30117 mini spool summer street stock pulled apart 10 bolt chevy rear end to replace bent axle. found the was about let go due excessive axle play. put new in and comapred with old both are 28 1 2 26 spline. problem is i have play on each when install spline blocks if futher pin still get 4 side . this appears be way too much shim. any ideas 
30122 shock rebuilds - recommendations todd anybody have suggestions on who to rebuild some shocks. they are nothing fancy just pro and carerra straight valved steel bodied i new ones order would like the old for spares. any idea cost thanks. 
30142 re shock rebuilds - recommendations richard 23 do an internet search for mike naake. he is in roseville caifornia 916-771-0109 
30143  of the day 2 97bubba my driver believes it is all up to him. thanks you for your responses. we have a couple tricks are going try on and course i will let know after tonite. big nite tonite stateline challenge lots out town cars. qualify in time or its last chance race do not want be there. lol dave 
30144 re shock rebuilds - recommendations todd thanks for the reply 
30145 qualifying update 97bubba thanks for all of the responses first off. we were better and are on right track. only 3 tenths off not 5-6 like before. its up to driver find other 3. can run laps that fast faster have he needs little extra. i didn't know if there things people did cars qualifying. knew about tape tire pressure ect. an open wheel car is out. lol. what tried worked out pretty well. now time last nite 14.710 15.052 in practice 14.852 14.771 14.730 laps. so somewhere how visualize or something. lol made race stayed hooligan started 13th finished 8th with alot good cars. 2nd our heat after starting 6th. it was a big show lots brought home tires pointed proper direction body panels still straight. by got front 7 gone checked half straight running them down but wouldn't had enough left go any further just rode neede caution 8 think would been top 5. listening read this board everday sometimes need bounce ideas around helps me think. dave 
30146 re qualifying update rich walling have you taken segment times on your car and compared it to the others if other guys are faster in turn can concentrate that aspect. they down straights is another factor consider. cheating then there really not much do. we qualify stickers rest use scuffs. been sucessful way don't want change but go. 
30147 re qualifying update 97bubba no i haven't segment timed it. my driver and have concluded that in he can not drive the car same as races when tires are cold needs to lift earlier use more throttle coming off or it shoves nose matter how we set up still buries corner. once warm bury deep wants sticks just on tires. what did last nite was lifted early used thru center off. said stll shoved a little but better. next time race will back down see. also go out for 2nd practice session. let cool completely reset pressures where were first practice. some reason need stickers an option 1 tire every other rule. say is seems be rocket couple of laps trailer. this verified by stopwatch. during with hot fast traffic times really reached anyone except maybe leader. if open come close dilemma. why do run so good racing those nose. figure works look out. lol all fun thank everyone esspecially john sounding board. bouncing ideas around learn you didn't something day wasted opinion. thanks again. dave p.s. must doing right 5th points only wasn't passed any in. 
30148 troubleshooting a setup issue jp john block hope you jump in on this one it's driving us crazy. here goes we're half way through our season and we have been running bbss from early going had problem getting the car to turn apex off driver reports it doesn't feel like push feels more want wash up track. well after many adjustment finally changing 1 2swaybar got turn. has racing almost 30 year says he never with kind of bite front end grip. is fantastic but 3 weeks ago dang back. went over everything shooks trail arms check springs camber toe ackerman stagger looked for binds etc. only thing could think was were much left rear tire not enough right so decide change 4 12 shock 5 7 see if that would loosen help needless say made things worse temp normally run between 140 max 160 week 200 now bottoming out more. started last checked rater they come fine. can as track surface hotter grip much. whole don't make any sense when bottom noticed than normal that's why changed let weight go seemed work except smoking still can't get off. doing little stiffer smaller swaybar. 
30149 re troubleshooting a setup issue jp sorry little more info driver says if he stays on gas as long can going in helps the car to turn. an let me tell you this goes like rocket hard and fast. 
30150 re qualifying update lucifer aka. lou dave i can tell your driver is improving when you said he's more aggressive on exit and smoother entrance. you're going in the right direction. another thing has to do with driving line. if asphalt he should drive about a half car width higher turn length later rotate into high early apex then come out lower harder. basically be go button aim toward start finish line hold on. wide entrance shallow exit. it's intensity feels like verge of slapping wall him still ain't pushing himself or hard enough push it eventually finds he'll know how far take it... all outside comfort zone don't slap occasionally fast enough. staging challenge this what did here just motor around track show filler run up front win races course we say task now think football players psyching themselves by banging helmets pads. get pissed off fired whatever takes send it. remember let anyone else talk distract while getting . not even good luck. luck pity disguise. they are really saying that need because aren't hear someone me myself my thanks but no loser random chance might make own destiny. recall putting luck's name didn't help sponsor pay bills work car... total attitude thing. i've qualified set times stickers at least peel decals before out. only works tire guy give consistently sized sets. much prefer scuffs from 6-8 lap practice session. after lot natural sizes tires plus gets mold release compound off. other things close. power problem careful attention jetting. one jet size for heats main. yes air does change depends weather particular day. also put fresh filter. usually 2-3 4x16 engine starts lay down bit less use kitty litter infield excursion... clean blow metering block back bleeds compressed jets. fuel routine includes burning stale during using races. each race calculate main couple gallons extra yellows extended laps. next event remove any surplus cell adding fresh. generator mixed some pump gas. as little days especially hotter climates. 
30151 re mini spool guest when we raced c clip rears a had local machine shop make some out of 4130 material. they last much longer than oem clips. also richmond makes for 7.5 gm that is twice the piece china black metal units are. 
30152 torque converter locking up matt my car idles fine in park or neutral. when i put it gear and stand on the brake stalls. have no vacuum leaks correct fluid level a properly tuned motor. looks like trans needs to come out eventually. is th-350 with stock converter. what do you guys think bad misaligned stator shaft malfunctioning clutch for now need live considering buddy rolled 6 times saturday night. lot of sheetmetal replace. thanks men. 
30153 re qualifying update matt lucifer your blend of psychology and technical experience is inspiring. i imagine am the guy from first scene in original mad max. it works great until you crash. 
30154 re mini spool matt 4130 c-clips excellent idea. 
30155 re troubleshooting a setup issue todd i notice you don't say anything about the amount of fuel in car. have been running exact same as before more for longer race etc reason ask...is front vs rear weight percentage is important...especailly witht bbss setup. has changed there we learned type setups require nose to make tires stick. just something else think about. 
30156 re qualifying update ted so i understand it you race good but not much in this is compared to the others correct one thing note lap times through race. does fall off if how compare do start faster end up slower couple things think about. what different with car track between qualify and get better as run goes maybe tires like higher pressures. try using 1 psi lower tire pressures cold than when come of hot . will only work for qualifying. see temps are on shocks. might be shocks a little softer they warm. fuel load same amout that typically tight decrease load. alone. about cup guys changes make vs trim. besides tape grill thin oil etc. always amazed me even at bristle new no where near during luck. 
30157 ellis mod dirtrunner modified this car has the mono-leaf coil spring in rear. does set-up work good thanks. 
30158 tires rick gokee what do you guy run for radial and pressures i goodyear regattas run44 rf 42 rr 25 lr lf the rear end has been wheelhopping on decell but tryed different shock spring was told tire pressure too high lowered 20 better guys think 3 8 asphalt 12 degrees banking heard sumotomos good rsa hard to find thanks rick. 
30159 re tires 97bubba when we ran radial what one of the guys i trusted told me to do and it worked well. take a crayon buy box or steal from your kids neighbor lol. really tire works well they don't melt in truck. mark couple lugs color all about 2-3 square down sidewall on leading edge inside left outside right half inch 1 sidewall. you know where want be racing on. set pressures out. if is gone not enough pressure even off tread too much pressure. just my opinion but still have sides rf. 36rf 26rr 14lf 18rr goodyear rsa gt+4 dave 
30160 re tires matt i saw an old timer use white shoe polish. never knew how to interpret the outcome of that test. 
30161 re tires 97bubba it works really well you want the crayon rubbed off at edge of tread. every tire is different. even exact same will a pound air or 2 when we changed would use in hotlaps to adjust. for track changes adjusted lr handling. up loosen down tighten. course had an open rear end where stagger didn't matter. that what worked us have alot adjustment options class. lol dave 
30162 re qualifying update 97bubba hi no the car doesn't fall off as much others. track tightens sun sets. i have tires pumped up. it is an open wheel modified so alot of tape would be needed. lol. my driver and believe up to him he needs adjust his style for qualifying. did just that this last sat. result was better. on second lap forgot buried in 1 shoved nose a little. still better than previous few weeks. wouldn't worry about but hurting us with starting position. unless we get favorable roll dice end behind invert pass all cars out qualified us. by time work first 4-5 front pack however many are checked not enough laps left. only way going where need qualify into dash sure 5 rows at least. trying stack dect speak if start should can win our share races. fast qualifier well you see odds stacked against lol dave p.s. besides shoud weekly car. proud owner builder talking comes from competitors. sandbagging has been thrown there although got once. 
30163 nova leaf springs leeboy i want to change my since they are 7 years old...3250 lb on a paved 1 2 mile oval.... what rates should buy dont know whats in there now. 
30164 re nova leaf springs swaybar 225 200 landrums. you may have to play around with which side they should go on find what the car likes best. 
30165 drive shaft length dennis smith hey every-one its probably been posted before but i cant find it so bottom out the then when hook up to rear comes 1 2 inchs. is this ok asphalt mod solid 3rd link standard 5 inch yoke 3 speed saginaw ford 9 read that target will have get a custom shaft. money her issue not mine lol thanks guys 
30166 re drive shaft length dirtrunner in my 3-link on dirt mine was 1 2-2 inchs out of trans. 
30167 2 inch offset rim john currently have 3 offsets on the front and 4's rear in my street stock...crew chief wants me to put a left front....he says it will help middle of turn not sure..what do u guys think car works great now....track width is even back... 
30168 re drive shaft length dennis smith thanks dirt i guess and hope that it will be ok cause on think moves a lot more than asphalt 
30169 re 2 inch offset rim dirtrunner yes tighter 
30170 ackerman jim i had my good but to replace right spindle. stock front end only. believe bent the tie rod arm on spindle in towards center dont remember. now am toeing with wheels turned. 
30182 re 2 inch offset rim deaner74 changing the offsets will locate front roll center. 
30183 re 2 inch offset rim john he just wants me to change the lf a from 3....says it will help make turn better in middle.....is that true 
30184 re 2 inch offset rim dirtrunner yes it will tighten the front 
30185 re torque converter locking up burt brown if the is not hooked i don't see how it's stalling engine stator think so. could watch you take off or were to drive it tell you. hard say without being there. 
30186 metric sway bar devon i have read that an 82 up third gen camaro firebird front will fit a g body car and heard s-10 s-15 truck also fit. need to know if this is true 
30187 re metric sway bar rich walling i used the camaro one my 95 mid am gran prix. it was solid but think some of z's a hollow one. 
30188 re troubleshooting a setup issue jp bud you don't know how right are. we found our problem had very big miscommunication on ride heights owner wanted us to switch back traditional but myself and the driver started from scratch this pulled all paper work out computer checking dam half hour later were screwed up. i normal do homework for car then hand it off guys who go track. well somewhere along line there was mis communication left side down 3 4 rear 5 8 front 1 man did through everything of wack. now why tried change no effect car. boo live learn 
30192 re ackerman rcj i always measure the spindle arms because as you have found it effects and bumpsteer also.on a camaro can use 6 calipers to arm. 
30193 re 2 inch offset rim 34 it wheel decrease your lf rate..making the car think has a softer spring. 
30194 re torque converter locking up matt burt thanks for writing anyway. my buddy wrecked the car really badly its on youtube. we need to pull motor so i may stick another trans in there and see what happens. don't think it is a problem like misadjusted float or something. 
30195 modifying a th-350 matt does anyone have any ideas about setting up trans for circle track without using aftermarket parts i that was built street rodding and it has shift kit. know if put in stock pressure regulator spring will lower the line help my horsepower pump is not working so hard. are there tranny mechanics out 
30196 re ackerman ted generally speaking the farther out arm is at front or closer rear for stee more ackerman. so if you bend in toward centerline will be reduced and may actually go to reverse 
30197 re modifying a th-350 burt brown racing transmissions the filter will not let me post. even though i didn't write naughty langage 
30198 re torque converter locking up 97bubba if all that stuff has not been checked after it rolled yes could be a misadjusted float timing heck almost anything. think about the kenetic energy needed to make car roll and then what is absorbed by everything else in vehicle. just racing our for 30 laps will change toe track pretty bumpy. check see rear end straight. i would something binding up. drag years ago only thing was salvageable short block scattershiels. cracked both heads broke tunnel ram off trans case bent tubes on rearend destroyed body. lol expensive even 1979. dave 
30199 first night in fwd kenneth wow what a difference. off i had blast most fun since except for feature win. these cars are way different everything they do. someohow or another drew 1 so pole my very race. asked to redraw but it was either go the rear stay stayed. as soon we came out of corner on lap got turned back and forth about 5 times. beat crap me. bent frontend over 3 inches. didn't let rattle me though hammered it. ended up getting couple spots finished 7th 8th 11 car field. when initial slaughter went linkage know couldn't shift 1rst killed straights. next time i'll be able upshift we'll see how does then. always advice is welcome. 
30200 re ackerman 00joe what is your toe set at with the wheels straight which wheel are you toeing from and one straight. this grampa jim pro-c waterford 
30201 re modifying a th-350 burt brown racing transmissions i e-mailed my oppinion to you. 
30202 re modifying a th-350 matt burt thanks for your link that is just the kind of help i need. have great book called turbo-hydramatic 350 handbook by ron sessions. he covers trans well but says little about circle track racing. his modification chapter heavily biased to drag racing like much automotive world. 
30203 re torque converter locking up matt 97 i have not tried starting the motor since wreck. had to take badly damaged bumper and radiator out. right side of clip is bent in up. when you look at it off its axis by a degree or two. do any thoughts on pulling after wreck like this will go back with solid mounts 
30204 re first night in fwd 00joe as far i know all the adjustmenst are oppos ite of a rwd. 
30205 re troubleshooting a setup issue alan hey fellows i could use little info on front weight what do you 
30206 re troubleshooting a setup issue todd when we were running true traditional ran as much rear weight could get...around 51 or more 49 front . keep moving to this soft springs big right spring deal and have learned our car likes weight...like around 51.5 weight. i guess it just plants the tires helps turn. was always under belief that you pushes but doesn't seem be case with springs. 
30207 fuel pump richard miller sr. how mutch does a use in hp 
30208 re fuel pump matt it is just one slight eccentric lobe on the cam i can't imagine uses more than a fraction of 1 horsepower. maybe am wrong and some other guys know better. 
30209 re first night in fwd matt i have seen some really well built four cylinders. the best was a del sol called slo. 
30210 re ackerman jim its me joe. i set my toe on the left side. right sides lined up 
30211 re first night in fwd paul raced against a big torando for season could not beat the guy until we figured how to move him out of way so keep everybody away right behind your front wheels that's weak point 
30220 update info j block greetings gene is too funny about me being layed up after the surgery. truth just really slow here in office so i'm using this chance to get auto-ware web pages caught up. check reference section for beckman stuff it way out there also on main page you will find running a super 7day sale. don't miss these screaming good deals and i would appreciate if passed word others like said office. finally wednesday 22nd we run front suspension webinar sign before late. jb ps working new websession focused why roll center technology total bunk. cover lightly class but whole hour c rap be fun. 
30221 re troubleshooting a setup issue alan i think more front weight is helpful on flater tracks. what's your thought 
30223 re ackerman 00joe what is your toe set at when the wheel straight and how much are you toed in turned 
30224 tough decision matt gentlemen on july 4 my buddy wrecked the car badly. we are arguing about whether it needs to be reclipped. neither of us thinks this will necessary but have brought in several body guys with knowledge frame straightening who trying advance plan for a new clip. is an 81 camaro which runs pure stock division. migwelded cage made 1 3 0.95 1010. i know nobody can physically examine person unless you live connecticut . question how determination that clip too far gone me does not look bad first big wreck as racer. difficult moment well imagine. easy appreciate any insight everyone here has been through at least once. thanks 
30225 re tough decision jracer98 i'm not a better lawyer than my lawyer....but i can elect to ignore his advice. accountant accountant...but her why would you their advice if don't trust them then drag it another chassis shop and get second opinion. chase bent race car around the bush trying work. just because clipping is bad news doesn't make incorrect news. be smartass show different perspective. good luck. jay 
30226 re tough decision 00joe if its bent bent. sometimes just easier and better to clip the thing. where in connecticut are you i live ct. 
30227 re metric sway bar 00joe z's and firebirds use the hollow one. you can tell its one because at ends they have lines just before eyelets goin around a small hole drilled in them see are 1 2 not 4 diameter 
30228 re tough decision dan riley jay.....very well said........dan ps you wanna be my lawyer lol 
30229 re tough decision 97bubba for what it is worth steel has sort of a memory when creased. if you just bend back into place will over time go some not all but back. this comes from years experience working with steel. the best repairs that seem to work longest cut and plate. these last permanent repair stub it. wayyou start fresh everything where should be. i have done few both ways. always ended up stubing repaired one next winter anyway. dave 
30230 re tough decision burt brown racing transmissions you should see all the transmission experts that come to my shop 
30231 re metric sway bar devon thanks i believe they're 33 or 34mm 1 3 8 they also come smaller. was just wondering if would fit a metric. there are some big s-10 bars that assume will car because the same frame. think is this secret millions of framed stock cars out and only 2 responses 
30232 re metric sway bar tony554 yes i think they will fit have one off a 83 firebird that is bigger in diameter. there couple of different bends it but looks like bolt on and work. drop when get chance. 
30233 re tough decision matt to all thanks for your ideas on how proceed with a bent subframe. i consider everything read here because understand that this site probably represents few thousand years of experience and only fool would ignore it. want have safe car am proud if it is fast great not whatever. tonight racer friend coming over look at the car. in redding ct near danbury. 
30234 re tough decision matt jay i appreciate your candor. if am not ready to hear unpleasant news then should have a race car right thanks again 
30235 re tough decision matt bubba we may end up doing just that. thanks 
30236 re tough decision 34 my memory isnt so good lately...but the 81 camaros older style with a front frame clip and leaf rear .. i.e. not newer uni-body type camaro's ...if it is..the news is...it is easiest car to replace on ...as matter of fact...it's easy ..you could probably do yourselves ...take sawzall...cut roll bars off as close you can ...then unbolt ...poof ...reverse process put new one ...it's self aligning unless have bent undercarriage somehow ..and i doubt that considering your even sure ....the way see if end x tie-rod center opposing inner pivot point steering box etc. or ...maybe ya just need horn s luck 
30237 re metric sway bar 00joe i run the firebird camaro one on my chassis s-10 fits too also 2wd control arms are same as well 
30238 re tough decision jracer98 exactly so. my dad would say if you can't stand wreckin' them then don't race 'em. there is a thing called car show..... 
30239 re tough decision lucifer aka. lou ok it sounds like the car is salvageable. you'll need to string see if suspension mounting points are moved. me mounts have moved that means bent. within 1 16 8 symmetrical then go ahead and run it's more out of whack time think about corrective action. consider pivot steering box in right spot really doesn't matter what frame horns looks like. simple straightening a normal thing. upper a-arm or rear lower get bumped around pretty easily but just as easy bend back slice off weld on replacement. i've even had pushed inward shimmed so was spot. know any different. all tires care they're pointing direction at time. so... when they say your bent... how much localized can be pulled into place hold up cut replaced remember look hell still stink. worst case re-stub it. listen telling you wants... 
30240 re metric sway bar devon thanks guys. gonna phone you right now tony. 
30242 re tough decision matt 34 and others last night we pulled the motor after stringing car taking a battery of measurements. do not need to replace front clip. hard part reclipping invvolves getting another liberating that right side horn bent in little at spring bucket. have plan use buddy's excavator some chain coax back. i know this will cause gasps but don't any more money than next racer so as long is still safe which think it run it. one bad wreck however require reclipping. 
30243 re tough decision matt i don't like bodywork. the movie road warrior made such a huge impression on me as kid that still feel its effects. 
30244 re tough decision matt lucifer we landed right at 1 8 so are going to muscle the horn back some version of normal. thanks dude. 
30246 re tough decision 97bubba if it is just the front horn then you can get away with doing excavator thing. we used a crane from scrap yard my buddy works there so whatever works. lol anyway like 34 said measure idler to pitman steering bow in an x or cross patern grease zerk and center of box shaft zerk. measurements are within 1 4 will be ok. safe reliable car where everyone should start fast faster part easier obtain good starting point. dave 
30247 re tough decision lucifer aka. lou double check the rear lower a-arm mount because they bend if you so much as sneeze on em. can run a straight 1 2 rod through both front and mounts then it's straight. 
30256 re hot or cold lucifer aka. lou you can use a torch to heat and shrink stretched metal pull it back into shape. shrinking helps keep in place after bending position. quarter half dollar sized cherry red spot on the side want toward quench with sopping wet rag while is still glowing. do this repeatedly as needed circular motion work large area. technique makes steam spits water so be prepared. you'll surprised at how much around way... like anything takes practice. 
30257 re hot or cold matt well lou as usual you have come along with some huge advice. people pay money for this kind of knowledge. thanks 
30258 re hot or cold matt bubba i wanted to remove the bar but met resistance from other guys. appreciate your response. both you and lou advocate heating after bending. plan is coming into place. are probably right it won't be hard hope. 
30259 re what lou's got cookin' matt lou that is way too much horsepower for a wimp like me. 
30260 re what lou's got cookin' j block a lot of horsepower is good thing. too much just right who blipped the throttle 
30261 front suspension class j block don't forget that wednesday 22nd is the next a-arm webinar and only 14.95 so do miss this one. call 800 647-2392 ext 201 or email me autoware aol.com to sign up get your password. 
30262 re hot or cold 97bubba dive right in whats the worst that can happen you can't race it like is if really screw up well still it. lol dave just a little perspective 
30263 re hot or cold dirtrunner just remember pull it out the same direction was pushed in. if you can. 
30264 re hot or cold lucifer aka. lou i'll add it to your account... lol 
30265 re hot or cold lucifer aka. lou pull it out in reverse order. last thing bent first pulled out... also if you squashed the control arms leave parts place and on them first. helps to mounting points gives something grab onto wrap a chain around. 
30266 re what lou's got cookin' lucifer aka. lou goofball dyno operator in the control room thought he'd be a comedian. funny now but not so when we were danger close to engine and checking for fuel leaks. just prior this had shut it down because of large alcohol leak from distribution block on intake manifold. 
30267 re hot or cold matt 97 we definitely will try and fix it one way the other. more look at less serious problem gets. like i said all measurements looked alright. just want to tap into everyone's metalworking knowledge so can get close right. know does not need be perfect. comments from lou about suspension binding do give me something else consider. 
30268 re hot or cold matt lou the control arms look ok and unbelievably all steering linkage survived. i had to jack car up on trailer put different tires then steered off while some guys pulled a rope tied axle it worked fine. have not inspected every component individually only mean describe that nothing broke. thanks again is tough huge wreck this early in your racing career. it's rite of passage right know you will unique philosophical perspective one. 
30272 7pm central j block for some reason i can not respond to your message. no matter what try the naughty filter gets it even blank 
30128 re mini spool matt dirt or paved 
30131 re mini spool summer street stock paved 
30132 re mini spool matt i would think a paved track will beat up rear faster than dirt but maybe am wrong. having hard time visualizing the problem. have 8.5 10 bolt with also. had to bang one of c-clips in hammer get it fit. very little end play axle installed. thing can say is that lot these mail order places like speedway and capital buy parts from china. not saying good or bad quality consistent. chinese felt when was working it. you right 
30133 re mini spool summer street stock yeah i have the c-clips done a little more reaearch ie google and found that on 7 1 2 chev 10 bolt it does need shiming or other alterations. trying to find out what type of shims where can get them any tricks me racing this weekend. read somewhere you could use diff side but they are not even close size round spline blocks. 
30134 re mini spool 97bubba we always used the side gear machine washers that came with spider gears. i have never needed more than 3 try swithching blocks from to side. dave 
30135 re mini spool dan riley something to consider. the axles slip into side gears and get c clipped in. then pin keeps them locked together. this makes rear one long rotating shaft with a differential gear in it.  as you adjust ring play backlash on pinion by moving it or other shims actually move from well. i'm thinking if axle binds some way wouldn't go all gearset like should especially is biased opposite right. just an observation..........dan 
30136 re mini spool matt i think dan is on to something with the diff question. did carrier ever come out at any point during racing life of rear 
30137 re mini spool summer street stock actually yes it did changed gears from 3 23 to 08 so i had also change the carrier. 
30139 re mini spool summer street stock got it fiquired. i was able to shim enough and still get c clips in. thanks for you help guy's. 
30248 re tough decision devon i'm surprised this never came up but quite often if you don't have the resources to do it yourself purchasing a used roller is cheaper than reclipping bent chassis. i very recomend customers look for chassis especially in lower levels before spending cash reclipping. and talk myself out of work. 
30249 re ellis mod devon not the best. if your gonna run leafs in thing was stacked leaf on left floated mono right. look for scot may he is a genius with leafs. 
30250 re tough decision 22racing hi matt i usually read all the new posts on this site every time log in and have followed a few of your lines questions comments as you are learning looks like decent progression so far huh been position more times than to think about now late model reclipping tends be quickest easiest option. back street stock days oak front yard hoe were closest thing jig had criss-cross measurement deal pitman idlers is way go just don't forget that bend horn it will relax little let pressure off. find most likely past straight slightly said settle perfect. heat never seemed hurt us either help stop flexing much. my chevelle unfortunately repair well couple horns before learned look hood pins lol p.s. make sure save case beer for helpers until done yes hard too 
30251 what lou's got cookin' lucifer aka. lou thought you guys might get a kick out of this... haven't been doing much circle racing this year mostly helping others. is an alcohol fuel injected engine we had on the dyno today getting it ready for friends land speed car bonneville. hope enjoy  go to tube uuebsite and add after dot com. watch v woyu_tdq-mk or search title start up 650+hp 
30252 hot or cold matt you guys have all offered invaluable advice at difficult time. the tough decision is made we are bending back frame. 22racing suggests using heat. my friend wants to pull a killer setup of tanks with multiple heating tips so can heat properly if it indicated. technique pulling hair past baseline and letting settle sounds very good. i front rail which runs from window post lands on subframe. has several struts welded between subframe midspan. would anyone leave for point remove not fighting whole cage during this low dollar adventure bent pretty bad in wreck intend replace before racing again. 
30253 re tough decision matt devon a used car is very good idea. unfortunately we are not really racers guys who like to work on cars and make things out of metal. almost always do it the hard way for experience learning. you wrong about how get back racing quickest i appreciate your thoughts. 
30254 re tough decision matt 22 for me racing is about learning how to tackle a problem and jump some technical hurdle. i am not professional mechanic or welder my friends just do this have fun stay out of trouble. very competitive person. 
30255 re hot or cold 97bubba heat will reduce the memory thing i talked about but it also shrink when cools. this could result in not being where you want cold. bending and then relaxing metal with a little has always worked best for me these situations. removing all bars attached to horn make easier bend put bay bar back on new one that keep place better. reduces amout of trying return crease so speak. good luck find out is as hard looks now. dave 
30284 re hot or cold lucifer aka. lou far better it is to dare mighty things win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure than rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows victory defeat. theodore roosevelt 1858 - 1919 
30285 re hot or cold matt lou i hope am speaking for other war participants in addition to myself you never disappoint. 
30286 re hot or cold 44dwarf wrecks are going to happen in this business that's just a risk of the sport. if you can't keep from worrying about it then you're wrong line work. -coo coo marlin will never know feeling driver when winning race. helmet hides feelings that cannot be understood. -ayrton senna nope wasn't helping me one bit and i didn't want loose any teeth on drove into wall so got rid it. an old time northeast modified racer asked after crash steering wheel broke off his ill handling race car comes flying out window before impact last but not least. achieve anything game must prepared dabbled boundary disaster. stirling moss 
30287 u joint problem john ford 9 inch in metric chassis...6 degrees pinion angle driveshaft is running on a because of offset pumpkin rearend..having to replace the rear every 4 nights..already went through 2..havent had front one at all....whats problem..pinion or driveshaft..i was told it shouldnt matter. any help appreciated.. 
30288 re u joint problem dirtrunner is the driveshaft bent or out of balance how much offset it 
30289 soft rear upper control arm bushings beware dan hersey if anyone was wondering how the work they don't it biggest waste of time and money i've ever spent on my car. after 2 nights are completely hammered out need replacing. your money. here has had better luck please let me know thanks 
30290 re u joint problem john it is not bent but...had a machine shop shorten for me....never did get balanced...would that be the offset couple of inches probably 
30291 re u joint problem dirtrunner get it balanced.i know some one who went through 2 powerglide cases before he found out that the driveshaft was never balanced after fixed. go look at this enter harris car chassis cam on utube. 
30292 just wanted to say thanks for data acquistion todd i have admit wasn't really positive purchasing a acquisition system was the best way spend my hard earned dollars when shelled out money john datamite ii setup. had already gone through webinars and learned alot but still little nervous gave him credit card number. well is worth more amazed at things could see in software. about what car doing that would no of knowing without data. chassis plane information alone taught me one session than testing full season it. our has from running mid rear pack times top five. along with fantastic support it's weight gold again john. 
30293 re u joint problem redstormracer balance it and use spicer joints. 
30294 re u joint problem gene what is going bad all 4 cups or 2 maybe you tighten the cup bolts too much are not setting as they should be. trans output shaft bent pig input bent. when a drive lets go gotta check every thing. never less be balanced and straight. but double for some other problem. 
30295 3 link sunex25 what effect does moving the upper to right or left on rear end housing have a set up. i run sportsman car banked 8 mile paved track. thanks in advance 
30296 re 3 link 44dwarf the wheel closer to upper gets more planting force applied but it also afects other things like rear steer. afco used have a tech section with good long post on this. not sure if it's still up or not. 44 
30307 bent axle tube matt i my left axle. how do you check for a corresponding 
30308 re bent axle tube 44dwarf find your self 2 cheapo 6ft levels. think ocean state job lot or harbor freight next take both out of the housing. clamp center levels to tubes so they go front back. now measure between edges and back if there same great turn 90 deg do again you want less then a 1 16th at least that what i shoot for. figuring wich is slighly harder... as recall have rear loading gm unit. pull dif cover carpenders square. clean housing place square on flange run tape straight edge level make two measurements one close tip use sraight bar with metal bushings clamps in diff caps another set steel slide down wheel bearing holes. bushing don't it tube. up see air spot inline space heat quarter sized cherry red hit ice cold water keep wet rag untill cool repeat need just move over few inches. 44 
30312 re 3 link 34 yup..what 44 dwarf says...it basicaly adds more torque to the wheel its closer to.. 
30313 re soft rear upper control arm bushings beware 34 dan were these after market ..stock 4 link people have been using the stock rubber and even drilling holes in them to make softer for years with no problems 
30314 re u joint problem 34 ford and gm joints are different sizes...i would say its the combination of everything mentioned...the smaller in larger pinion ..when tighten them up will pinch it...then not only do add stress both verticle but horizontal 
30315 re u joint problem john im using the same that my metric rear end was...it fits larger ford yoke....should i be a diff 
30316 re u joint problem dan riley they make crossover u-joints. maybe someone on the board will remember where to get them. if memory serves these days it does what wants napa had you have all spec's of each and can look-up a combo for you.... i replacement drive shaft made my hauler 3 4 ton suburban 10 years ago. shop did was front ends shafts. reduced size outside diamater which according their data sheets fine. read graph wrong didn't feel any vibration at until let loose interstate. took out trans case cross member rear exhaust system beat heck floor. won in court but point is never felt thing till too late. thought grenade went off under truck 70mph. start first base don't assume anything. balanced best luck you.......dan 
30317 re bent axle tube dan riley i use the same set-up to weld in new tubes. have a lathe so it wasn't too hard make discs. they look sort of like metal hocky pucks with 1 holes middle. straight round bar 80 long. bolt center two into diff caps and torque em up. then slide housing through other discs onto up ends slip area machined for axle's outer bearings. you can tubes place them holding straight. if you're checking this you'll find right away as post said. whole thing doesn't cost much make. any good machine shop give an race from carrier side bearings bearing measure. get rod match business less than 150.00 or friend who's lathe..........good luck.......dan 
30318 re bent axle tube rick gokee toe plates across rear wheels will do it 
30319 re modifying a th-350 rick gokee has anyone heard of removing 2nd gear on t350 to lighten rotating mass must have some sort dummy drum replace 
30320 re bent axle tube lucifer aka. lou i take housings to a local race shop where they use lathe check the tubes for straightness just like checking drive shaft. heat and press shrink get it back into shape. i've taken hits broken axles at flange with no damage housing but that's usually car contact. if you tried relocate wall your chances are greater is bent. looks straight eye don't see any cracking paint or obvious metal movement can do quick by putting in good axle. bolt up couple of wheels rotate while carefully watching toe camber change tires. there tight spots doesn't want turn there's problem. only small amount pull shape shrinking along affected side. remember pulls toward heated quelched need replacement flanged moser. 
30321 re bent axle tube matt lou after spending an entire saturday climbing around the car taking measurements and positioning excavators i see that is probably ok. think it just end of where flares out to flange. a mechanic respect who has background in cirle track racing heavily recommends c-clip eliminators on gm rears. have yet free itself from rear but know if can happen anywhere will race track. thoughts 
30322 re bent axle tube matt ocean state job lot you must live in either eastern ct or ri. the technique describe is excellent. 
30323 re bent axle tube matt dan we are going to try putting in a good i think the is ok. 
30324 re bent axle tube matt 34 i should just pretend am setting up my front end. 
30325 re bent axle tube matt roger 
30326 re modifying a th-350 matt rick the most consistent piece of advice i hear is to install manual valve body. have also been told that you can run lighter non lockup converter with smaller diameter flexplate take weight off back crank. big question how do tell difference between and by physical exam. burt brown our resident trans authority he may know. 
30327 re bent axle tube 34 yup ..if ya trust your toe plates or tremel bar to set up front end..why not rear also .. if you had a axel it would be pretty obvious. good luck 
30328 qualifying update 3 97bubba in the dash last nite 4th 5th and 6th all ran same lap. since we were 2nd to do it got 5th. still off a little but due of your suggestions have figured out kinda lol. he has changed alot his driving style for some more adjustments make you right was up him. how track is pump tire its thanks again knew that sometime just need reassurance are on lol dave 
30329 re bent axle tube 44dwarf north central ma. i know your ny but keep the car in danbury so... ocen states there. tony 
30330 re bent axle tube lucifer aka. lou that's pretty common. the stock axles are undercut on flange in worst spot possible. you're lucky if they take one good hit. make sure to magnaflux any that area before use. after minor contact by another car i had a fracture there resulting camaro rodeo and my tire passing me outside... now use moser axles. never problem with c-clips mini spool even 9 slicks. 
30331 re 3 link rich walling i'm trying to convince my driver move the third one inch left. right now we are flying on entry and through middle just a touch loose from out. i experimented with john's rear suspension geometry steer is not affected very much if at all. question will it help that heat up left tire which coolest 
30332 re 3 link 44dwarf not sure you'd notice 1 inch but its easy enough to try. just get two longer bolts and old hiem joint keep the brackets spaced asnd put on other side of brackets. try it for a practice see. 44 
30333 re 3 link rich walling we could put both spacers on the right and then it would be 2 to left. car is just a touch loose. lower panhard bar but i don't want screw up entry middle. had an idea that maybe do upper over one inch p-bar about 1 4 . 
30334 re bent axle tube matt lou i will crunch some numbers to determine which is cheaper magnafluxing or moser. did not see rushing into a big c-clip eliminator project but thought would get another opinion. the guy who recommends them highly ran on paved track. one reason dirt makes more sense with oem technology that you can away and go race after same tires. once past headaches it actually fun torture car parts. 
30335 re bent axle tube 44dwarf here's a link to an article i wrote while back. dwarfcarracing.com articles how-to-manufacture-a-rear-axle-housing-for-a-dwarf-car-modlite-race-car need take some better picture but i've not made new housing in year or so for anyone. few fix it cause no from scatch. 
30336 re bent axle tube 44dwarf add h tt p or just google how to mfg a dwarf car rear 
30337 re bent axle tube matt 44 i read the article. you describe some useful tips for replacing a bad tube. have to admit that my guys and would probably not take it on at this point instead we simply wimp out replace whole rear. just learning how set up rear end gears was stressful enough before knew about site. thanks 
30338 re bent axle tube matt 44 i was all over that rust removal link in your article. 
30345 re just wanted to say thanks for data acquistion dirtrunner also what was it causing the car do 
30346 re bent axle tube lucifer aka. lou it's been a while but last axles i got out of moser were like 325 for pair shipped... magnafluxing is cheaper the stock are weak even if you have good one. 
30347 re 3 link lucifer aka. lou yes do it... an inch is a good change and what he can feel. tell your driver to switch decaf it's like adjusting stagger. 
30348 re just wanted to say thanks for data acquistion todd the car was always tight. it would be decent a couple of laps then get old tight loose middle off. our track is pretty much bull ring. you are almost turning wheel. because over on rights we realized this after looking at went changed springs and shocks dramatically make turn in middle. so that think spin out. what accomplished..it allowed me let instead forcing now i actually have wheel back right when most others holding left all way around track. allows put where want coming off corner being along ride. 
30349 the computerized chassis weight progam helped too todd just to give you and idea of changes... we knew had make thing turn. data made us realize how badly car was rolling over onto right side fromt middle on that put numbers in weights program reduce front transfer number by a huge amount. rate reduced increased rear putting split spring bigger rr . then played with cross percentage bring it back be able drive off. now have such screw ball car. i would never done without seeing playing program. makes me keep wanting change more stuff...and don't see any reason why shouldn't. 
30350 re the computerized chassis weight progam helped todd oh by way rr spring change was almost 400 's of rate. 
30351 re stupid question of the day racer_dave yes 
30352 re the computerized chassis weight progam helped j block an important thing for everybody to realize is that all tracks are different and what works at one a wreck on another. why data such powerfull tool you can see your car with its setup doing track every foot around track. if enough of have interest i will put together free online demo types things system. jb 
30353 re the computerized chassis weight progam helped dirtrunner that's great todd keep us informed on how your doing. it would be nice to see before and after file in ccw. 
30362 akerman steering ed i have a asphalt modied 2004 lefthander. my akermanan is reverse with stock new not bent spindles. use laser level from craftsman one on each rotor to get stating point. at distance of 36 inches forward side gain 3 4 an inch the right tried other spindles when turn 10 left. does anything affect than balljoint center tie rod end location don't know what causing this any help would be appiceated 
30363 re mertic chassis w stock 4 link dave how much stagger do u run when i ran 2.5in of 57cr now around 1in im running 52.5 what size track banking 
30364 re mertic chassis w stock 4 link jim with zero stagger in my open rear 56-57 is the ballpark 
30365 re moroso expansion tank lucifer aka. lou yes the radiator does not have any cap on that type of system. there is a small bleed hose 5 16 from top hot side back to tank. large suction waterpump. 
30366 re akerman steering 44dwarf if you use a rack an pinon it can be adjusted easly by moving the front to back. with steer car you'll normaly find that setting 3 4 1 2 behind outer tie rods will provide some inside wheel. have pitman and idler arms done but loads more work... 
30367 re mertic chassis w stock 4 link 44dwarf i normaly run about 52-54 cross with 53 left weight and 52 rear 1 2-3 stagger. sidewall to side wall car width is 60 inches 73 inch wheelbase 1240 min i'm 1280lbs theres nothing move infact i've got 15 lbs of lead in it make handle. 44 
30368 re moroso expansion tank 44dwarf yes nothing worse then a radiator full of boiling water to steam flashing over. 
30369 re mertic chassis w stock 4 link glan the amount of cross required is directly related to rear weight . more balance. 
30370 re moroso expansion tank guest be careful running any cap on rad in that type system. i've seen cap's suck air and pressurize the whole cooling system slowly resulting gap keeping water from rad. keep your at highest point of which should tank. thats why they sell rad's with no provision for cap. 
30371 re bent axle tube matt lou i will probably just buy a stock replacement from jeg's. when the next wreck occurs you can tell me told so. thanks 
30372 re moroso expansion tank jracer98 agree...i don't like the idea of two radiator caps. one on will be below waterline . that's just a potential problem with no real upside. jay 
30380 re third link torque arm jp i'll tell you want it reminds me of torsion bars. 
30381 re akerman steering richard23 you slot the tie rod hole in left spindle so that wheel will turn more not less. 
30382 re third link torque arm lm15 i'm really confused as to what you're describing. your 2nd post sounds like a lift bar... but not sure how pull bar could resemble torsion in any way. please help us out jp is it anything this lefthanderchassis.com 55.html 
30383 re bent axle tube lucifer aka. lou just note i said camaro rodeo for a reason... ask some of the other guys about their experiences with broken axles. 
30384 re third link torque arm swaybar sounds like the arms i've seen on dirt late models. they run roughly parallel to ground look a ladder bar sort-of and usually have chain shock spring combo at end where attach chassis almost in middle of car. are much different than typical top 3-link system. is for rebound travel. compression travel due rear wrap-up. beyond that i no idea how tune them. lol 
30385 re bent axle tube matt for some reason loose axles hardly ever occur where i race. have yet to see it. it is interesting that you not had problems with c-clips. seen either but people swear by c-clip eliminators on gm rears. 
30388 re third link torque arm dirtrunner swaybar---what you are describing is a fifth coil ladder bar with spring on the end. it replaces pull bar. 
30389 broken axles kenneth i'm kinda amazed too. we have tons of at the several different track si go to. when i had big cars metrics would use bop rear becasue it bolt ins so even if axle broke stayed in car. 
30390 re akerman steering ed yes you are right the left will turn more not less thanks for all who helped. 
30391 re broken axles matt i think that less banking causes the right side axle to try and push out exert force on c-clip. will exit tube like an arrow when c-clip finally fails. have not seen it but obviously happens somewhere. envisioned lou's camaro rodeo is one of those things looks great if you are a fan don't own car. 
30393 re broken axles kenneth here in texas it seems that stock car racing is a contact sport. most failures occur right after getting tagged the wheel or bumping wall. may be lap later but happens all same. thats why i like bop rears because even if axle breaks stays car. you usually notice away will spin on next corner due to one side pulling more than other. 
30394 re lost my cool hogracer3d does the water pump run off of smooth side belt if so i would be concerned about slipping on ungrooved pulley at high rpm. look going back to a conventional v-belt or serp that ran micro-v side. but means changing and fan regular rotation. quite possible do with used parts jmo 
30395 re broken axles matt tell me about how a bop rear is put together. could i get one of them into gen 2 camaro 
30396 rims matt what is an acceptable runout for a rim kind of runouts will produce handling symptoms as i put my car back together would like to have some numbers work with before start scouring the countryside in search may not need how necessary are innner tubes low tire pressure people run without them do they prevent bead break if someone tags wheel 
30397 re rims kenneth no comments at all about runout if it was somewhat true i used it. have run as low 12 pounds without a tube but that because didn't one in my spare. i'd say the limit is around 16 esp on right front. raced stock class and beadlocks were allowed. would use welder to build up area not bead. just kinda drag stick along factory bead put scatter marks. this makes much harder break down does help track too. 
30398 re broken axles kenneth they come in two ring gear sizes 8.5 and 8.625 i believe. know that you can use the gears as an entire assembly larger housing but not sure about other way around. its identical to a regular rear except bolt just like ford 8 or 9 inch. for 2nd gen camaro it shouldn't be too hard couple of spring perches weld on right you'd find this 73-77 cutlass grand prix etc. been while so can't thing anything would show was without pulling cover. 
30407 powerglide racingtheworlds hey burt i have a tci thats been gone thru by couple of different shop and continues to blowby out the vent tube. never is consistant. for instance ran one short pratice had no problem went qual spit about quart all over track. changed oil put catch can very little in ca after 75 laps. anyone any thoughts this. thanks racing worlds 
30409 re powerglide burt brown racing transmissions when your using a powerdlide for circle track doing left turns the geforce and slinging of fluid inside case being on right at top will leak fluid. i was would plug vent 1 8 threaded pipe relocate side tail housing about 1-1 2 off center 3 4 away from head bolt. 
30410 re qualifying update 4 thanks 97bubba yea really pleased. that was with tires had 2 race nites on the rear and 5 front. we will see how good it is new back 3 week old always put move to car races best way. tire rule one every other nite don't lack bite off if do this tried rt sides left driver like better rears. dave 
30411 re qualifying update 4 thanks lm15 glad to hear you're is improving tracks up here allow 1 tire per night. a few years ago when we were on really nice goodyear i'd put new fronts every 2 weeks and rotate the back. last couple hoosier 3035 3045 tires. rights seemed be everything. but with split compound couldn't right left. now we're f45 can't get any forward bite it. sooo rears forwards. kinda funny how it's changed 
30412 re qualifying update 4 thanks 97bubba yea we are on the hoosier 890 rock . not alot of difference until 5th or 6th nite with these. i probably could go all year same left front modified its just along for ride anyway. lol dave 
30413 overheating dennis smith hey guys new rules said change intake to edelbrock 2701 so i did and upgraded a stewart stage 2 water pump just fired it up went 200 in like 20 minutes my old stock could idle for lot longer bled the air with valves on block thermostat housing but no luck have 3 4 inch restricter am missing some thing or has anybody ran across this problem dont want let past 190. thanks any help would be great 
30414 re qualifying update 4 thanks alan hey fellows can you soak your tires if so make them more competive. i have a formular that works really good. 
30415 re overheating alan check to make sure that the flues have not expanded and won't let air pass though. good luck. 
30416 re overheating dennis smith hey allan what do you mean by flues 
30417 re qualifying update 4 thanks 97bubba no softening but i have many formulas from the superlate teams when they were allowed to juice tires. not loss of all accumulated points date and suspension for remainder year or fine. doesn't seem worth it. lol. been told it is 2 tenths on tires we run isn't getting caught. think will stick with what has gotten me this far hard work. lol anyone can win by cheating fun beating them legally. dave 
30418 re overheating lucifer aka. lou tubes in the radiator can expand when overheated.... 
30419 re overheating richard 200 
30420 re overheating 34 go to the stewart web site and do exactly as they say... remove thermostat restrictor 
30421 re overheating heloguy stupid question but did you buy the water pump for standard or serpentine belt 
30422 re overheating dennis smith hey guys thanks for the answers i keep learning from your hard earned experience and will be asking more when get it on track oh ill a pain in rear end lol as over heating.... well you nailed no restrictor or thermostat. 
30423 re overheating richard23 every engine i have had will get up to 200 at idle alot quicker than 20 minutes unless your running an electric fan or methanol. the temp doesn't matter for a racecar. its how it cools on track with more air entering radiator that counts. btw do what stewart says and remove restrictor. 
30424 re rims matt kenneth runout should not be a big problem because i race on dirt track which is uneven surface anyway. thought would put it out there to see if anyone had any thoughts. thanks 
30425 re broken axles matt kenneth if i come across a bop rear will consider doing the upgrade. 
30426 re overheating matt i think a big factor is how many laps you run in given feature. smallblock should tolerate temps of 230-240 for 8 or 10 laps. it not an ideal situation and costs horsepower but would sit out race pull early. my experience has been that guys do have problems until they postfeature their climb 20-30 degrees. one guy blew his radiator hose every week this way was so predictable. if get caught red flag need to shut off wait. idling away definitely asking trouble. am no cooling system expert like battled since started racing. gutted thermostat yet ready remove altogether because some restriction healthy. maybe others on here had different experience. 
30427 re overheating dennis smith yup my thought to about running with nothing restrict the flow as we used do but times have changed i guess water pumps getting high tech fired it up again in way and did just what richard said went a lot slower than restrictor that was garage will see when get on track. thanks for all help heloguy is v-belt 
30428 re overheating richard23 i'm pretty sure mr stewart knows a thing or two about cooling sb chevy. i would listen. we had concerns until bought stage 1 iron pump and removed the gutted thermostat. after that run 210 50 laps in california 100 degree sun thats with inefficient 6 blade 15 fan stock camaro shroud made for 19 fan. personally sold. 
30429 re overheating dennis smith yup i think will listen too probably have to add some tape with the weather we been having up north here lol thanks 
30430 re overheating matt this is an important topic. nothing could be more fundamental than controlling coolant temps. a cool motor that puts out 250 horsepower will generally beat overheated 300 but fails before the checkers. my question stewart has single stage pump which reasonably priced sufficient for stock two-barrel application lou what do you think of their high-flow thermostats 
30431 re overheating 34 i believe all of stewarts water pumps have a viened impeller ..which negates any need for type restrictor ...the only reason works is people that still run stock with stamped impellers were never ment to go over 3500rpm ...at which point they cavitate .. if you race pump your living on borrowed time ... know this the part where someone will come here and say been using x amount years no problems ..why not just do it right edelbrock sells an aluminum appearing long inmpeller great ..my nephew has running 4 years.. it's hard faster when dealing things like heating. good luck 
30432 tight center out jim i have been fighting with this for the past few weeks. car is good about 10 laps then pick up a push from last laps. metric car. tryed backing of sway bar lowering rf 2 lbs increasing rr spring 15lbs tire temps are execpt lf wich 50 degrees cooler than lr. im thinking that not working much causing 1 in stagger open rear big bar. no changes yet.rf does seem to be growing any more when was good. ideas 
30433 re overheating richard23 yes stewarts stage 1 pump will work great for any 2bbl application. have run them on 300hp bomber engines with a to 610hp 4bbl modified engines. they are like 80 or something. 
30434 re tight center out richard23 putting a bleader in the lr to keep pressure low might help. otherwise it looks like you are running high cross weight imbalanced setup. 
30435 re overheating dirtrunner viened impeller--- what do you guys mean by this the impeller is metal 
30436 re tight center out 34 your adjustments are in the right direction but way to small make any real differnece...depending on how bad condition is you need at least 50 lbs rear and 100 front spring rate change. one of my favorite cures for dreaded apex push stock metric cars run about 5 deg + caster across front... no split ..if cant get deg. both sides try 4 degrees front...for this work have ..none ..zero ...natta ..you may some caster-shake 45 mph...but once past it will go away. here other options situation. -enter corner later. -drive faster. -less sway bar preload. -softer rf spring. -stiffer rr -more stagger. dont caught up trying all tire temps same ..it never happen a street stock. - 
30437 re overheating 34 -stamped- stock water pumps have a piece of tin with the edges bent up for impeller. -viened- most racing cast iron impellers viens they look like sump pump ..i cant think anything that resembles them off top my head right now ...try google option...i'm willing to bet it will show ya some pics ....the viened move alot more water. 
30438 re overheating matt thanks for confirming that. if i am going to spend money on a part want make sure it will actually improve the condition somehow. 200- 300 pumps probably work great but cannot afford water pump like stage 1 do job can think about buying it. stewart website does have lot of good engineering advice. is one aspect system we not yet examined. bought stock at parts store bolted motor and forgot looked up my rules they say nothing an aftermarket pump. track fairly strict running most notably wrote rule against racing oil pans. 
30439 re overheating matt i have always planned to take apart a water pump see what it looks like. you are right about the stewart website has lot of useful information. 
30440 re overheating jeremy if u want to save money take the plate off back of water pump and weld a flat round piece sheet metal impellar same size 
30441 crossweight rick has anyone had a car without built in cross weight i need about 53 and must run equal height springs even though they dont rate them. right now have 1000 rf 875 left front spring the 7 inch smaller tire to get my percentage it is pure stock.we cant any spacers loadbolts taller against shorter one .i thought cutting down bar putting big threaded rod 2 washers tightening bolt push on bar.76 cutlass 1 4 tight track 3 8 fast track.will that work other ideas 
30442 re overheating dirtrunner years ago i was told that the stewart pump had a piece of metal on back impeller to make it solid. so took apart my autozone and welded cut in circle impeller. not sure if helped or not. what fixed temp from getting over 200 track tunneling air under 78 monte plastic nose. both sides radiator bumper top down bottom bumper. best 3 hours ever spent. run dirt wash every week with holes front for air. w .limaland.com gallery.phtml show 47 42 gallerynum 0 red car is mine. time free your own i've been running this 4 no washing out except dust. 
30443 re tight center out jim wow no caster split. i have 1 2 degree in the lf on rf its past my guage.i had degrees last week before gatting it down to now lf. why would this change car from good 3 weeks ago same everything. 
30444 re overheating 44dwarf check speedway the purple book guys i think they sell a sheet metal donut to pop rivet stock unit keep stamped impeller from flexing and cavatating if your rules don't allow aftermarket pumps. 44 
30445 re crossweight 34 cutting and re-attaching your frame is a pretty severe time consuming thing to do for such simple problem ..not mention how easy it would be realy screw up car in the process try putting softest rate spring rr you can find ..heres hint ..check out dumpsters at local garage ...i'm not sure of application but small imports have some springs that are right around 100lbs ...then put 250 300 lbs lr..that should give alot cross weight ..with rules like yours able use stock rubber mounts come on them.. other words remove upper lower rubbers ...leave them lr 
30446 re tight center out 34 with the caster you have..it is multiplying your problem ..the more turn steering wheel to left...the wedge cross weight adding car... no split opposite happens ...the top left ...it de-wedges car ..and then when un-wind on exit ...and it's right where need it ...at corner this effect multiplied static have ..so if had +6 degrees across front would a substantial amount of play with...with +1 degree ...very little wieght gets moved. lots guys like feel ...because makes into by itself... 
30447 re crossweight oldgold jessie i wouldnt be reataching my frame just the down bar that runs from cage behind me goes downhill to right front. this car wasnt built with any cross weight in it and needs some would think by cutting putting a big threaded rod into tubing adjusting our put car.we can run race springs but they must not have ratings on them same height left right. other thoughts front lowers rick 
30448 re tight center out lm15 i have 2 responses to this. jim - it sounds like this problem just started in the last few weeks. car used not apex exit push correct if so since has weather changed at your track ie. gotten much hotter are you using same tires as before maybe one of fronts is plain worn out. they're new may slightly less grip. either way sizes allow try swap rf rr tires. check see a bad shock which lost damping. make sure no binds developed bushings ball joint etc . can't find anything that between time when handled and now would start with cross-weight or stiffer spring softer lr spring. can also lf rebound more compression compression. depending on rules little rear steer well. static via longer arm shorter arm. dynamic could be achieved by increasing angle lower upwards towards chassis decreasing something bushing than wheel travel forward rearend wraps up under acceleration. caster odd split somewhat excessive. our metric stuff we usually ran about 4.5 5 6.5 7 rf. mechanical bubble type gauges don't read high. but probably borrow digital gauge from someone track. general will help de-wedge turn wheel. creates force causes wheels want left. personally think does driver comfortable feel steering. next go get tire temps proper camber pressure settings. _____ 34 say his current setup .5 large unknown amount cause gain wedge he turns. i'm really confused understand left hand typical positive spindle snout downwards ground away ground. effectively pushing down into surface while lessening load scales indicated cross weight. unless negative didn't indicate turning decrease inclination another story. increase weight steered. however that's what we're talking about. good luck safe 
30449 more ref updates j block howdy i got this months chassis neswletter from mark ortiz over on the main auto-ware.com si te and added 3 years of newsletters. look in reference library. if you have not seen these before it is well worth time to go read. jb 
30450 re crossweight ted use 2 different lengths of rod on the sway bar. also heat and straighten out small bend in bar arms. both will add or take away cross. using thread all links allow you to adjust it. 
30451 re tight center out jim now i am really confused. gotta use stock type shocks and no messing with the rear ends. right side tires are both about 2 weeks old. check guess. 
30452 re overheating matt what you are suggesting is that the sheetmetal keeps impeller rigid 
30453 re overheating matt i will take a look at speedway when get home. do like the welding sheetmetal idea also. 
30454 re tight center out 97bubba increase the spring in rr. rubber or stiffer spring. 10-20 's should do it. if car is good then i wouldn't mess with caster split. dave 
30455 re tight center out swaybar lm15 i was thinking the same thing about caster split. basically any amount of positive at lf and rf will reduce cross when wheels are turned left. increasing to match would just increase this effect. that's way have it in my head anyway. 
30456 re overheating jeremy ours has been like that for years and no problems 
30457 re tight center out 34 it's an easy thing to prove ..measure your front frame ride hieghts with the wheels straight ahead ..then measure every 1 4 turn of steering wheel. if ya cant steer car better off working in than rear .. tire temps would point you problem as well instead randomly going down check list. 
30458 re crossweight rich walling with a stock '68 ford galixie back in the early 80's my cousin and i used all thread idea bigger tires on right front left rear. when jacking rear end up middle 3 4 socket we could get about 2 inches of bite comes off ground before . that's how us old timers set chassis' electronic scales. 
30459 re overheating richard23 the stewart stage 1 pump is 70. just buy it. 
30460 re overheating 34 amen brotha 
30461 re third link torque arm jp after looking at that site i would have to say it looks like ours different but if describe your's is the closest what like. 
30462 re third link torque arm jp lm15 i found it is a troyer now that know what how do you set this animal up 
30463 lm15 torque bar lift jp looks close has to be same animal i found it is a troyer now that know what how do you set this up 
30464 brakes dennis smith hello i just bought performance friction pads 01 for my mod have the stock d-52 big brake calipers and 1 4 inch thick rotors seem to be wont go on car now spindle that is 3 8 thick. can use a camaro rotor same size 12in but with different bearings 
30465 re brakes gene just mill the pad away till they fit. a grinder with rough grit will work too but its messy. 
30466 looking for a spring rate machine in new england. 44dwarf anyone know off shop with tester that will do 1 7 8 springs i've got several are not engraved on the tangs. i'm about to set up presure gauge hydrolic cyl and use my press but rather have it done. thanks 44 
30479 stock water pump.. john brand new pump on my motor....been running a little warmer these days after 30 laps 230...good duct work...fan..running 180 thermostat which i was told to use....am better with run restrictor or go nothing in there....its crate motor..thanks.. 
30480 re the computerized chassis weight progam helped dirtrunner resend 4-19-09 it won't open. 
30481 re the computerized chassis weight progam helped dirtrunner time distance and banking. send those. 
30482 biggest lie in racing j block yep that is the title of roll center webinar i've got planned for next wednesday 19th . it a good one will make you question what hell magazines and books are trying to push. can see more on main auto-ware.com si te or drop me an email if want sign up. 
30483 re the computerized chassis weight progam helped dirtrunner how does car handle now 
30484 re third link torque arm guest the operates like a link. if is shortened it acts putting more angle in these are usually used asphalt modifieds troyer raceworks cd and spafco. 
30485 re third link torque arm lm15 first off my experience is with asphalt super late models. 10 tires hoosier 3035 3045 f45's and f56's abc body straight rail chassis 2750lb 500hp aluminum head engine. we've ran about 15 different tracks now. we only tried a lift at completely worn out slippery as hell 4 10mi flat sweeping corner 5 8mi that gets pretty slick on exit in the race. solid 3rd iowa speedway milwaukee mile high grip 3 8mi. everywhere else use spring loaded pull bar. so what you have looks similar to quick change bar it mounted something bushing assembly this page lefthanderchassis.com 55.html if i stated really very limited it. primarily upper absorber shown 56.html used exact parts listed lefthander's site. rubber biscuit was preloaded turns. other than adjusted heim joints where attaches rearend housing achieve our normal pinion angle. rod attaching installed vertically 90 chassis. track car did more forward traction under acceleration. driver said harder spin tires. also much tighter entry mid-corner usually run. i've heard people say they had problems rear chattering braking when using arm. common cure seemed be moving bracket front of slightly less 1 towards car. caused threaded which run an angle bottom pointed top personally prefer tire isn't issue like simple link. otherwise absorb initial shock think valuable adjustment lost running don't know provides replace typically causes tend looser all around vs tends find it's easier get setup make turn setup. being been flatout beat by cars while won races against various suspensions. i'm not believer one better just variable has tuned work rest certain there's lot tricks yet handful times. but same statement can probably made every part well 
30486 re choice of engine oil hogracer3d r p xpr 10 40 cool months- 20-50 warm months 6 races filter every other race 
30487 re biggest lie in racing lucifer aka. lou ...and i thought the was check is mail .... 
30488 re choice of engine oil lucifer aka. lou valvoline durablend 10w30 3-6 races depending if it shows carbon buildup starts to get dark. remember the mileage... 1 4 mile track at 35 laps vs 3000 miles doesn't quite add up... don't waste that's perfectly good. i have my street stock motor from 2000 that practically no wear on bearings and still runs up front. you're running alcohol a different story but gas can stand races...easily 
30489 re choice of engine oil swaybar royal purple 15-40 for me with a wix filter. change it every 4 to 5 races. 
30490 re choice of engine oil lm15 on the wet-sump iron head 460hp 7400rpm we ran rotella 15w40. changed and filter every 2-3 weeks depending how much practice testing did. dry-sump aluminum 500hp 8000rpm run joe gibbs xp3. change week cutting it open to inspect about 5-6 weeks. both engines use same wix spin filters. i think it's p n 5106r or something. also has several peterson screens in system. this is an asphalt super late 
30491 re ackerman richard23 you might be able to use less ackerman. i would looking at the bump steer with your chassis. 
30492 re biggest lie in racing j block that is the business it roll center what i hope to show folks rc a crock even if you call different name 
30493 re choice of engine oil matt i run syntec 10w-30 with a fram no screen. cut the filter every change and thankfully see few wear particles. when we broke in cam used tons revlube after two years am still working stuff out motor. thanks for all ideas it really helps. 
30494 re stock water pump.. matt john everyone wants me to buy a stewart pump and i think they are right. it sounds like you have well designed cooling system overall though. try let us all know. 
30495 re stock water pump.. 34 howdy ..i saw answered your question on the 4m board ...other wise scroll down ..this mule has been beaten many times here. 
30496 re ackerman 34 i measure with toe plates..you it just like bump steer except ya turn the wheels... getting rid of 100 on a stock chassis is close to impossible ...i would definatley run less static ...try 1 16th 
30497 re stock water pump.. guest i have seen some new crate motors run hot because the clearances were too tight. 
30498 re choice of engine oil lucifer aka. lou hey matt ditch the fram and go with a wix racing filter or purolator. google test .... here's just one example corolland dot com oil-filters html 
30499 re choice of engine oil kenneth change and filter every 6 races or so. if you stop think about it we are very light on our oil. sure its run hot hard but for little time. 
30500 re choice of engine oil dave lucas 20 50 synthetic every 3 4 races fram filter the hole are much larger then wixs 
30501 power steering jeremy i have engine mount sweet pump and it leaks fluid out of bottom looks like a check valve can be rebuilt or any ideas how to fix 
30502 re brakes dennis smith hey guys thanks for all the responses turns out 5 minutes of filing fixed problem i had a 50 percent chance but started with wrong one howe caliper good just needed finishing got frustrated and asked you came thru. again 
30503 re choice of engine oil lucifer aka. lou a couple things i know about fram that don't like. first is cardboard end caps on the filter media. in my mind big weak point. second media filters way too fine. it might pull out smallest particles but who cares if can 1 micron particle when your bearings pass 10 and not even it. i've used oberg larger than with no noticeable wear. experience loss pressure from 3-5 psi. you see guage. this worries me because means has restriction volume. volume what clears other debris cools parts. kills hydrostatic wedge ability to float pins bearings. cut apart will be collapsed middle. sbc use wix racing 51061r or pinch i'll throw 51061 napa gold standard purolator k n mobil 1. 2300's verion fluid power 1622 both are high flow same brands above. here's link site guy some open. while wholly agree his opinions cool visualize differences between filters. home dot mindspring com cewhite3nc index html 
30504 re choice of engine oil matt lou i will definitely take a look at the links you displayed. my loyalty to fram started back in high school when did changes on hondas. wonder if their quality has declined since then. always appreciate everybody's insights different parts. each part could cause congressional debate for its strengths and weaknesses. some parts are alright go cheap others not. have learned that hard way by inheriting other people's bad work or choices. it gets really interesting learn chevy actually designed excellent still outperform expensive stuff. 
30505 re choice of engine oil matt i see that you run a heavier weight do have undersized bearings 
30506 re power steering matt if it is an oem pump will leak from either the high pressure outgoing side or low incoming side. i think a 1 2npt fitting which subjected to 1500 psi. beaded throat like radiator accomodates considerably lower pressures. mine leaks time bomb on my car so don't feel bad. took lame hose clamp off and installed traditional for now. eventually 25 year old rubber simply fail. would bet you have some tired hoses. most people do not grasp how those pressures are. 
30507 re biggest lie in racing thetech if it indeed is what do you propose to replace the same for purpose of weight transfer calculations that splits linkage friction elasticity springing medium influenced -- load transfers name a few .... this one my favorite debates interests as well... i thought most recent race tech articles was brilliant it's short explanation need higher rc chassis stiffness lacking f1 design's................. can't refute current sla layouts... compromise's result reduction ... noted article all anti-roll bars world don't mean thing unless rolls stiff. gee would some form anti being employed those lay-outs. racecar engineers pursue something because effective they work their instantanious engineering moments. otherwise layouts still look like past... meaning there has been improvement and more learn concerning subject........................ top food chain make these considerations your formula solution worked out own via maurice olley - milliken milliken. entertain me would. that's not smart-mouth i've noticed teasing on issue times. i'm mc guy either............................ have had less than positive exchanges with guy..... diss intriguing am ways persuasion usage................. nothing else we're gonna really mad............ 
30510 re choice of engine oil rich walling we use joe gibbs and change 2 times a season. 10.95 quart is worth it. 
30511 re power steering jeremy hoses are fine there is what looks like a little ball bearing in the bottom of pump that leaks way to fix 
30512 join in the fun. j block this is a fun subject and there much confusion many opinions. i encourage anybody that wants to stretch old mind sign up 
30515 re tire issues 34 why do you change your tires so often ...it's hard to set up a car when all everytime....what kind of are they ...are the exact same size 
30516 re join in the fun. 34 is mark ortiz gonna be there 
30517 ccw help not today got the computerized corner weight softwear and i see car uses 64 front roll stiffness. is this bad am looking to get them more equal sure how info helps new me so i'm kind lost with it. going put in mfg baseline set up start from there as po had it was awfull. push snap loose whole way down straight a way. 
30518 re ccw help j block if you have 64 i would to guess this is a pavement car. it dirt car usually the front less than 50 but not always some tracks and drivers may differ. so then explane your push loose. what does program show for preload 
30519 re join in the fun. j block not signed up yet 
30520 re tire issues j block woah that's weird. i have chased a problem only to put new tiers on and the totally go away. is there rubber compatibility issue did they change tires or something every body use same what are you using just trying eleminate stuff as we boil this thing down. 
30522 re ccw help not today thanks j block. i'll have to look at the preload part. i positive push in was 57 cross guy had it set for.... know he a large but its only 52 rear and 52.5 left 
30523 re the computerized chassis weight progam helped todd i just saw this. resent file that wouldn't open. also sent track input info. 
30524 don't wait too long j block just a reminder there are still some seats left for wednesday's roll center webinar. miss the fun. 
30531 re ccw help 44dwarf we got the chasis mfg baseline set up installed and wow nubers are diffrent. not sure what to make of it yet or how i end with negative preload number... 
30532 re spoiler vs rear weight ted adding can improve acceleration off the corner but creat a loose condition mid turn. entry may loosen as well depending on track layout. additional changes made need to be for this. how fast is typically down force drag wins. gained speed from turn and more than compensate any top loss. in main cases actually result higher end speed. think of sprint cars their big wings yes worth it. now if very high doesn't require grip one get away with less spoiler. just my opinion. 
30533 re no prob ted john great webinar last night. got the brain thinking about current methods used and what is really important. thanks for info. 
30534 re 44 dave what is mfg 
30535 re 44 44dwarf mfg manufacture in this case jaxport 
30536 re spoiler vs rear weight rich walling i guess should have stated that we a crate motor that's about 330 hp at the wheels and are competing with cars 390 wheel hp. limited to 5 spoliers while others 6.5 . our also 25 lbs lighter. 
30537 re ccw help dave thanks i understan what your doing now 
30538 re spoiler vs rear weight ted what kind of track. large track fast turns tight can be done to get more hp wheels type transmission rotating reduced you run lightened ring and pinion a thinner synthetic oil is the current front balance like there any issue with wheel spin on corner exit how it mid-turn where do feel are getting beat at 
30539 re spoiler vs rear weight rich walling hmmmmmmmmmmmm tiger end bert trans lightweight hubs brakes joe gibbs oil and gun drilled bolts ever where. the car weighs 2725 with 425 lbs added below drive shaft. track is a 1 2 mile 11 degree banked relatively long straights. times are in 19.8 20.02 range. corner speeds from 75-77 mph. super through middle off. problem that it very hard to pass out hp. we have won one feature 2nd points fast qualifier once . but first place getting away. when gets under neath cars can rpm down straight get us flagman corner. after caution takes few laps really going. having fun just want experiment little. 
30540 re spoiler vs rear weight 34 is this a 602 crate motor ..how old it ever been freshened ..whens the last time ya checked or changed your valve springs 
30541 re spoiler vs rear weight rich walling it's a 604 that was completely rebuilt 3 weeks ago. it has the good springs. 
30542 re choice of engine oil deaner74 run 76 lubricant racing 20w50 after a joe gibbs break in on the dyno 
30543 re power steering richard sweet rebuilds them give a call they are in kalamazoo mi 
30544 re spoiler vs rear weight-please explain rich walling ok we all know how to make the car faster by using mechanics but my question was about aero vs. weight. if down more force on creates a better corner entry and so why wouldn't little mor percentage do same what am i missing 
30556 re spoiler vs rear weight-please explain alan rich i think most of the down force is in front.i could be wrong. why not call your body manufacture and ask. they have all been to wind tunnel.for what it's worth we are running 50.5 would like get more. if you using bbss set up help me with trailing arms. 
30557 re distance trailing arms dennis smith hey allan the closer to rotor better was my thought but all i have go on is steve smiths book and sneaking peeks at other cars just didnt know if it made that much of a difference in handling can get within 5 or 6 inchs think with out hitting caliper asphalt mod 1 3 4 mile tracks makes any difference. thanks again 
30558 lockup vs. non-lockup converters matt does anyone know how to tell the difference between a and converter in vehicle check bench i want but if someone comes along with one what am installing. 
30559 re spoiler vs rear weight-please explain rich walling we don't use bbss it's a modified setup. our front springs are heavier than 200lbs inch and roll center is higher 10 inches. i would tell you about the shocks but then woulkd havee to......... well know what mean. do run trailing arms at 2 up to on left .85 right. that with out driver. type of chassis have if novice lefthander has set guide or work book for their chassis. it costs abvout 25 worth it. 
30560 re distance trailing arms 44dwarf closer to the sidewall better but they also need be parallel with center line of car as any angle in link when viewed from above messes roll steer some and does strange things force vectors on rod ends. john has a nice rear suspension program. 44 
30561 re distance trailing arms dennis smith hey 44 thanks for the info just welded in some adjustable arm brackets so good to go on angles got johns rear front and chassis weight cant wait try it but trying get everything as close i can start. again 
30562 re choice of engine oil big bore add kn filters to trouble list. some builders having issues. 
30563 re k n 44dwarf big bore can you tell us more i've been very happy with the motorcycle oil filters and use them allmost exclusively now. one thing i like about is they have a welded nut on bottom for lock wire. save me time of clamping hose clamp wireing that. 44 
30564 re spoiler vs rear weight-please explain 97bubba and according to the latest write up it was heavily modified a couple of weeks ago. nice job fixing bac win feature. oh by teh way i think we know each other at least have crossed paths few times. do your driver several others from there. anyway added weight depending on where can add pendulum effect. has mod in past. smaller should get you more speed end half miler guys run not sure if would be worth or even that noticeable. obviously pretty good nite after back got all torn hot laps. there how much body left this experiment accident give little data go by. help don't for wasn't didn't see what looked like feature just read onlime. dave 
30565 re spoiler vs rear weight-please explain rich walling like i said in my after thought on the article our qualifing was dismal. and yes flapping breese. john he didn't know where car going with out spoliler working. we finally got body back to resemble before picture time run feature but you should have seen inside of car. it real ugly. for those who no idea what a talking about here link. well john's website will not let me add l n k. try googling short track news chicago racing go forum board look nutley's rescue effort. 
30566 re spoiler vs rear weight-please explain 97bubba anyway awesome job at rockford the first year we ran mod spoilers were not allowed by rule. next they so i put one on. lap times didn't change and driver notice a difference that she told me about. this have been tempted to remove it see if might pick up little with new my wife retired lol . discuss him 3 weeks left try it. do will let you know. dave 
30567 re lockup vs. non-lockup converters kenneth about 20 pounds lol. you should be able to see an additional set of splines in the neck a lockup. 
30568 re lockup vs. non-lockup converters burt brown racing transmissions on the 350 you will see a 1 2 nipple input shaft and in converter smooth deep hole with no splines that feeds lock-up clutch. does weigh tad more non-lock up. personally i do not like any or for racing. back day lock-ups use to fail point where people would just disconnect wire switch because half time they quit working right. 
30569 cylinder heads guest looking for opinions on new rules say we can run any castiron head must be as cast no porting of kind. 355 chevy flat top piston roller cam victor jr intake 2bbl motor. 1 2 mile track. what are the better to 
30577 re help with 1.6 rockers on a 604 indyracer i already have set of from 305. my question is can use these the guide plates or do to buy self aligning set. we run our rules require 1 restricter plate and max 350hp rear wheel rule. rule came about allow 305 302 motors compete crate. 350 started as guys found hp crates even plate. 
30581 re crate engines devon nobody 
30582 suspension analysis poll j block if you had a computer application for what would want to get in the way of output 
30583 re help with 1.6 rockers on a 604 gene how can they have 350 hp at the rear tire rule do dyno that everyone drives after races 
30584 re off season motor protocols 22racing our crate gets a tear down complete hot water bath at machine shop check for tolerances if checks out ok we change rings bearings valve springs seals clean up valves timing chain gears oil pump new plugs belts all gaskets of course. carb rebuild kit and or throttle plate bushings over as neccessary. distributor goes to expert thanks dan - dyno pull two then resealed. usually runs 2000 so 
30585 re help with 1.6 rockers on a 604 indyracer ok so i bite the bullit and buy self aligning next question is do need both intake exaust or would side be enough race budget all but gone for year no gene they don't pick choose who's car to impound take local dyno. winner may not impounded. rules are subjective here. 
30586 re off season motor protocols matt excellent thanks. 
30587 re off season motor protocols racer_dave pull the carb drain it of all water and oil. on bottom end- pan check bearing wear oil pump. if any one needs replaced then i get further into doing tolerances etc. main rod bearings are good bolt back up new gasket. top compression inspect plugs valve spring pressure release tension springs so valves stay closed for winter tape exhaust ports. intake. other stuff- clean distributor fuel cell line put together as soon i'm done inspecting fixing. in car about 2 weeks before first practice reset retime go. obviously during inspection see something don't like investigate replace whats needed but this is my routine. 
30588 re suspension analysis poll dave i would like to see one made for a street stock and explane what the numbers mean with help windows telling us look when making change have it teach were useing most upper classes car builders there own ideas thanks john how about front roll center program that works backwareds we put specs in track size banking output is starting point new camber so on 
30589 help gene it must be the prozak county speedway i can not imagine any car owner in mid west letting someone take their over to local dyno shop for a run. or track around here willing pay time. you guys laid back bunch of good ole boys. is track's stretch lined with billboards all sponsored by rollin' paper companies. somehow get this vision twitter pass move will next. 
30590 re k n big bore sorry for late response several engine builders have raised concerns on recent failures. has been contacted. not seen from them. 
30597 re help with 1.6 rockers on a 604 34 are ya sure it's 350hp at the rear wheels ...that sounds more like motor dyno 's than chassis 's... 
30598 re trailing arm angles 34 5 deg. lr 3.5 rr upper third link as much you can get before wheel hop. then fine tune it with your pan hard bar. is this a big spring car or coil overs simple and old the 3-link ..every adjustment point makes difference in effecting other points ...there no correct way to do ...just general rules of thumb. remove springs put rear through roll droop..the more angle split use steer you'll have. 
30599 re help with 1.6 rockers on a 604 indyracer 350 at the rear chassis dyno. some cars were as high 380 last year. and thats running 1 restricter plate 
30600 re suspension analysis poll lucifer aka. lou checkered flags one right after another... lol 
30601 re trailing arm angles dennis smith thanks for the ideas car is standard set up with spring sliders and short pan hard bar. 
30602 3 link rear ends chris i currently have a end with both trailing arms that no abilitly to change hieghts at either end. was planning put pinch clamp sliders on the are fixed chassis be able angle into bars. is it nessesary side of also for my upper 3rd dont ability in little incremints. going slider attached chassis. should putting axle move closer or farther away from how much adjustment left right adding and if sideways do need movement 
30603 re trailing arm angles richard23 too much angle on the third link will make car loose in. with a short 3rd i would start at 7 degrees. 
30604 re 3 link rear ends gene you need a 4th to keep the axle located in frame most popular is panhard bar. there also watts but it simple. as ball bark start lower links run up towards front 5 deg top will point at trans output shaft mount 6 above housing and behind axles. separate opinion on your question for anyone that answers. 
30605 re 3 link rear ends chris i just wanted to add that this is an asphalt dwarf car...and run a panhard bar. 
30606 re trailing arm angles rich walling if you have time to experiment keep adding angle untill the becomes loose in then back it off. 
30631 re three link tech question todd if you have jbar mounted to the rear end on left and frame right standard asphalt setup .....and side higher than left.... should actually move while in compression. so unless a different configuration...compression is probably not where it happening. 
30632 re roll center madness todd i am looking forward to this one. missed it the first time around. have been learning that front still plays an important part in whole scheme of things... but not way most people thinking. will be interesting see what john has say and show about it. 
30633 re antidive -control arm mounting rich walling as roads became better auto engineers in the late 30's to 50's were concerned with ride of family car. do this coil springs softer and rates norm. while airplane shocks improved stopping cornering hindered. solve these problems anti-roll bars for anti-dive problem solvers. has angles control arms looking at side view. torque wheels on suspension through act like a stiff spring when brakes are applied. if you google can look up article that was posted circle track's w e b s i t 
30634 re help indyracer i can see the title now 'up in cup' boy this thread took a right turn 
30635 re blowing out power steering fluid matt here is what we do top off or suck so you have the correct level in p s pump. jack front of car up wheels are ground. take cap reservoir. start motor and let it idle give a high 1200-1500. slowly turn wheel from apex to 4 5 times. if there any air system will vent problem may not be an bubble but logical place does cost money require running around for new part. this help then bigger problem. first thing that came mind when i read your post was head some obstruction circuit. chunk gear could broken blocked plumbing perfect way burp lot fluid. 
30636 throttle linkage on a street stock matt cable or rod thoughts ideas 
30637 re throttle linkage on a street stock 00joe i have always preffered to run rod than cable. if sticks atleast you half prayer....if cable no pull pack. but is less likely bind up cuz there are heim joints found only lock one end of the other side free swivel. and dont....i repeat...dont forget stop its good idea it hair before full throttle. sux overcam break shaft...hopefully blades dont hang open....antway enuff ramblin...later fellow roundy rounders 
30638 re three link tech question 34 whats the lr tire rubbing on frame rail .... 
30639 re blowing out power steering fluid 34 are ya sure the ps is coming of tank o-rings on supply hose critical ..both and box ends ....do have a larger pulley for your pump 
30640 re throttle linkage on a street stock racer_dave always rod stop. 
30641 re throttle linkage on a street stock matt guys 10-4 the rod and stop. thanks 
30642 re antidive -control arm mounting mnmale1972 thanks rich. that gave me more info than i expected to get. 
30645 re three link tech question todd so which was do you have the jbar mounted it will make a difference. 
30646 re trailing arm angles richard23 exactly my thoughts too 
30647 re three link tech question dirtrunner how much axle steer do you have in the rear is it rubbing because of that 
30648 re three link tech question jeff j-bar is mounted on the left behind driver. not too much rear steer i wouldnt think since maximum steering effect acheived at full throttle and its only happenning midcorner hardly all in 1 2 3and4 more like a hairpin instead of slow turn figured maybe simply bottoming out 
30649 re three link tech question dirtrunner how close is the tire to chassis standing still 
30650 what does a non-adjustalbe sway bar to do metric john doe i was woundering if running nonadjustable oem on the front of dirt hobby stock good or bad thing. don't even know it would not do. my chassis is nonflex early '80s bucik regal. have never ran one nor seen car in midwest that noticed . thanks 
30651 re what does a non-adjustalbe sway bar to do me rich walling since preload mostly affects corner entry and exit. my thoughts would be that those conditions have addressed by some other means. 
30652 re three link tech question jeff standing still its about two inches from where rubbing. however we won our 5th straight last night decided im just gonna change the offset and try that spacer helped but rubbed someone mentioned maybe spring lr has lost tension i figure to get it away chassis throw on a off drop pull bar again learned shoulda been runnin this solid whole time man made even faster taken of 90-10 shock wish wouldve found out at first year 
30653 re ccw help update 44dwarf finally got to run again not with out problems but we the show in. took off early from work fri go open practice made 3 laps lost oil cooler...spares is 210 miles away at home...er.... sat ran down a napa that makes hydraulic hose and -6 union looped cooler lines while it poured rain...show time came so did sun. 1st car was loose apex way soft spring manufactures set up. lowered both side of pan hard rod 1 2 inch. second better still off. added round in lr rf rear mount 3rd link as i could feel front end get lite would 4 wheel drift out. qualifier just right slight hammer drive it. feature hours after quaifer.... great anywhere needed exact through two cars where by for 11 laps...finaly around lap flag ...staied low fast lifted when saw bumper my door. wasn't leader guy passed...wtf passing your getting traffic flag... sundays ride home fun...lost belt tensioner truck. snapped bolt limped fellow racers house 12 grabbed his street bike 35 only auto parts store on until noon.. 4.5 later back under way. thankfully broken unscrewed fun air pump alt pull bracket. if its one thing 10 others... 44 
30654 re three link tech question dirtrunner glad it's working for you what are the angles of lower rear arms you're running dirt correct 
30655 re what does a non-adjustalbe sway bar to do me dirtrunner john doe is wrong with the car now 
30658 re what does a non-adjustalbe sway bar to do me john doe well first off we started the heat with 160 of lr bite and car was overstter nightmare in middle entry awsome. then all over set-up from 2 months ago i won 2x with. that only had 120 softer springs. come feature track spotty dry slick tacky. steered like it on auto-pilot top or bottom but two problems again just when ran past has extreme body roll really fast onto rf rr mean starting at smooth as silk thru turn other than feeling right side seat digging into my ribs no forward exit i'm coming out straight not pulling . 18th finished 3rd pit guy fell broke tire pyrometer so have idea tires were doing. 
30659 questions on flag etiquette 44dwarf hi gang. okay say you out the track and get stuck behind traffic then finally by tail pack two laps later man shows passing lap flag. at this were told stay low. so in lower groove keep your pace. for but no one is seen door next time around flicks to make sure heading turn 1 see a bumper give slight lift guy just pasted. i feel not right pass under others same it gentlemen s agreement. whats take 44 
30660 re three link tech question doughnut hey jeff i got my car with the same setup as yours but when went one hole up on lr.frame side thing was so tight it lifting left front off ground high couldnt see to drive now thinking of taking some bite out are angle biscut bar going 1 rr what you think 
30661 re questions on flag etiquette j block just me personally if i see the blue won't react going into 1 but give a look back in corner to it is leader coming lap me. ain't him doing nothing until turns much darker shade or checkers one aspect try maintain mentally not using all bandwidth my current battle. keep track of where am reletive 1st and 2nd unless i'm lol 
30662 suspension class j block howdy all we are going to run our front again this month on wednesday the 16th at 8 eastern - 7 central. if you would like attend fire me an email or call 800-647-2392 ext 201 and i will get signed up. thanx happy racing john 
30663 good question j block someone asked what we cover. in a nut shell first introduce the concept of camber thrust and look at real values so people get feel for just how important this parameter is relation to other items. next recovery items impact quantity recovery. also sensitivity suspension geometry changes. then address gain with different setup types conventional bbss . course briefly roll center madness. from there cover kingpin inclination caster scrub radius steering feedback corner weight interact these settings create you wheel. hope helps others too 
30664 re questions on flag etiquette jracer98 the series i run in has changed management a time or two but originally if car 1 was racing 2 for position and while laid over 3 leader to lap by followed under inside line....car would be blackflagged. letting one night long race he got into tangle with next ahead that . both went way up track all sideways smoking thet never actually came complete stop. of course low by. after guy mad at me. knew rule can't just stop wait them work it out get going ha jay 
30665 re questions on flag etiquette rich walling what happened to us last week in a 100 lapper 1 2 mile is that we were trying gain position while the lead lap and two back markers racing us. they both down relapping them. man must have had other priorities because blue never appeared. it probably kept from gaining at least one more position. me rule should be if you are not for go inside let fast cars race. that's crowd came see. 
30666 re throttle linkage on a street stock dan riley we've always had to run toe bar our go pedal so we can lift if need to. no cables allowed cause trying back off with cable is like shooting pool hunk of rope. rod....good luck 
30667 re what does a non-adjustalbe sway bar to do me dirtrunner this have the stock 4-link in rear are your springs. 
30668 re questions on flag etiquette kenneth i guess race under different rules or philiosphies. when a move over comes out expect to continue running the same line have been. if guy is good enough make it all way around track then he can see where been going and go right past me. some like you top others bottom. an old timer taught me stay was let them figure out. i've noticed there are less wrecks that thought used. 
30669 re what does a non-adjustalbe sway bar to do me john doe yes stock 4 link. i'm running 13 250 lr and 12 225 rr 
30670 re questions on flag etiquette racer_dave at our track we all kind of voted a few years ago. didn't want everyone to be low because inherently cars going down lap are pushing and push up lane. so decided if you get the blue orange hold your line. you've been running high run stay low. they can't make their mind over place after getting i move them with bumper. not hard but nudge in direction go. as for racing when 'move over' it depends. i'm that far back watch across straights know pretty well they're coming. point nobody has give me already also am very usually diagnosing car better next week. why race risk wrecking payday difference between 13 14 is like 10 i'll pass who can more aware leaders than my own position. 
30671 re throttle linkage on a street stock matt dan our is one of the last things we are getting to car. have sturdy double return spring set up intake. still oem pedal mounted firewall and it feels gummy when you actuate it. i see toe bar pedals in catalogs they look good. thanks 
30672 re questions on flag etiquette anonymous1 i love it when they give you the move over and leaders are a full straight behind you... isn't that what mirror is for then two laps later still man giving like his life depends it..... luckily caution comes out some other squirrels decides to take time come explain means...lol. laugh tell him could see them in my 1 4 lap me.. will over..... 
30673 re questions on flag etiquette 44dwarf ya i'm still not use to running mirrors we were allowed run them when i started racing infact you could have any polished metal in the drivers veiw. at natinal events can't mirrors. think its better with out myself. 
30674 re questions on flag etiquette oval olds coming from a sports car racing background stationary blue means there is faster somewhere behind you but not close waving to in any event it never move over . the rule hold your line. we often race with few classes of sort similar cars track at one time. just because class does mean has driver. many times stations will display if they see slower class. for i'd say personality local flagger dictates what goes on. least lower learning line should prevail. slow guys need as much real time can get running low nothing their learning. 
30675 wrap around windshield jam i see pictures of northern late models with windshields and pretty cool roofs. anybody know who makes them thanks 
30676 re three link tech question jeff leave the rr flat depending on just how heavy left side of your car will determine many holes up to run lr guys with stock chassis tell you it one hole from rr.. pretty good baseline advice pull bar.... more angle down in front have forward bite have. but make loose entry and anytime off gas unload as is basically trying pick back when throttle. gives feel a lot stagger angle.if adjust this need sure keep pinion same by adjusting its length. well trailing arm.... thats about best i can mean probly info before could give better guess we 3 offset stub so our angles wont help much me dnickell08 gmail.com 
30677 longer caliper bolts racer_dave so i have 2 different lengths of on my modified. went to the parts store and got for a 73 monte carlo figuring they'd be ones nope. does anyone know which application might had i'm looking are about 1 4 than those bought. just trying keep from running guy crazy stuff up. 
30678 throttle safety item ted was talking with some others over the weekend and saw post on set up discussion of a stuck naturally came up. one that helps this is brake pressure switch. coleman makes switch to put in line will kill ignition once goes above amount. i have run for 9 years can sit pits car running push brakes hard enough engine dies. it auto resets fires back never had cut out track while normal use. talked many drivers about throttle. when asked why you didn't shut off all said same thing time think it. natural reaction hold onto steering wheel hit harder. taking their hands trying any enter into equation. so not add do what it's only 72. did know existed but now wouldn't bit safety. just spread knowledge. great day. 
30679 re throttle safety item 44dwarf any idea what the pre-set psi is on switch i like never thought about it myself. 44 
30680 re throttle safety item matt i have never experienced a stuck and do not want to. however it is like riding motorcycle matter of if but when. only needs to surge for fraction second cause an accident. generally happens at the worst possible time entering turn or onset caution. friend mine credits least half his contacts with wall on turns 1 3 throttle. nothing else you look idiot from stands. sounds easy reach ignition toggle nobody will presence mind. cutoff wise investment. 
30681 re throttle safety item ted the set point is adjustable. what i did was sit in car and simulate a fairly hard stop. switch so that it not activated. then hit brakes as could made sure activate. can test pits has yet to cause any issue on track even when have hard. some of guys talked had hung said their steering wheel actually bent towards them from pulling apply harder. here my thought you go into corner let off nothing happens try lift up while hitting by now heading wall trying think ignition am going be thinking. if do how long will take your hand find flip correct direction. with cup style about it. all this takes time. brake pressure just natural hold for ride. me know other questions. 
30682 re throttle safety item racer_dave these have been around for a while i think first saw one about 7-8 years ago also the coleman piece if remember right. bigger question is why your sticking stop not set right there bind does it rub on air cleaner find problem don't fix symptom. tthat said switch good idea and cheap enough there's no reason to run but make sure up begin with. had stuck in 24 of racing borowed car hit killed motor still ate concrete. borrow now check linkage very carefully. 
30683 re throttle safety item guest i use a mushroom stop button the type you see on machinery. have it mounted close to steering wheel and can hit very fast. no haven't by accident yet lol 
30684 re longer caliper bolts oval olds try a 77 chevy c-20 3 4 ton pickup. these use pin slider d 52 pad and thick rotor. 
30685 re longer caliper bolts racer_dave yep i camped at the parts counter of local o'reilly's on way home from work. we pulled them up computer and measured. used a 77 1 2 ton chev truck. thanks almost have new modified finished might get chance to break it in still this fall. 
30686 re good question alan john it's hard for me to be at your class. would it possible you record the class and email those who are interested a modest price 
30687 re throttle safety item 44dwarf you know the more i think about this better it seems but theres one other flaw could see relies on still having brakes. 
30688 re three link tech question jeff is the car tight going in pushes mid corner or coming out skates to top on exit 
30689 technical question on insurance racer_dave so my agent was over today to get some info mustang. and i had a for him about the equipment in shop 30x45 with all racing stuff tools race car mustang off furniture etc... he advised that if were burn tornado whatever such would be covered but not car. asked why said 'because its it should have own policy' pointed out cars do vin registration or plates. says 'you'd somebody write riding mower is covered. 'yes because doesn't drive street' 'neither does car' his response 'doesn't matter amount pay every year surprised. towing track 'not covered' needs policy which we won't write.' hauling set under your truck's covers anything truck trailer covered.' returned 'but trailer' car.' going insured haggerty. he's supposed rider will include cars. i'm sure i'll go fine tooth comb. what while track. i've also heard haggerty has too. find monday suppose. anyone experience this let me know. you may want check see they same screwed up definitions of whats isn't. by way state farm now maybe much longer isn't resolved. 
30690 re technical question on insurance jracer98 ok....fine....i don't own any racecars but i do a lot of individual components. hehehe jay 
30692 car j block what if it only has 3 wheels 
30693 re wrap around windshield guest defender bodies and allstar 
30694 re questions on flag etiquette matt when i first went out the track had no idea what was doing. we did not go to races saturday worked cars so learned hard fast way. one of old timers told me that if heard someone come up should let him by. tactic assumes holding your line. common sense dictates you change line run risk hitting someone. culture at my is for people their own race. faster need figure themselves how get around a slower car. flagman presents blue yellow he does it warn slow car rather than prompt make also strongly agree flagman's managerial style plays into it. lot this board have raced more and they seen me. 
30695 re technical question on insurance gene you just set yourself up to get canceled by your company. if they do cancel will have a big problem getting coverage. don't think logic as in lawnmower verses race car. bite the bullet and coverage company that covers collector cars. tornado or fire expect say shop all tools such was for car won't pay. state i know of 2 cases where paid about 10 what should would not it 80 cheaper because are fair with pay outs. westfield ins. my 8 separate properties case you're wondering. 
30696 flat track dave going to try are hand at a 5degs 1 3mile with fast wide corners i run street stock 73 chevelle would like no some starting points for caster camber gain toe and bump steer 2 rear how you upper lower control arm angels thanks 
30697 350 vs. 400 jam rulebook next year allows for sbc without weight penalty. besides more cubic inches is there less advantages than running a can use any lift hyd. cam. with open chamber heads only. the i'm only allowed .450 but i closed heads. i've got 64cc world or 461 casting 52cc. now.track asphalt 1 3 mi. opinions thanks 
30698 re three link tech question doughnut change bottom bar went back down car was good but had some bad luck in feature. still a little tight center out already got 5 inch stagger 
30309 re anybody else have data or thinking about it todd wondered what other people are doing with their  who is getting a system would be interesting to compare files and such. 
30310 re u joint problem john 2 caps....thats what i was wondering if tightning them too much ...every week check and tighten abit...so this time just snugged them...if the shaft out of balance wouldnt feel it... 
30311 re bent axle tube 34 put your tremel bar or toe plates on rear end..take a measurement...then turn wheels 180 deg. and measure again the reason for of is to make sure not measuring tire distortion wheel 
30339 re just wanted to say thanks for data acquistion dirtrunner it's good hear you are liking it. what were the problems with car and how did fix them 
30340 re bent axle tube 44dwarf ya if you can find one it's easyer to replace it. i started building rears for dwarf out of pure nasessity as the that came with my car was built muffler tubing and would bend farted next it...pure junk.  years before had done a hack job on 9 inch ford drag mock up. plesure talking greg moosher at english town early 90's him do axles final housing. 44 
30341 re bent axle tube matt it's amazing you can spend a lifetime just mastering one automotive system. 
30342 stupid question of the day 22racing ok my brain is stalled right now. just ordered some howe lower bjs that are threaded. they on their way but now i have strut style lowers and press-in to threaded adapters sitting in front me. adapter has a lip it larger diameter than rest internally about 3 4 up or down . goes bottom control arm so threads start closest im sorry its been long day....lol 
30343 re just wanted to say thanks for data acquistion todd well without going into all the details...  when we looked at chassis plane could see that car was always in compression on rf and rr. it staying over there time...not much but impossible by looking shock travel gauges. gauges showed how max were getting weren't able tell long never fully came back past neutral point. one thing...and biggest. a few changes setup part fixed. 
30344 re just wanted to say thanks for data acquistion dirtrunner how did you fix it 
30354 re the computerized chassis weight progam helped dirtrunner webinars are great. it's nice to see someone who purchased data acq and let others know how helping their car.  john i'd like some new stuff. 
30355 re the computerized chassis weight progam helped todd email me at kart_thinker yahoo.com and i will send you two different ccw files. know we emailed each other before but don't if still have it.  thanks. 
30356 moroso expansion tank jracer98 moroso's directions aren't specific and no one answers their tech line today.  should you cut off the filler neck on existing radiator tig a plate over it there is fitting that evidently goes onto but where high low back side thanks in advance for any advice. jay 
30357 re moroso expansion tank 44dwarf not sure i understand but if the expantion has a cap fitting on it then you could weld over rad part why bother cost to do that i'd just buy 26 or 28 lbs for and use lower psi rated tank. leaving oem will speed up refilling too.  44 
30358 re moroso expansion tank guest we usually plumb the large hose from to water pump and small gets plumbed top of radiator that is connected lower hose. this puts on suction side cooling system. should be highest point fill it run motor at arourn 2500 rpm off put cap tightly then let engine return idle. never remove when system hot. boils 220 degrees. boiling increased by pressure you loose if open check level 
30359 mertic chassis w stock 4 link guest on asphalt how much cross weight are people running i am up to 57 . 
30360 re moroso expansion tank jracer98 copy that... thanks  jay 
30361 re mertic chassis w stock 4 link 34 as much it takes ..just shy of pushing  there is no magic number ...listen to the car not nacar ned in pits ..or bbss set up week..the will tell you everything...ya just have listen it. 
30373 third link torque arm jp need some help we just got this new latemodel car with rear suspension problem is instead of having a pull bar it has bar. have no idea how to go about seeing if setup right much less adjust it. any understand animal would be greatly appreciated  you can email me or post here like i said appreciate 
30374 re third link torque arm 44dwarf are you talking about a rubber biscut spring in the upper 3rd  i hope so my other dwarfs go one and i've never run like it before either solids. 
30375 re akerman steering ed yes i have a pitman idler arm. been told to slot the left spindle about 3 4 back so it would turn less. does this seem right 
30376 re third link torque arm 34 is it the push pull variety  as in allows absorbtion both direction whats your problem with ..whats handling 
30377 re akerman steering 34 when you measure your ackerman are going through bump on the right and droop left 
30378 re akerman steering ed no i'm just measuring with the car at ride height turning to left. 
30379 re third link torque arm jp i never saw one of these before..i'm told their used on troyer modifieds. they hook the quick change and go toward middle chassis right above driveshaft with a rubber biscut bolt.  something new to learn yeeha 
30386 lost my cool newman racing well i never actually had it. run a pure stock class on dirt and can not get sons 92 roadmaster to stay for 25 laps. the car has oem fuel injected chevy 350.  installed restrictor plate stripped radiator out of have used 2 years put it in locked up clutch fan. first gear engine is spinning at 6200 rpm end straight. due fan kept throwing serp. belt. an electric from 3rd gen camaro. belt stays but we still pull off lap 22. 7 blade reverse rotation so use one 4 fans. any ideas help old man his 17 year boys finish race 
30387 re lost my cool 34 replace the water pump with a racing viened impeller .. stock appearing cast iron ones are available at very reasonable price ..and remove thermostat or anything else that your using to restrict flow.  -stock pumps stamped where never intended turn more than 3500 rpm...when go past rpm it cavitates... -get steel 4 blade fan. -a fan shroud so pitch of is in out 50 -ducting air radiator critical. -throwing belts always happens on de-celeration ..throwing serpentine pretty hard ..97 lt-1 camaros had reduction pulleys them...the lower pulley 6 ...use serp. belt for and altenator as idler ...that should cure throwing....use v-belt power steering.. good luck.. ps..check stewarts web site...it's full great technical info. 
30399 re qualifying update 4 thanks 97bubba he as brought down his times slightly over 1 2 a second since opening nite. we qualified in the fastest car has ever gone on timed lap. still little ways to go but are only about tenth off right now. again. dave 
30400 re qualifying update 4 thanks j block cool keep digging. 
30401 re lost my cool scott locking up the fan uses a lot of power and probably don't move much air since it's flailing away so hard. i'd put smaller pulley on crank working clutch. i removed our ran it 20 laps to prove point didn't get hot at speed there ought be enough velocity that engine. drove across america without one gto when clutch failed. really like good electric with an extra battery you use lead for why not double you'll make more less likely chew radiator up. saw article about dyno test engine they claimed 6 blade steel took 50 hp 500 small block. know stocker locks makes dramatic difference in power. every time hear track think how stupid are toss read by smokey he said need 30 psi from water pump block should higher pressure then thermostat restrictor is what this possible just oil regard. i've often wondered installing gauge into system between sizing right psi. luck heating problem can such pain. 
30402 re bent axle tube scott remove the housing complete including tires. block tires so it can't roll now and toe will change pinion be spinning at this point . you can just measure across top see things move as is rotated. to straighten heat red on long side quinch with a wet rag it'll more then expect go slow. i have never sucessfully done but haven't tried very often either. mostly was chasing drive line vibration in my truck. looking back know probably mounts throwing out u-joint canceling angles. pretzeld couple of shafts perfect straightness. saw machinest triangulate make difficult possible when rechecked way obvious could still bad. he got mad cut car into pieces late model. some people stand wrong it's wonder didn't commit suicide. 
30403 three speed gear ratio pooh i have a 2 line chevy standard transmission what is the in second 
30404 re three speed gear ratio 97bubba i believe it is 1.84 for the 2 line. dave 
30405 chevy transmission gear ratio pooh i have a that has 2 groves. what is the in second 
30406 re three speed gear ratio dirtrunner he is correct 
30467 re looking for a spring rate machine in new engla alan place one of your wheel scales press.you may want to piece steel plate under the spread out load. 
30468 re the computerized chassis weight progam helped todd dirtrunner -  i emailed you those two different ccw files. let me know what think. 
30469 re looking for a spring rate machine in new engla 44dwarf my scale only go to 400lbs per pad. total car weights 1240 with me it. there realy sumbeam brand shipping scales but it was all i could afford 11 years ago....funny not buy them today if needed too....  44 
30470 re brakes devon i wouldn't canibalise the pad. there are 2 different sizes of large gm caliper as you said one to fit a 1.25 rotor and onr that fits 1 rotor. have ask did push piston back into all way 
30471 choice of engine oil matt dennis' thread on overheating generated so much attention because it is a basic problem. i started to think more about fluids in general. what kind do people run synthetic mineral how often you change filter screens this relatively boring topic but we all know the motor runs lot better with it. some oils work than others or they 
30472 re brakes dennis smith yup the piston is back i am using same calipers and rotors that ran last year except 1 new caliper from howe everything measures just like old maybe they are thicker pads but should fit thought some one else had a problem this. thanks for answers keep them coming. 
30473 re brakes gene my thought was that the pad a little thick. i would not remove more than 1 8 material do inside first when it fits with .010 business card shim then outer. 
30474 re choice of engine oil guest rotella 15w40 change and filter every week. iron head motor no cooler. 
30475 re brakes guest you have the camaro caliper but need impala caliper. 
30476 ackerman ja street stock class metric car on 1 4 mile high bank ashphalt. i've been fighting a push and front tires are always howling in the turns. although left tie rod is move back little spindle arm i had never actually checked so went out got 2 cheap magnetic laser levels to stick rotors. found that with 6 degrees steering input right tape my wheel shows what turn at i'm getting 8 left. of should be ok right. still using static toe-out also usually run 8-1 inch but bit hard tell bent rims. thanks 
30477 stock steering pump modifications ted buccy of mine is looking to use a on his modified. what do people run them he has the 6 in pulley. else needs be done  any info would appreciated. 
30478 re choice of engine oil 34 royal purple 5 30...change the every 10 races ..filter old with a paint funnel filter put it back in plastic quarts ..throw hauler ..use to top off at track .. if i need too 
30508 tire issues jp just wanted to let you guys know we won our feature race tonight with bbss setup. an ask a question about problems found. conventional setup would cycle tires 3-4 races on new skins then them down heat and practices tires.  now for problem this has been so inconsistant could put figure the problem. normal have three practice sessions first one run old second third were talking couple laps. last few months doing session cones up make us groove they want it doesn't help us. today finally figured out why car past week went over entire chassis i mean everything ripped checked back together. track driver round came in said best it's all season. change same size tiresnothing different except their fresher shit loose as hell. set of was hooked again. only differents can find is compound newer softer by 15 point. thing see left front running 10 degrees colder than older when bolted be better not worse we're trying where go from here. any 
30509 re biggest lie in racing matt thetech people can tease all they want but if you get a race car to go faster and corner better then that is matters. 
30513 re power steering matt i am only familiar with oem pumps and mine seems to work alright save for the leaking low pressure hose. 
30514 re tire issues j block jp john you have any ideas on why what normal happens when we put new the car getting better then are getting. i don't want to throw tons of changes at this until a handle is happening would not enough wedge be causing guessing so much stuff need fresh input that was reason tore down and it back together thought missed something being screwed up. realized tires messing with us help 
30525 re ccw help 44dwarf we started the swap over to mfg baseline last night. holy cow i've never seen 3 inches of preload in a sway bar yup i undid bolt on end arm and allmost lost my fingers. got recomended springs ride heights set now just need tweek cross front end.  then can re-take re-enter data for see what pops out. john. whats deal with pre load is there persentage should shoot asphalt car thanks gang. not today 
30526 re choice of engine oil big bore brad penn 20w 50 in wet sumps. tried many different rotations over the years when it's starting to go brown it comes out. gibbs 10w 30 anything 7500 rpm. change twice a year.  napa wix carquest are same filters for everyones info. stay away from fram on race motors. baldwin also makes nice sb chevy only filter can't recall number. 
30527 spoiler vs rear weight rich walling i've been trying to get my driver reduce the angle or height. he says in past changing created a loose condition. i believe we can more straight way speed by either reducing height and add compensate. does anyone out there have any experiance with this 
30528 re don't wait too long thetech sorry john missed your exchange... just checked in wed at 9 46 my time... i work alot... 14-15 hour days 6 a week... may call you sometime personally to exchange some things rather than do it public domain thingy that is when if can get free time ................................... as noted have great interest this venue... 
30529 no prob j block hey problem. you can always email me too. jb 
30530 re choice of engine oil matt you are not the first person to endorse wix over fram. 
30545 torque converter endplay ja i'm switching out transmissions th350 and on the one installing there is 1 4 inch or more distance between bungs flexplate. i know should be a bit of with but how much too center snout just about hole in crank end. thanks 
30546 re spoiler vs rear weight-please explain 34 adding down force at the of a car with or wing dosent enter into calculation lateral acceleration in cornering like ballast would.  out some sort way to measure your actual negitive pressure you get on trunk lid modifications ...it's guess work .. theres so many variables that come play aerodynamics...and is pretty close being bottom list ...roof hieght and how air funneled spoiler.. it's not un common -especialy short 5 one-is even wind stream ..i am assuming have an newer aftermarket body window..... rember couple years ago those abc bodies got banned from more than one racing sanctioning because they made roof it would collapse flex middle creating valley .....they directly eatly 2000-ish mustang had such high deck view mirror was useless -steve smith- as goes through increases speed aerodynamic downforce square speed. other words 4 x great 80mph 40mph 80 divided by 40 2 squared 
30547 distance trailing arms dennis smith hey i told you guys will be driving crazy rotor to arm 8 12in. yes steve is this 20 year tech still ok or am missing something does it matter. thanks as always 
30548 re torque converter endplay burt brown no less then 1 8 more 3 16 pull up to flywheel mounting pads. check using an drill bit or a bit. 
30549 re distance trailing arms alan i hate to disapoint you--- on port city race cars and other late models the is about 3 inches. 
30550 re spoiler vs rear weight-please explain alan rich i think you are on to something.34 gave a lot of good info. abc bodies there 2 angle's that is offered. use the lesser one. it would take wind tunnel really tell can experiment and let me know out come. believe more weight be helpful in coming off corners. what about trailing arm angles make squat more. deffinatly will some front. luck keep us up date. 
30551 re choice of engine oil alan we use ac filters on dry sump or wet.for shaffer's has been good for us. a friction machine in comparision with mobile 1 shaffers reduced the more and it is only about 7-8 per quart. 
30552 re spoiler vs rear weight-please explain rich walling one of the things we were told about new abc flange fit type bodies is that because increased downforce you should run less weight. under 50 compared to old theory over . asphalt what started my brain cramp. 
30553 re ccw help 44dwarf rained out both fri and sat. we'll try again at the end of week 
30554 re torque converter endplay gene they make crank shims to move the flex plate back. then ya gotta shim starter back also. that means need go a mini so check your rules. 
30555 re torque converter endplay ja thanks 
30570 crate engines devon just wondering if anybody has dyno'd a 604 with 4412 on it 
30571 re lockup vs. non-lockup converters matt thanks burt 
30572 help with 1.6 rockers on a 604 indyracer we are going to replace the 1.5 roller our crate motor. can use guide plates and standard or do have self aligning 
30573 re help with 1.6 rockers on a 604 richard23 if you are asking about legality in most series cant put any period. 
30574 re help with 1.6 rockers on a 604 dennis smith guy put 1 6 his crate motor last year and bent few valves check for clearance. 
30575 re help with 1.6 rockers on a 604 alan i put the self alinament and up graded valve springs my no problems at all. rules changed so had to keep johnsons. used scorpion from competion products. 
30576 bbss caster split 22racing we have changed our asphalt late model to a softer set-up and added pro-dive anti-dive upper control arms where-as i used run them level. set the camber as usual carried on my way. while checking couple of items other day it occurred me that uppers no longer travel in perfectly verticle plane anymore - duh so car enters compression is changing right should put at full check position or are people doing different way power rack usually 3 4 degrees 
30578 re ccw help 44dwarf rained out again.... will try for the 12th 
30579 re help with 1.6 rockers on a 604 joe the votec head they have to be self alligning type only 
30580 off season motor protocols matt what do you guys with your motors during the offseason 
30591 re help indyracer lol no not laid back at all some hot heads. also the track doesn't run series. i did like your discription of a dream though. 
30592 re crate engines big bore a local asa team did two years ago 393 hp out of the box  after rebuilding and cleaning up gm machine work 435hp 
30593 trailing arm angles dennis smith asphalt imca type mod 1 4 and 3 mile tracks link rear with solid upper 10 inch slicks would anybody have a idea as to what start i mean the up down them in-line frame this has probably been answered before but cant find any info. rights are in line is squared front steve says 5 degrees on both just asking for ideas first time that car out will about hours of practice sort things out. sry long post. thanks always your 
30594 re suspension analysis poll todd i don't know what you are thinking but would like to have a program that could enter recorded data from my aqcuisition sytem and see 2 or 3 dimensional model displaying the movements of components.  can alot info in software it be cool actually parts working . 
30595 re trailing arm angles guest driver preference but we start with 2.5 lr 1.5 rr 3 upper. go from there. i wouldn't use steve smith tips too much that's 20 year old tech. if it won't rotate the corner add rr. bite off lr. i've seen 2 degree's and 6 to get rotation.  keep simple first time car will tell you what wants work entry first-across middle off. is radically loose in take upper angle not can stick more for just remember point comes where combined loosen up which spoils whole goal. 
30596 re crate engines rich walling 604 crates with a 4412 will probably not produce 435 hp. ours is rebuilt the 650 4 bbl and got some where around 430 . 
30607 re off season motor protocols matt that sounds like an airtight protocol. thanks. 
30608 re help matt i agree that is a great image. cheech and chong meets stock car racing 
30609 front roll center john doe i have a 80's metric chassis built by winning builder running dirt stock class. street imca hobby stock.  couldn't get any bite out of the lr weight so cut 1 2 coil off lf spring to on scales. end result is changed ride heights and but my car beating rest cars with same builder. handling isn't perfect needs tweaking question 1. should back builders reccomdations 2. will reccomended changes correct problems be different now that thanks 
30610 roll center madness j block just a quick reminder that this month's webinar is wednesday the 9th at 8pm eastern-5pm pacific.  has been lot of fun crushing ol' concept and folks have through session are questioning old way doing business. if want to attend drop be an email get signed up. jb 
30611 re front roll center dirtrunner how do you know couldn't get any bite off the lr what is your car doing cutting spring will make it shorter but makes rate go up. 
30612 re roll center madness dirtrunner e-mail is on the way. 
30613 re front roll center john doe on scales when we assembled the car new could only get max of 60lbs lr bite. would enter a tick tight if i couldn't drive it to apex hard. hard body extreme and loose in middle with no forward drive. even put 13 spring vs. 12 since cant run weight jacks. 
30614 re roll center madness john doe i'm traveling on business at that time any other way i can get it the action. 
30615 re front roll center dirtrunner try reverse stagger do you run a sway bar spacers under the spring 
30616 re front roll center john doe reverse stagger on or rear both  no sway bar if we did it would have to be 100 stock oem and in origninal location. spacers under the spring which one why please explain i see part of but don't fully understand sorry. matter what set-up nor track condition car never has had forward bite when throttle. taller shorter gear makes 0 change. thanks for teaching 
30617 re front roll center dirtrunner open or locked rear bigger tires rf and lf. spacers act like a weight jack bolt on the lr. what springs do you have in car now 
30618 re front roll center john doe locked rear  actually we do have the largest diameter tires on vs. spring rates i will run out to shop look up 
30619 re front roll center dirtrunner put largest on rf.try reverse stagger in rear if you need more lr. 
30620 re front roll center dirtrunner what is your tire pressure 
30621 re front roll center john doe dirtrunner  let me do my homework and i will be on tomm thanks so much for your time 
30622 re roll center madness j block drop me an email thanx 
30623 re roll center madness j block email never made it here pls try again. or just call me 800 647-2392 ext 201 
30624 blowing out power steering fluid ted some background been having issues with as of late. had 2 stock boxes and they kept locking up no assist . changed to z-28 pump still locked up. during a race the box began pumping resevor after heat race. filled correct level ran feature. feature was stiff at various points in track but did not any fluid. same issue 3 different we run for 7 years went lee pump. great all weekend. mulitple practice sessions qualifying. however 4 laps. have remote resevor. are using standard 5.75 pully.  so i am looking ideas what do fix it. does it need more capacity on tank could cause would much by room expansion or little causing foaming then getting air into oil when pulled only 1 full. why spray sorry lengthy just wasnt give details. thanks help. 
30625 re blowing out power steering fluid dirtrunner i used the same stock gear box for 5-7 years without any problems. changed because it was leaking after that started pumping cap on pump . to sweet ps and fixed it. so would try some different fluid. 
30626 re roll center madness dirtrunner lol never e-mailed you yet wife will call tomorrow. 
30627 re roll center madness j block 10-4 
30628 re blowing out power steering fluid mnmale1972 had this problem for a while. we finally started using directly from gm. i do not have the part number but it is cold weather formula. has beeter foaming resistance and higher boiling point. pretty sure synthetic fluid. tried every there is. was only thing to fix it. also added cooler......just lentgh of 3 8 flexible tubing coiled infront radiator.......dropped temp by 40 degrees...... 
30629 three link tech question jeff heres the scoop weve won four straight lapping half feild past two outings but car has developed a left rear inside tire rub mid corner after addition of an extra 2 hundred or so horses last week not bad enuf to put us in pits change we made was j-bar added significant angle. it fast coming off with our small motor 383 is there such thing as too much angle making end travel right at full compression do you guys think can remedy this problem pullbar adjustment run spring loaded and 90-10 shock need experiment biscuit bar be legal for big money race couple weeks just afraid start bolting stuff on till fix problems have 
30630 antidive -control arm mounting mnmale1972 i did some searching in the archives but not find info that pertains exactly to my question so here goes.  have 77 impala stock class car. been told need move front upper control points aid with anti-dive. problem is do understand completely concept of and what it will handling would love take a little more roll out can this help car figure eights turn both ways willing listen standard setup as also run enduros same longer ball joints am ready install want all these cahnges together if beneficial. 
30643 re antidive -control arm mounting dirtrunner 9-22-06 wrote by canuck this may help. 
30644 re three link tech question jeff its rubbing the frame which is tube chasis at about 11 oclock 12 but bar runs an angle rear setup we run similiar to a street stock with swedge tubes and hind joints i just mesured checked rearends center had it jacked up everyway can cant seem replicate exactly what doing...i think im gonna try small spacer if r word stays away....i need find out these buscuit bars so change pullbar on this thing know nothing them there durometor rating one gots 65 dont 
30656 re ccw help update alan if its not one thing another thats what my girlfriend said when her nose began to bleed.lol makes life interesting. you get use the talents god gave you. 
30657 re three link tech question jeff yeah dirt rr flat lr two holes up from 
30706 re throttle safety item ted true you must still have brakes. i would guess the loss of brakes doesn't happen until after hit. so if this helps soften hit then it has done it's job. also that were to loose contact be fronts. can tie switch rear minimize this. and there is always ignition switch. not a 100 fail safe but huge improvement over nothing. require any thought on driver. just think letting go steering wheel while in crash mode something many drivers react to. was wouldn't see cars hitting wall with engine running wide open. nothing fool proof or anything damage at minimal cost us. my thoughts. 
30708 message problems j block sorry for the this week. it appears that a file got corrupted on server and kept tripping naughty word filter even if was blank . problem appeard to be fixed now. proof s happens i think fall in catagory no good deed shall go unpunished humble janitor 
30709 re throttle safety item 44dwarf ya i know there is no safe life....heck you get up to pee at night slip on a sock and bash your head in... just bought two new units off e-bay. 
30710 re 350 vs. 400 rcj the will be a few lbs. heavier 10 to15 .with small chamber heads i don't think giving up lot of low end torque.if track has grip might way to go if it is slick coming off corners better.the best build what cheapest and spend money saved on your chassis. 
30711 re flat track rcj here are my baseline settings on 76 camaro r f caster 6 camber-4 gain .5 per inch bump.004 .006 .008 3inchs of compresion l caster4 camber 2 bump .014 .012 rebound.what your thoughts left side wieght when going from a 15degree 3 8 to 1 
30712 re 350 vs. 400 mnmale1972 is more of a torque monster. but you can't spin them as high. the larger bore helps unshroud valves on large chamber heads. so it depends what max rpms are spinning now and can gear down enough to run 400....... 
30713 re flat track dave left side wieght rules are same for both tracks 56 i wouldent go any higher then 58 on 49 rear 50 51 cr and put as much close you can to front ps thanks your specs ares 
30714 re flat track alan my thoughts are that you will need to increase the lf spring rate and decrease rf . also help car turn add rr sway bar counter larger rear spring. 
30715 re 350 vs. 400 gene the will give you heat problems won't. again if traction is bad probably be easier to drive off corner. 
30716 re flat track dave alan that exactly what were going to do taking lf spring and puting it in the rf with a 50lb split instead 250 rr wasnt sure maybe 25 more pounds thanks 
30718 re technical question on insurance lucifer aka. lou if you're with asa last year they had some information about coverage to and from track. also take a look at kandkinsurance dot com. not cheap... 
30719 re 350 vs. 400 burt brown racing transmissions i have heard by putting the crank into then you a 377 cu in and what is this most favored motor on tracks ever. 
30720 re 350 vs. 400 dirtrunner if you have a good fan shroud the will be fine. 
30721 re 350 vs. 400 jam thanks for the input. i think i'll stick with what have now. 
30722 re tire issues j block jp just thought i'd let you folks know we found out what our problem. the company that supplies track tires has been getting stock where ever they can buy them is compounds have a really big difference in them. now not only problems stagger but need to check compounds. what's compound softness one set of 2 checking at 5 point 1 9 and last 14. realized issue was were within points different car rocket are finally back speeds started year with using bbss setup. won two races likes new sneakers 
30723 chasiss news letters j block howdy just a quickie note to let you all know that i've been building an online technical library and got another 2 years worth of chassis newsletters posted today at www.auto-ware.com techref lib_index.htm it is getting be quite good collection racing materials so check out. enjoy 
30724 asphalt sway bar mounting jam okay still working on getting my sportsman to the track. i want mount howe hollow underneath lower a-arms. question is passenger side where bottom out plate welded of a-arm. correct it seems like remember a two inch long or so bolt and nut olding driver part right i've been this for few years any help would be appreciated 
30725 re three link tech question jeff if i had to guess id say your having rollover issues what spring shock rates ummmm increase j-bar angle by droping a hole on the pinion bracket or move it up chasis keep rearend in center just more you'll acheive.........although much weight rolling over rf will cause push midcorner also.....more info remembered this but mentor of mine always told me make car really dig out drop rr down front from flat ive never tried seemed work best for us 
30726 re asphalt sway bar mounting jam holding not olding after looking at the again i think have it figured out. one side has a hole and doesn't. d'oh 
30727 377 kenneth i ran a in my pure stock very untrue class name btw . absolutely loved it. with 327 350 the grunt just wasn't there when track was tacky. 400 it would smoke 'em off cornr too easy. smooth power all way around. if ever get back full size car it'll definetly have 377. 
30728 re asphalt sway bar mounting swaybar the side with hole goes on passenger side. turned up or slapper end should rub against a plate welded to underside of driver's control arm. is for bolt that runs through and right lower 
30729 re asphalt sway bar mounting jam thanks 
30730 re asphalt sway bar mounting todd i have tried it a couple of different ways and ended up using this passenger side rf mounted with chain about 3 links . the is welded to on one end bolt other end. attaches your control arm. drivers lf used as slapper against plate under right keeps assembly from binding up. only twists when there upwards force found caused some bind. 
30731 lf tire heat ed i have a asphalt modified on 3 8 mile track with 9 degrees of banking . what changes would up the more to balance set 
30732 re lf tire heat j block more you asked for it all on the - stiffer spring lower pressure shock both compression and rebound higher toe-out ackerman weight. may not handle worth a crap but will be smoking best advice i can pass from 39 years of chasin race cars is don't chase numbers look system output. if has ice rr blue we lapped field three times set new record then let be. however thing pushes rf way hotter than are mid pack need to talk about tempratures. 
30733 re lf tire heat todd is the cool because car tight what are 4 temp averages 
30734 re asphalt sway bar mounting alan hey todd i use a bolt welded to both ends of the chain then it can be used on more than one bar. any not using this setup is fooling them selves. 
30735 re lf tire heat ed the seems to be cool by about 50 degrees rf if car is loose or pushing this has been like for 2 years usually mid pack at best. 
30736 re asphalt sway bar mounting jam thanks again guys 
30737 re lf tire heat todd you want to compare the temp lr temp. right side tires will always be hotter. probably not 50 degrees hotter but definitely how does your 
30738 re asphalt sway bar mounting todd thats a good idea to use bolt on both ends. i too ends but my arm connecting is not welded as it screws into the end of arm. we splined 3 piece system. 
30739 re lf tire heat 34 whats the handling issue with car ....what are temps of all tires ...like was stated dont make your temp hotter just because 
30740 panhard bar dennis smith ok guys i dont want to start a debate on what side the should be mine is attached chassis right and it will stay there its asphalt mod 1 4 3 mile track question angle 2in. split from diff up normal for but have seen reverse going diff. says helps rotate car any thoughts or has anybody tried this as always thanks your input 
30741 hyd throw out bearing jim anybody using this i am having problems with the o rings keep leaking. stock type a stop on clutch petal 
30742 looking for gear opinions mnmale1972 i have a chance to run an enduro on large 3 8ths meduim banked track. currently am runninon 1 4 mile with 2.73's and when the other local track 2.56's. this is little larger clay....rather than asphalt. wondering if 2.56's might still work or can expect turn more rpms due dirt surface also what stock gm step down from 2.41 
30743 re hyd throw out bearing gene there are 2 styles if you have a 3 finger style pressure plate it takes one kind diaphragm lots of fingers the other. difference is radius at contact patch. i don't know which need howeracing.com c-534-throw-out-bearings.aspx this should help ya. 
30744 hoosier 970's terry stinson hey guys i'm a small time local racer from the north east selling some tires i got laying aronud garage. have 15 brand new 970 series tires. all one size 27.0x 8.0x 15. offering them for 110 piece or 400 4 just need extra space first come serve 267 446 9486 any questions. thank you 
30745 re panhard bar pacecar the reverse split is used when you're running a very stiff rr spring. 
30746 re hyd throw out bearing racer_dave i use the howe tob's and have never had a problem with them. flat face is for stock type diaphram clutches. round borg beck big three finger or call them ask then you'll get right one sure. make sure to set free play correclty that's usually part that gets messed up lets it drag so spins all time heats prematurely. 
30747 re panhard bar dennis smith hey pacecar yep your rite i forgot that he told was running a stiffer right rear spring is different than what im used to whatever works guess just wondering why. thanks for the in put 
30748 ss bb set up help jam anyone running a streetstock sportsman with bbss i've normally used around 900rf 800lf 200lf 175rr but since we just put new clip on it i'd like to at least try something different.i've got 1 4 bar not sure what springs start with. also heard you need some funky shock combinations. it's leaf spring camaro asphalt weighing 3 000 lbs. thank 
30749 re ss bb set up help jam sorry 200lr. 
30750 re ss bb set up help todd i think it will be tough to run a bbss style setup with leaf springs in the back. if you are stuck leafs might try something like this lf 400 rf 1 4 bar track aroun 10 2 and 11 remember get alot more travel front so check for binding reset static cambers bc lose of camber on gain rf. 
30751 re ss bb set up help swaybar todd there generally is not a track bar on leaf spring car. i know of guys that have run almost soft street stock camaros at our but they did get faster. if you can't make changes to really correct bump steer shock mounting and camber curves would personally stick with more conventional setup. 
30752 re hyd throw out bearing swaybar i use the quarter master throwout for a stock clutch - best setup have ever used. when o-rings start to leak just replace them but that is not very often. 
30753 re hyd throw out bearing jim i have the stock type also but to shim tranny 1 4in from bellhousing or clutch slips. taken measurements that they say and still no good. 
30754 re hyd throw out bearing gene bingo there is the problem. shimming tranny a poor way to solve your figure what holding that 1 4 inch. if its snout just put it lathe and take inch off or are you using isn't made for application too big work 
30755 re hoosier 970's matt do you have any cooper cobras how about a tire that is 225 70 on 14 
30756 re hyd throw out bearing guest22 what kind of clutch are you using i had the same problem a few years ago. wasn't all matching parts and also to shim it an extra 1 4 . bell housing though no problems after. need have at least 16-1 8 free play. some clutches actually extend fingers in higher rpm for more clamping force. howe stock throw0out used 5 never any issues with leaks. 
30757 re ss bb set up help todd i probably would too...i was just saying if were to try a soft setup on that type of car..that is what start at. we are running 350's front in our street stock. the car has camaro clip oem frame rails and jack bolts at all 4 corners. softer go better turns. 
30758 no left front spring mnmale1972 i have been told about a late model racer that races with spring. now at first thought someone was pulling my leg but they seemed pretty serious. so question is has anyone heard of this and how would you make kind setup work 
30759 re no left front spring todd i think mark martin did something with a 3 car back in the old days. am not sure how it was setup. maybe somebody else knows... 
30760 re no left front spring rich walling actually mark martin used a 3 set up with out rear spring. i had the experiance of shock mount breaking loose. car became undrivable. year or two later we broke righ and really couldn't tell much difference. it was on big car. make you own conclusion. lot guys are running bump stop systems so guess anything may be possible. 
30761 re no left front spring ted mark did it at winchester without the rr spring. set a track record with that way. said he couldn't get enough bite and there was nothing on while sitting in pits so just pulled out. this pre-coilovers. now being coil overs rear springs were closer together you could put cross to unload but still have weight it. an independant i don't see how go lf would like one. 
30762 re technical question on insurance gene abconsult.ca. these guys might be able to help 
30763 texas enduros ron schuur does anyone know were the run at in north east 
30764 re hyd throw out bearing swaybar i think these bearings are intended to be used with rear motor mounts sandwiched between the bell housing and block - that provides spacing needed get correct clearance. 
30765 re no left front spring swaybar i would think a bump stop setup with free play might be the ticket this idea. basically act as spring. any thoughts 
30766 re no left front spring mnmale1972 that was my first question....does it have bump stops and his response no. i doing some search on the internet found talk about racing shocks with a bladder in them....use add nitrogen to set ride heights......wondering if is what he doing. head am thinking of 4 legged stool........what would take make stay level support more weight rear....... ok this way too much.... 
30767 re bump stops 44dwarf fyi. the orginal mini came riding on what looks like stops. no spring just ruber cones. they are availible in diffrent rates too. 44 
30768 re bump stops big bore mark did that trick in his asa days and a few tried it around here. was the rr spring. some of street stockers were are closer to old 70's-80's lm chassis's down 100 still loose off. ran without rr. couple other mods made but can't recall what they were. 
30769 re no left front spring rich walling brain f a r t alert. i meant it had only the rear right rear. most of us who ran mid-american cars made sure was just touching weight jack gap pre load before sending car out for race. 
30770 re bump stops ted i actually had the rr fall out of my mod during a race after being hit in rear. began smoking due to body rub. was black flagged few laps and dad asked me why stayed so long response uhh did you happen notice passing more cars afterwords than before . we took this info reworked set up prevent 
30771 re hyd throw out bearing jim i spoke to the tech guy and he said it was not un common have space tranny.i did change pressure plate new one is 1 4 in thickere than old which means a thicker spacer now. with stock type bellhousing dont see how can that from motor 3 8. mounts. 
30772 re hyd throw out bearing gene the retainer snout that sides on should be able to have enough extra material cut off so you can get clearance. i never had shim a tranny back somewhere an odd ball part. do after market or oem 
30773 re hyd throw out bearing jim quarter master stock style 
30774 re hyd throw out bearing gene is it setting square on the snout check arm that prevents from spinning around to make sure not hanging up or holding off square. in any event you should shim tranny back for clearance. 
30777 re hyd throw out bearing jim gene everything is sitting square. the only thing i can figure thickness of pressure plate. they say there should be some play between face and clutch fingers right now with spacer just about spin freely. this a stock 
30778 re hyd throw out bearing dan hersey aftermarket flywheels are thinner. maybe that's the distance you need. 
30779 re bump stops lm15 if a stiff enough sway bar was used that solid linked on both sides it could work. otherwise you'd be relying bind occurring somewhere no bump-stop used. possibly an internal stop in the shock. i'm kind of interested who this guy is since minnesota area as well. honestly just sounds like another gimmicky setup maybe fast sticker tires one day at track. we spent better part test playing around with super late. rebound lf and rf didn't make much difference. car lost lot entry stability though. 
30780 re hyd throw out bearing guest being tghe tight spending person i am have found that using a clutch cable for mid 90's honda and little fab work. this system has worked 5 years now with one breakeage. cost 15.00 can buy alot of those as apposed to hydraulic clutch. 
30781 no swaybar matt 81 camaro that runs on a high banked 1 2 mile dirt oval fast track. rf is 1100 lf 900 swaybar. we took the out and it feels like handles better. does anyone have any ideas about vs. spring thread got me thinking. if those sping rates seem heavy i want to add rf1300 moved over there then put into lf. handled dream until my buddy wrecked badly. 
30782 roll center j block it's madness time. this wednesday at 8pm eastern we will hold our webinar on centers the greatest lie in racing . want to see why books and magazines are wrong email or call 505 890-8708 ext 201 sign up. 
30783 re no swaybar dirtrunner you had a 1300 rf with sway bar 
30784 re no swaybar matt yeah i had idea what was doing. heard people say that the would not do anything with a spring stiff. 
30785 re no swaybar dirtrunner the sway bar will effect it even with a that big. where do you run and what banking is 
30786 re ss bb set up help jam thanks for the responses. i may go a little softer and see what happens.. 
30787 left rear tire cold perky run a super stock on paved 1 3 mi. and cant get good forward bite with metric chassis... wont any heat in the 980 hoosier slick..... front roll center are close to being line have tried up 1200 lb. rf spring 250 but still where near lf temp shows it ...... 
30788 re left rear tire cold dirtrunner the roll centers are close to be in line with http www.auto-ware.com autoware-bin techarchive.pl noframes read 18531 this. 
30789 re left rear tire cold perky i calculated the front and roll centers using performance trends software..... working with 2 1 deg. dive are closely aligned.... not looking to start a pissing match just for suggestions on get some heat in my lr tire..... explaining what have done so-far.. thanks 
30790 re left rear tire cold ted still don't know what you mean by aligned are talking laterally vertically but to get more heat in lr weight cross lower rc stiffer shock less rebound on rf spring. also depends the track layout banking etc. how compared does it compare lf or 
30791 front end same rim offsets backspacing chris hello well ive noticed quite a differences in few cars our club. dwarf use different rims on the left and right however lately i have of faster club using right. by mean for instance both are 1 backspacing. we race 3 8 mile oval paved tracks very little banking. 1. my question is if they running length a-arms from to symetrical chassis what pro's con's this setup 2. going with staggered chassis....right side tires spaced as far away possible am redoing car wanted get some info before started. thanks 
30792 re no swaybar matt lebanon valley speedway west ny.i am not sure on the banking would 37 degrees sound realistic to you it is wicked banked. 
30793 asphalt car fuel cell location chris on an dwarf car. weight is approximately 1240 pounds. 1. where the best or better for a to be latterly in chassis my 4 gallon currently located back left of and this position as race goes would become loose... im woundering if having centered contact patches idea ideas please thanks 
30794 re asphalt car fuel cell location 44dwarf wow finaly another dwarf racer...and pavment racer at that centered would be better i've had them both ways. centerd worked the best but i to add balast weight in lr get percentages back. 
30795 re front end same rim offsets backspacing 44dwarf big mess with scrub radius and can make the car harder to turn. i run one jaxport even on another homebuilt 3.5 rf a 1 lf gain left side weight . home built has much more steering feed back but get arm pump after 25 laps. could turn my willy it turns so easy. 44 
30796 re no swaybar rich walling if you relate a clock not digital to race track and place the hour hand at 9 o'clock minute 3 it would be flat track. now minutes after have 36 degrees of banking. that's bunch. 
30797 re left rear tire cold perky when i say aligned mean the roll center in front and of car are same distance to right centerline chassis 1 2 between contact patch tires understand 
30798 re left rear tire cold dave whats your tracks banking what is cross now and weight 
30799 re left rear tire cold perky banking is 6 - 8 and im currently running 51.5 cross 46.7 3100lb. metric chassis hoosier slick .....57 side rule at 56.8 
30800 re front end same rim offsets backspacing chris thanks for the reply 44dwarf you said i run one car jaxport with even on what are running your jaxsport and rear do notice any other performancing gains fl fr than scrub radius easier to turn 
30801 re asphalt car fuel cell location chris dwarfs are going away these days it seems lol now when you say centered talking in the chassis or between contact patchs 
30802 re front end same rim offsets backspacing 44dwarf not sure on what the exact offset is. i picked up jax last fall and haven't bought rims for it yet. they opened car width rule year. had allways been 60 inches at sidewall to well somehow voted change 60.5 outer bead seats. my jax's is 59.5 sidewalls. so over winter i'll be buying too need figure out do with too. 44 
30803 re asphalt car fuel cell location 44dwarf good question i don't recall...it was a few cars back now. i'll try to dig on the old computer and find some pics see. i'm out of mass but race in northern nh you 
30804 re left rear tire cold dave are you running at mountain speedway can u get anymore like 49 this is what i would start with springs 1100lf 1150rf 300lf 225rr 11 8bar 2-3in of stagger 2in in front if run a panhard bar then wouldn't them cant your up try less cross and more lr spring been as high 350lr low as150rr the same time shocks now 
30805 re left rear tire cold perky yes it is mt.speedway .... we're running a 950 lf 1050 rf and 225 lr. 200rr now with 5 valve shocks on the 6 7 for no panhard bar this dave from shadow 
30806 re left rear tire cold dave ill be comming up to your track sunday and the springs i told you are ones im running driving 51street stock ran a 7shock on rf last yr when was there this going with 6c 3r trying get more forward bite spring how much treavl do u have from telling me would go stiffer lr until car pushs bring welcome try them 
30807 re asphalt car fuel cell location chris west coast of canada myself... 
30808 re asphalt car fuel cell location 44dwarf chris. you do know about www.dwarfcarracing.com right some good tech over there but not allot of design and engineering knowledge as here. 
30809 re left rear tire cold perky i'll stop over and see ya tomorrow then good talking to you ...... 
30810 re left rear tire cold dirtruner more rebound on the lf will also help forward bite. 
30811 re no swaybar matt like i said it is known for its banking but don't know the numbers. 
30812 re asphalt car fuel cell location chris yah i go to dwarfcarracing a bit.....some of our club hangout there and like be secretive lol so i'm careful what ask over there... but as you said way better info here 
30813 aero push rcj street stock style dirt track 76 camaro 3200lbs 27x10 hoosier 3035 asphalt take offs 525hp 350cid have won at 4 different tracks this year and the car always responds predictably to changes.we removed 10 inch clutch trans put a bert in for big race out off town.crashed bad.cut body from rear axle back build late model tail.this added 12 spioler raised it around 8 .added 70lbs right above center make wieght because of bert. made 57 rear.pushed like dump truck did not respond any thing we did.did spoiler more down force behind unload front 
30814 re aero push j block what was your rear before the change also crash in back and that is why you cut it there finally did do to frame 
30815 re aero push rcj 55.4 rear the wheel wieghts were close to our baseline settings first time we set it on scales checked 4 alginment.i replaced about 2 foot of r frame i have did this repair in past with no problems .after thinking for a day am going check binding f and l also remove spring it.twice year been at track having good run then knock nose car slows down stop watch.that is what got us think trying get spoiler as high wide could. 
30816 re aero push todd my guess would be the increased rear weight caused handling to change. that is a big change in percentage. 
30817 re asphalt car fuel cell location 44dwarf ya i don't tell to many poeple hang out here. 
30818 re asphalt car fuel cell location chris contact me if you want email above 
30819 re aero push j block i'm thinking along the same lines as todd. a drastic from these changes must be mechanical. having been in wind tunnel and seeing numbers not those bogus magazines i really can't see it being aero. granted may have tipped ballance but big ol' dump truck all by its self. 
30820 re aero push rcj the only thing i have found is r spring has lost arch when free standing.if gone soft that should make car tighter plus if created more downforce wouldn't force go to stiffer 225l 200r what they be .what kind of numbers typical my spioler 6 x66 at55degrees with a .250 gurney flap 85mph max speed 
30821 re aero push todd forget the idea of aero...it's just not going to make that much a difference and cause handling issue. rr spring could it be tighter...but i would suspect didn't change rate so drastically such huge difference. think about rear weight...you have added significant percentage rear. how weight transfers through corner from front you will find probable culprit. 
30822 a question about load transfer paul kish you pull 2 g's and there's 100 lb increase in on the rr tire. next lap again but were able to better utilize lr tire by 10 . does still recieve even though use more 
30823 re aero push dirtrunner when you replaced the rr frame rail did put shackle back at same angle try lowering rear to what it was before crash 
30824 re aero push lucifer aka. lou try putting that 70 lbs low in the lf. 
30825 re aero push rcj i.ve installed a new 225lbs r spring moving 35lbs from above the rear end to center of car which will lower it about 10 build front valance that extends 5 farther forward made spioler easily adjustable.our practice day was rained out. 
30826 re a question about load transfer todd how do you know these numbers or is this just hypothetical 
30827 re a question about load transfer paul kish just hypothetical the is if you use lr more with same total g's it possible to still have on rr i think not and must be reduced but don't know that's why posted question. 10 100 lbs were numbers. 
30828 re a question about load transfer rich walling here is hypothetical. if the car weighs 3200 lbs and wheel weights are 800lbs. each you transfered all weight 100 to right side left would 0 be 3200lbs. probably tip over. i don't think can get anymore than what already there. 
30829 re a question about load transfer todd i think it depends on what you do to the setup of car control where weight transfers. if just change at rear put 10 more lr from rr then...no couldn't still have same rr. now somehow changed gain without taking ie front numbers etc. then...yes could while keeping same. 
30830 re a question about load transfer todd remember the same amount of weight will no matter what you do to setup....but can control where by making adjustments car. 
30831 re a question about load transfer ted you are correct short of changing the g's track width wheelbase or cgh cannot change total weight transfer. so becomes how did improve lr by 10 springs cross panhard etc start out with more does it end up 
30832 chassis info galore j block if you have been keeping up with mark's newsletters i've just finished posting the remainder of them at www.auto-ware.com techref lib_index.htm it is worth spending some time reading these as early ones really good stuff for short track racers. 
30833 pinion angle help dirtrunner the on a lowered s10 pick up is 3 degrees uphill. it should be 1 degree down if i put 4 wedge in . this correct 
30834 602 crate break-in swaybar do the motors require typical flat-tappet procedures or are they already run in from factory there is nothing literature that comes with motor about procedures. 
30835 re 602 crate break-in rich walling the rings need to be seated. we just run rotella 15-40 for first race. 
30836 re chassis info galore chris thanks john 
30837 re pinion angle help gene should be real close. 
30838 answer to a question about load transfer gene rich rock hanging from string weighs 1 lb. when you spin the over your head pulling on increases until breaks. same thing must happen race car. i have no idea how figure this out nor apply it improve lap times. would just add some stagger. 
30839 re answer to a question about load transfer paul kish awwww... but the rock is not spinning on one string it's four and make it easier look at rear two for rr lr. what my asks if you pull back that attached lr by 10 as in adding grip same amount of still being applied all math assumes g's increase there must be additional rr. i'm thinking calculated incorrect assumptions. an produce use how changes controls transfer. does follow first have available or gain loose allow change physical weight application can directly alter cannot because present before occur. 
30840 re answer to a question about load transfer ted i guess am still bit confussed on your question. you say gain 10 the lr. what do mean weight traction grip and how are gaining this 
30841 re answer to a question about load transfer rich walling gene i have john's computerized chassis weights and there is no weight gained at 1.2 g's. the transfered from one side goes other but total stays same. if car was on string would be increased times think my physics professor called centripital force. that 40 years ago....maybe i'm confused.lol 
30842 re answer to a question about load transfer paul kish the car is not on just one string. if all four wheels are being used it's strings. like marionet swung around and operated rock 
30843 re answer to a question about load transfer ted the car does not gain weight as long there isn't any banking. add banking and total on all 4 tires goes up. 
30844 re answer to a question about load transfer paul kish it has nothing do with weight gain. my assumes the total is same because g's did not increase. it's can amount of rr if use lr increased. no then cannot occur unless gives up grip. yes over all on tires does increase an in be increased banking speed or making tighter turn but i posed stated remain only change being was better used by 10 . means me more available grip lr. guess should have word for 'better'. i'm arguing point also know am correct and that why asked... learn. 
30845 found my aero numbers j block sorry for the delay had to dig through laptops but here are some real numbers. you mentioned 80mph as max i looked tunnel and a cup car pre cot depending on configuration rear down force ranged between 75 125 pounds. would expect them be better than short track because we really worked hard with crush pannels things get top just fun look from indy lights did last year that biggest 3 element wing cranked position 1.5 wicker one combined ground effect tunnels at 80 mph only 280 pounds of force. reason mention this is give world not bs 600 pound in magazines. question these what speed doing corner good chance have somewhat less 100 aero. like todd said suspect mechanical your culprit. 
30846 rich's answer to a question about load transfer gene we are in the same boat rich. i'm confused also when driver told me all this hi-tech stuff i cured problem with stagger add some take out. disappears somehow. but those that can and do work these problems out well say is was my prime thank god word computer had not been printed dictionary. racing wasn't business it way advertise your raced on junk yard tires smoked unfiltered cigarettes drank beer raised hell then towed car home chain. 
30847 re chassis info galore josh k. thanks john i have them all from about 2005 till present many good ones to add the collection. for posting other and links on that page as well. 
30848 re answer to a question about load transfer josh k. hey paul welcome the war board from 7k crew... i think lr could be loaded more and not decrease rr by changing front shocks allow weight rear tires while also maybe using stiffer spring bar in our case now granted this would only come into effect middle off oh wait not... forgot that big thing above drivers head wich when starting turn. of course is all thrown out if your considering aero effect. things like seem easy understand then you start thinking it second guess self. guys had car going pretty well there towards end year. what are doing next year any plans yet posted my email drop me line sometime. 
30849 re found my aero numbers rcj thanks for the info.is there a formula to see what downforce at different speeds.i ended up with 225 r 250 l 56.2 rear sway bar and air pressures set on loose.had new wieght mounts behind if needed.started in back of our qualifier won.start pole tonight.car was litttle loose middle will make adjustment 
30850 re chassis info galore j block did i miss any 
30851 re found my aero numbers j block so what made the change from dump truck push to a little loose yes i can convert downforce for different speed but need area and cd. 
30852 re chassis info galore josh k. no john i was referring to the ones before 2005 that didn't have yet. lol it's ok a guilty consuance sp we will let you slide. 
30853 why is nobody at my track running this crate amut i want to run motor. but else is. just moved area. i'm possibly going late model next year a local track. some of their motor rules... no vortec heads 4412 carb stock exhaust manifolds intake 9.4 compression max 9.5 illegal they allow the gm circle engine 350 400hp 88958604 alum fast burn hi rise 9.6 headers 650 4bbl holly and its only 5 300 what am missing weight off top front car alone should be worth 1-2 tenths wouldnt you think new guy doing something completely different are in cave copy each other seems like brainer. whats your thought 
30854 re why is nobody at my track running this crate dennis smith well i would just run the thing and forget what every body else doing 
30855 re why is nobody at my track running this crate dennis smith sry about the fast response i am against motors and they are kind of stuck in cam tech where as can put a big over lap if want to pass comp rule just one example. 
30856 re why is nobody at my track running this crate indyracer i'm a budget racer and it was the best 5500 i've spent to go raceing. 3 years of dependable 400 hp i can spend on chaseing setup. btw when you rebuild put asa stuff in find yourself 430 or so. depending watched motors win against 500+ super series cars. 
30857 re why is nobody at my track running this crate amut see what i mean 3years know it gets a little faster as loosens up also. talking with top 5 late model racer he's sales rep and thinks dont anything local racing he-he he spends 3000 every year just to freshin his motor up. but how much can you get from cast iron bowtie heads intake stock exhaust manifolds guess i'll have be the guy try something different again called all sorts of names for being outside box. previous years... no way 305 winning races if runnig g-body metric 108 wb chassis max cid now they made illegal. thanks reply 
30858 re found my aero numbers todd so it sounds like you moved some of that weight from the rear up to middle car. would lead me believe helped cure push....correct 
30859 re found my aero numbers rcj imo the lip that back wnidow sat in deflects air from spoiler so i might of had 0 pounds downforce.100lbs force added wieght 20 race old spring all combine to kill springs and creat a push.after seeing spioler made looked at pictures car racing decided front valance was flexing could be making lift.i built real extreme valance.the drive said stuck track feel like never before. 
30860 re answer to a question about load transfer ted ok so if you are stating that getting 10 more grip on the lr without adding weight not sure how is possible but assuming it then with constant 2 g's and no other change there will be in rr. as did preveously. car may handle same additional grip. would depend were using all was avialable start lr. had sever push wasted. at limit previously still g turns mid turn speed available for acceleration tighter exit looser entrance. given cgh track width 4 inch wide treaded tires or 14 slicks. 
30861 re found my aero numbers rcj i didn't add a lot of downforce as much stopped lift or got the in to range it should be in.then just readjusted car work with new numbers.got track find that they inverted finishing order put us 4 row outside.got lead by halfway.was pulling away when freaking piece s t msd coil died.i've been down dumps all day.this was an old tradtional race gives you bragging rights.dang 
30862 re found my aero numbers todd well first congrats on the car running so well. that is ultimate goal. second it doesn't sound like you were wondering if was push. already made up your mind and just trying to convince yourself. i still don't think had anything do with it....but matter what think....as long as got result looking for good job. 
30863 re found my aero numbers todd also just to add something...i don't think you are getting anywhere near 100 pounds of downforce in the rear. look at john's on cup and indy cars. now about your car track it is running on. only reason i bring this attention that even though ran better...i have learned important thing reallize what made car's handling go right direction. case weight maybe spring were probably factors. 
30864 re outlaw winged sprints rich walling the sprint cars come to our track once a year. this is 1 2 mile 11 degree that late models turn 19.5 20.5 seconds. in low 16's. anyway competitors car was pushing badly during hot laps. he moved wing forward and made an angle adjustment qualified either 1st or second finished race. were dialed never lifted. wow.............. 
30865 re outlaw winged sprints todd now that is understandable. those wings are huge and play a large part in the handling. i don't know what their downforce numbers are...but bet they pretty big for such light car. 
30866 re outlaw winged sprints 34 i think that aero is a huge piece of the unknown puzzle yet to be tapped into ...comparing cookie cutter egg-shaped cup cars we race isnt doing this topic justice ...apples and oranges ...it's an easy theory tinker with...just by taking hood off from my lms car lost 2-10ths... 
30867  j block aero is blamed anytime the problem not obviously related to something else. it perfect you can't see even smell and can only measure with data acquisition or a wind tunnel which very few people have access are keeping secrets . every flipping idiot has been racing announcer blames first all time missleading public. if we hear enough times on tv then must be true correct what never said by experts that forces speed squared in function happens at 80 mph one tenth force 180 why else does big jet sit ground storm but fly 200 back '85 took hood off an indy car went way slower. would say well of course cars critical. however were testing firebird where drag strip was longest straight otherwise grar. so really impacting areo. because turbo inlet restricted cool outside air hot reaching killed power aka now sure outlaw 25 sqft wing side boards bigger than stock quarter panel mounted 6' will play part performance. short tracks last little tick dump truck push loose. 
30868 re outlaw winged sprints gene great point john when it comes to air speed 80mph is a small percentage of 180mph. that's why airplanes are fat in front and taper towards the back. for plane fly all its gotta do shove some out way lot 'em by trying screw chunk wood into ever watch an isma super mod http www.ismasupers.com those top wings rotate become flat on straights then tilt up down force corners. 
30869 re 34 maybe just as ..or even more critical to the equation of 80mph bench mark is initial shape ...the egg shaped cup cars are pretty good aerodynamicaly compared brick on wheels a street stock benefit tweeking aerodynamics would be substantial with power limited car like this. at speeds below this thread was about aero improve rear traction than make slippery in air stream ...which what wing supers do correct ... an angle corners for ..then goes flat straights reduce wings drag 
30871 re todd i will give you an example of something we tried with areo. it was a stock car on asphalt. 3 8 mile high banked. abc style bodywork. our average speed around 100 mph. local track won't let us run rear spoiler but the above allows too up to 6 inch in rear. so naturally put one car. ran pretty darn well little tight. thought would try remove spoiler. process here some downforce thus loosen little. result...we didn't notice hardly any difference. quickly back don't know why probly just cause looks cool...lol and concentrated mechanical grip. am not saying that aero doesn't play part can make difference at short speeds think plays huge part. much rather spend my time working out grip than bunch tweeking valance or 
30872 re rcj you can view a picture of our car at www.prowlerdesigns.com chick on online then click 10-10-09 10-16-09 oms 2009 race 28 all orange and white number 47 camaro page 8.you see before photos in 24.as this was big change. 
30873 re todd after looking at the photos of aero changes...i am more convinced than before that was not cure for your problem. 
30874 re 34 todd it sounds like your rear spoiler wasnt in the air stream. a 6 can make huge difference. rember late 90's early 2000 abc mustang bodies that got around rule by raising quarters and trunk lid so high you couldnt see out window not only did this trick put stream but also muliplied leverage effect of spoiler. 
30875 re rich walling when the abc bodies came out we lessened rear because of aero effect template bodies. my driver is adiment sp about effects spoiler. this year had a problem during practice where car was pretty much destroyed but no suspension frame dammage. patched it together to qualify spoiler flopping in breese. said terminally loose and qualified last. after tech officals made us redo our repair so back at original position won feature. went from 6 1 2 5 loosened an entry through corner . mechanically adjust make up difference height. 
30876 re lm15 if you really believe the aero changes are helping then that's fine. it's giving a mental advantage. personally i'd say 95 of handling difference noticed is mechanical due to weight change spring fatigue and frame repair. other 5 being from your upgrade. be quite honest gains found just in head last might downforce improvements. point whatever gives confidence drive harder worth doing. but we don't go fast enough at these little bull rings worry about aero. when you're hanging body on car doing everything can gain minimize drag once get track focus grip. 
30877 re todd well said lm15. it's true when i hang my bodies definitelyl make sure to do everything can get downforce and reduce drag...but that is pretty much the end of it. if you are already screaming fast maybe looking for a slight little edge then goof around with some aero stuff. now have handling issues need be addressed car feel right balanced...aero just not going magic cure all. actually good word it bc thought seems play tricks on people. especiall in mind driver. would willing bet strapped driver took off spoiler without him knowing it...he notice difference. knows missing or damaged..then his might start playing him. remember this short track lower speed applications. higher speeds bigger spoilers wings more important gets. but..whatever makes ya go faster good....even takes 
30878 re please indulge me rich walling i'm a little confused. which isn't hard these days but if my car is going 77 mph in the middle of corner and there 50lbs aero weight on rear what difference between that hanging bumper or when we are at around 120mph straights shouldn't be even higher i know most racers not rocket scientists have heard from quite few spoiler does make difference. maybe they all nuts. 
30879 re please indulge me rcj that is what i am working out an answer to.imo the downforce has no inertia so you can't think of it like just adding 50lbs to tail.downforce always pushes sraight down in never transferes a different wheel. 
30880 re answer to a question about load transfer paul kish sr quote ok so if you are stating that getting 10 more grip on the lr without adding weight not sure how is possible but assuming it then with constant 2 g's and no other change there will be in rr. i agree your reply above each rear tire glued track able carry what ever applied it. don't think tires state of 100 grip. they varying states 0 slip. because constantly slipping griping any gain at one must cause an equal loss maintain g s. many things which can much 'needed grip' obtain given used by tire. this case rr has lost my opinion longer or 'get' same amount transfered even though car g's. oval racer solid axle two different diameters. only time factor over slip when travel perfect circle dictated diameter construction. left turn race cars under those conditions very small portion any. another thing include picture we interested maintaining sort constant. causing happen particular delaying from occurring. first something while traveling benefit potential second delay happening until detrimental. again yes i'm arguing kind doing hopes arguements defeated confirmed i'll learn 
30881 re please indulge me j block true aero down force is like weight but there no inertia effect with yaw and stuff. however by the nature of our game we need most at slowest point in corner. highest occurs fastest spot on straights. religion you are going to get some strong debates based belief as very few folks have access real measurement. just trust old guy that has been wind tunnel a advocate data acq. short track stock car if i put an dohicky my it draw your attention away from what m really doing beat you. for fun how much mud equals 50 pounds maybe waxing does improve 
30882 virginia swap meets nick odell kinda new to va and curious if anyone knows of racer swaps in or nc. thanks advance 
30883 re please indulge me rich walling interesting segment on mythbusters tonight. they actually made a full size car have dimples like golf ball. did back to tests with slick and dimpled one. the result was an 11 increase in mpg car. 'ya think nascar would allow this 
30884 re answer to a question about load transfer ted no problem arguing uhhh discussing the issue. it gets me thinking as well. i may not be right and maybe learn something. anyway here is my take you are trying maintain constant g changing grip level match. but in reality that determines level. we want maximize g's maintain. agree tires between 0 100 varies. now just because have an increase one does mean will decrease another. depends on what caused increase. for example if were running 6 wide treaded put 12 slick lr would go up without rr going down. also adding camber could add affecting rr. correcting air pressures gain grip. was limiting factor limit got raised thus extra can used of this up. doesn't continue turn at same maximizing potential. another thing consider tire weight linear. had 1000 lbs mid by 550 each during your cornering capability rear even though total same. again corner faster raising g's. note all cases something changed however front having additional get much far speed. been due once speed factor. increased expense less than before can't had. typical race asphalt has maximum thrust 5-7 slippage. argue sorry couldn't resist. told how don't accept way or said so. john says so think he where off. fun. 
30885 re answer to a question about load transfer paul kish sr quote this is only for fun and learning nothing personel involved argue that i ll with your post later when have time pick it apart. but in the mean offer following thought. found on site. http www.auto-ware.com setup 3.htm dirt track chassis set-up at rear cornering race cars can be very difficult set up. depending condition of driving style there two different approaches tuning. as long tires near 1 traction ground you should up car like an asphalt see page . however if apply opposite lock steering turning wheel right drive throughout corner balancing throttle then use tuning tips page. weights are sliding or spinning single largest factor affecting bite grip each tire. tire most weight gets bite. could think least amount m thinking might describe high thought process verses mine. difference was once explained me manner. books written based real cars. we don t definition our discussion pavement needs turn left right. oval both lto must operate within laws physics root one other slip. thoughts rooted also probably from front perspective first. slip goal balanced so accelerate which causes approach different. 
30886 re answer to a question about load transfer paul kish sr ps up front i hope this is as much fun for you read it me write. quote ted no problem arguing uhhh discussing the issue. gets thinking well. may not be right and maybe learn something. were on same page anyway here my take are trying maintain constant g changing grip level match. your correct except at particular tires maximize use of tire so can accomplish specific job that needs done. s total all four permits what ever able achieve. only relates any given point track needed apply maximum hp or momentum. an ongoing process constantly being done out track. but in reality determines level. does determine allows we want g's maintain. under some circumstances others when momentum incorrect. agree between 0 100 varies. thank you. now just because have increase one mean will decrease another. yes means exactly that. please note m singling opposed loss . far rear go important consider work towards rr maintaining gaining lr. though two seem hand they mutually exclusive each other. edit think was confusing i'm leaving way first wrote it. depends caused increase. example if running 6 wide treaded put 12 slick lr would without going down. said other argument with above statement. also adding camber could add affecting rr. correcting air pressures gain grip. limiting factor limit got raised thus extra used up. doesn't continue turn maximizing potential. see previous where thought enters even obtain amount time spent factor. another thing weight linear. had 1000 lbs mid by 550 during cornering capability same. again corner faster raising g's. linear small change solving non results. cases something changed recognized while reading post noted however having additional get speed. been due once speed increased expense less than before can't had. interesting sort balanced setup not. typical race asphalt has thrust 5-7 slippage. sounds like into slip ratio kidding again. argue sorry couldn't resist. know doing years told how don't accept so. john says he off. fun. don t too new who 
30887 re paul kish sr there are two ways to fly. one is by using aerodynamics and the other brute force. winged sprint cars use both ways. they fly an upside down wing pushing chassis of car towards track on straights according how suspension adjusted. bill boards with force into wind making over in turn. rest simply controling return or todays setups partial non make it ready for again straights. 
30888 blah gene john makes his living developing software and then sells it to earn a this is site. he nice enough guy allow darn near free range with the posts. we respect that sort of self police ourselves my keeping from becoming for sale or name calling deal. after time some us have become friends might post inside humor what not. consider basic overview site as i see it. thanks 
30889 panhard questions 22racing asphalt lefthander late model 3 8 mile paved 12' banking. quickchange rear-end with front bar attached to chassis on right side. my question is if you look at car from the top runs an angle mount left axle tube forward chassis. should be perfectly perpendicular centre line or it ok that its already 9 long 
30890 re panhard questions swaybar the angle in top view as you describe it is not a problem. new lh and port city chassis have quite bit of built into design. our older had same mounts yours was angled just like yours. 
30891 re blah paul kish sr thank you and i hope my comments have been within what is generally accepted on this board. i'm getting closer every day god to being an old man as such seem get longer winded. when write greatest that someone tells me full of it explains why then learn something from it. do like argue thoughts. but it's because ignorance wanting help others through discussion hard head which takes a long time new things changes sunk into probably addicted racing use be side town no matter where lived had gas station or two with race car parked out back. today how mom pop businesses pushed can run down the corner bs about racing. board one stations today. appreciate would not want anything hurt its support addiction. 
30893 re blah gene just wanted to give ya a heads up. no problem and yeah corner gas stations are thing of the past 
30894 re panhard questions pacecar the garc grand american race car - frankie grill has been using this design very successfully for several years. don't know why it works so well but does. 
30895 re panhard questions dirtrunner http www.lefthanderchassis.com 2009newcar.html 
30896 re panhard questions 22racing its funny the new designs on lefthander car in link posted aren't so at all huh i can't see how bar is attached to rear-end angle mine isn't anywhere near that aggressive you would think ball of hime joint bind bolt if they have used a standard axle mounted clamp bracket. 
30897 big block ford wilf would a work in imca type mod 
30898 re big block ford paul we have a guy out here running 429 in his. he runs pretty good. uses it because most guys run chevys and won't claim him. 
30899 re big block ford dirtrunner there was one mod that had a motor in ohio where i run he ran very well. top 5-7 the 5 are chevy's. http www.cnc-motorsports.com product.asp prodid 25090 ctgid 22980 
30900 tubing rcj is there a chart that shows if i have been using 1 3 4 x.095 mild steel what thickness chromoly will the same strength at diameter. 
30901 re big block ford guest we ran a 500 cid cadilac motor won 7 races in row 4 features 3 heats and it top notch for us. was good conversation piece. everyone mistaking ford. 
30902 re panhard questions big bore the benson's john sr jr have been doing this for years. johnny sr's front load quickchange necessitates angled towards rf of car. he claims better bite due to prybar effect. not sure math works but performances his lm are pretty good in great lakes areas. 
30903 dodge diesel gene while changing the oil today i thought i'd take a look at air cleaner. only to discover that for second time some rodent has made it his home. this cut stainless mesh cover opening is in inner fender well think he uses as an open door. just heads up cummings owners. 
30906 re tubing paul kish sr. this first site addresses size not what it's made out of. http www.rorty-design.com content tube_size_vs._strength.htm and might help www.onlinemetals.com steelguide.cfm 
30907 engine placement lawn boy we race on a 1 2 mile slick dirt track our first year.had trouble getting forward bite had two good drivers tell me the motor was mounted too low in car pan is inch above crossmember and should be raised inches to help weight transfer what do any of you think . thanks 
30908 track tire ja i just found out that next year our street stock class will be going to a - hoosier believe. have absolutely no experience with race up until now only raced radial tires. where can find information on tires regards stagger pressure etc. radials if an 82 inch it stay at inches regardless of the temperature or tire. consistent. as understand is not case 
30909 re engine placement j block it might be just as easy to raise the ride height a little and get same cgh higher motor. 
30910 re engine placement dirtrunner did these two good drivers drive your car or just tell you this what kind of rear suspension do have 
30911 re engine placement lawn boy the imput was only from observation and conversation car is coil spring metric. motor also 4 inchs back 3 inch to left front end sticks like glue but ican see driver says does not lift at all unfortunatly no access scales.thank you for your responses. 
30912 re track tire 22racing not sure the 3 digit number for hoosier street stock tires 780's maybe can't remember. you will find they grow when hot if are using compressed air to fill them. start with same stagger run now just check your new hoosiers is all. pressures 5 lbs lower than radial and adjust from there depending on temperature. 
30913 clutch pressure plate jim stock 350 chevy looking for a package that i can use with hdy throw out bearing .the one in the car measures 2 7 8 which is too thick. have to add spacers between tranny and bellhousing. 
30914 re clutch pressure plate gene this problem came up a few months ago on site. what style of do you have lots fingers or just 3 
30915 re clutch pressure plate swaybar it's a common problem that has led me to believe these hydraulic bearings are designed be used with the rear motor mounts between bellhousing and block - gives you spacing need. 
30916 re clutch pressure plate jim that was me. lots of fingers 
30917 re clutch pressure plate indyracer you may need the longer alignment pins if use rear mount. i went to hyd bearing and mounts my motor guy had me get them for switch. 
30918 re clutch pressure plate swaybar indyracer you are correct about that. that is the intent of long dowel pins. 
30919 oil pump guest i was breaking down my motor at the end of season friend came over and we started talking about pumps what one is better high volume or low pressure just looking for input from you guys. always run a but shim stock spring to get want. 355 sbc 6500 rpm motor. 
30920 re track tire swaybar start paying a lot of attention to your tires. develop system tracking the from time you buy it until retire including marked size pre-mounting after mount and gets good heat cycle. for right side tires them immediately air up 50psi. lefts use 40psi. leave at that pressure then let down 20psi left 30psi right. measure away. will give idea final you'll have. they grow shrink much more than radials with changes heat. get ready go faster. 
30922 re oil pump kenneth car craft nov 09 had an shootout. it showed that a standard is more than adequte and also made the most power. you might look up to read yourself i was pretty suprised. 
30923 re track tire 27 where do you race 
30924 re oil pump rich walling i think smokey y said the same thing. 
30925 re track tire ja eastern canada 
30926 re track tire 27 pei 
30927 webinar time j block it's i'm going to run the data acquisition webinars again this month starting on tuesday 10th at 8 pm est. several folks here have been through session so if you would like ask them what they thought drop a post here. see whats agenda go http www.auto-ware.com webinar_home.html material we will cover. me an email sign up but don't wait too long because there is limited space and it first come served 
30928 re track tire heloguy if you are going to run the 790's they usually come with sizes from 85 -86.5 . stretch right sides at 50 psi for about 20 laps will get 87 once stretched only seem gain 1 4 in a lap feature. left even though state size of factory can be 83 -85.5 don't lefts. start pressures hoosiers on 3500 lb car quite high ie 35 and 25 left. adjust using tread temps after but that should give good point. want more info send me pm cheers 
30929 re track tire ja yes 
30930 re oil pump dan riley you're right on the money with what doing now. 
30931 re oil pump dirtrunner how much power would a engine loose with high volume 
30933 anybody done rear wheel dyno test on this amut grand national end vs quick change i'm staying in one track. heard the is faster. 
30934 re anybody done rear wheel dyno test on this rich walling yes there has been more than afew people doing test. and is a differece in the amount of hp required turn them. but gn also lighter so less unsprung weight. 
30935 re anybody done rear wheel dyno test on this 44dwarf i've read 6hp due to extra straight cut gear used in qc. 
30936 re oil pump 44dwarf i don't think high volume will loss to many extra hp but it reduce lift and increase temp due the having added returning pan via relief valve in pump. remember motor can only take so much if could more pressure would be less. is inverse of flow. 
30937 re anybody done rear wheel dyno test on this big bore even more with lw spool and milled ring gears. if you run a restricted or crate motor at same track weekly can settle gear the 9 be advantage. 
30938 face shields dennis smith hello the track that i race on has hardly any lights lots of dark spots it in fact cant tell what flag flagman is showing there a colour shield would work like amber or anything else thanks as always 
30939 re face shields amut i have used amber and works very well for those conditions. like to change out from smoke as it get darker. 
30940 re face shields dennis smith thanks for the info amut im gonna try them both. 
30941 big monte to impala rear end nick odell will an 8.5 out of a carlo or malibu bolt into 77 and up impala. they look the same. just don't want use 7.5 can't 9 12 bolt. 
30942 re big monte to impala rear end dan riley fyi i bolted an '88 8.5 into my '79 monte. it fit with only a little massaging of the mounts. bottoms had be moved forward couple inches. used original arms. handles very well. it's not your same situation but thought i'd throw out there. many variations are possible if you just try them. best luck yours........dan 
30943 re big monte to impala rear end oval olds easier look for a 77 up rear. most of these came with 8.5 caddy 4100 v8 and others the v6 used 7.5 best is 79 bolt in axles no c clips shafts are same as 76 down regal so on. use large tapered roller bearing making it perfect track. axle housing sometimes wears where outer race bottoms out. snap ring from 400 auto trans makes good wear surface don't remember what you can more common mid 3 ratio posi carrier by shimming right. uses different diff casting clip results brake drums running off drums. sometime 88 89 spline count diameter was changed larger. be aware buick electra odd too use. i'm pretty sure pattern. 
30944 re big monte to impala rear end nick odell wow didn't know gm had a press in axle rear. thanks for the info gonna go scrounge junk yard. 
30945 re clutch pressure plate josh k. you maybe able to have the bearing retainer turned down in a lathe allow for correct amount of free play on hyd. bearing. also make sure is collapsed entire way 
30946 re big monte to impala rear end nick odell i did find a 1980 caprice station wagon thats got an 8.5. has ginormous brake drums though. don't know if it would be worth it. i'm building new car and want try the frame cut 108. think will better than metric. 
30947 weight placement rcj we have always tried to put all added wieght inside the wheelbase and in as small area possible.this winter i putting a smaller fuel cell moving motor back 1 2 move driver 3 .i'm tring get even more wheelbase. can you go far at this.the car was fast it 
30948 re weight placement rich walling try to get all the in one spot. 
30949 re big monte to impala rear end oval olds yep same axle bearing as 9 ford and dana 44 from what i recall. be careful with the early wagon stuff they use a 5 on wheel bolt circle some center sections have gears world of their own. easy id for in axles is look 8.5 shaped cover but it has 1 2 moon cut out each side where tube hits section. at gasket up 78 buick lesaber 4 door. 
30955 re big monte to impala rear end guest every 8.5 with bolt in axles i have ever used pushes the gear lube out vent even if relocate far left and run up un trunk a hose it just fill tried diffrent oils only take about 5 laps make mess. anybody this problem or cure 3 8 mile paved track. after trying several stuck c-clip ends 
30956 re big monte to impala rear end nick odell that's interesting. never had a of any kind do that. overfull 
30957 re big monte to impala rear end dave had a ford 9in with axle tube seals do that put vent everywhere the only thing stoped it was less oil 1 2qt 
30959 re big monte to impala rear end guest i put 1 quart extra in but even with it just full would do it. 
30960 re big monte to impala rear end dave what if you made a bigger vent hole and put breather like run on the engine maybe there much pressure in 
30961 re big monte to impala rear end guest i never fill the end. being full just casues cavitation in fluid which is air. air expands as temperatures increase and casue excess pressure. try reducing amount of that. had a problem. usually run quart or some times less gear lube. also use amsoil. one fail wiht out hit first. 
30962 topic of the week stagger j block what do you say we gat back to doing lets start with stagger. typically run for and type track etc. 
30963 re topic of the week stagger rich walling 1 2 mile 11 degree bank late model lefthander. 1.5 in front and 2.75 back. car has a detriot locker. we try to keep an inch difference but sometimes it doesn't happen. next year we'll have cambered rear probably go down bunch whaddaya think 
30964 re topic of the week stagger 22racing 5 8 mile progressive banked paved lefthander late model goodyears 2 1 2-3 front and rear. these are only tire sizes available without huge air pressures in left sides hafta work with what you're given... 
30965 creative bump steer corrections duke after checking my on lf it toes out compression and in rebound. longacre's the gauge i used website says to decrease shim outer tie rod or lower inner rod. ok here is where need help i'm working with stock oem gm metric any alterations be halfway hidden eye. how can make adjustments 
30966 re creative bump steer corrections guest heat the pitman arm and bend it down. 
30967 re topic of the week stagger dave tight conners 30deg paved track running a street stock with 980 hoosiers we run best 2.5 in back 2 front some faster cars say thay 4 
30968 re creative bump steer corrections racer_dave ream out the tapered hole in spindle a touch. then use some grade 8 washers to make up difference under castle nut. 
30969 re creative bump steer corrections rcj loosen the bolts on steering box.take a pry bar and push it direction in needs to go then tighten it.if all you need is small adjustment this might do it. 
30970 reverse kpi 44dwarf anyone care to guess what outward would do i m on another board and someone there has taken rear steer spindles flipped them side for make front but now the is leaning outward. can t imagine this will work good .. take a stab at it like 44 
30971 re topic of the week stagger rcj our home track is 3 8 15 degrees and you run up against wall dirt .1.75 rear 1.75 front.we also race at 1 4 flat same works best.the car sensative to small air pressure changes.this telling me something about my setup i just don't know what. 
30972 re topic of the week stagger j block do you keep rear wheels buzzing 
30973 re reverse kpi j block even side to the top should still be inboard. i would have see a picture. if he does out board steering will not self centering and pull in what ever direction wheel is turned but hard more turned. 
30974 re topic of the week stagger todd our local track is a 1 4 mile asphalt oval banked 8-9 degrees. it pretty much bullring. you are always turning. there not really straight away. we have run around 3 with lots rear weight high cross traditional spring setup. also 2 more front softer springs stiffer rr srping 
30976 re reverse kpi 44dwarf http grassrootsmotorsports.com forum grm steering-geometry-setup 16329 page1 
30977 re reverse kpi 44dwarf also this page. http grassrootsmotorsports.com forum grm suspension-setup 16023 page1 wow i'm surpriced it let me post links 
30978 re reverse kpi j block omg that is scary i would not want to over 5mph in thing really 
30979 re topic of the week stagger alan a true oval 10 degree asphalt pro latemodel on hoosier 2045 1.25-1.5 
30980 help building sbc for 1 4 asphalt todd maybe some of you that have john engine builder program can me. or anybody else matter. i want to build a new motor our street stock. we race on mile oval banked aroun 8-9 degrees. rules say can't go over 358ci holley 4412 2 barrel carb stock cast iron exhaust manifolds edelbrock performer intake 2116 vortec heads 2101 all other no porting polishing enlarging and manifolds. rule allowing us run next year. already purchased set bare 062 heads. any ideas part combos cams etc idea how much hp torque track is very round not straigt aways so know there more be gained via handling are close but would still like get the most power out motor. advice appreciated. thanks 
30981 re help building sbc for 1 4 asphalt todd forgot to mention - can run a roller cam. 
30982 should read can't run roller cam todd oops sorry 
30983 re should read can't run roller cam 97bubba compression lift rule without knowing those hard to help alot. remember the is key power. not much straights build engine for lower rpm power band where you can use torque acceleration peak hp 's don't mean alot me i like pay most attention to. pick quality components. long rod 6 vs 5.7 will cost a little more but give and makes cleaner burning engine. because piston stays just tad longer at tdc than shorter any head work larger valves ect. stay with exhaust side bad stuff get out intake charge efficient be. few thoughts that has worked past 30 years or so. dave 
30984 re should read can't run roller cam todd the rules say stock stroke but nothing about lift or compression. i agree with torque comments. thanks. 
30986 re should read can't run roller cam rich walling there is an old saying that hp cost money how fast do you want to go if i had a reasonably fat budget would for 1200 43lb crank or lighter 600 480 gram rods. 650 330 pistons. call comp camds about cam. after talk randy brezinski and get under cover heads intake exhaust manifold . top it off with vdl carb more are in business. ever may beat by guy 3000 engine who got his car handle. just my .02 
30987 re should read can't run roller cam todd thank rich i don't have an unlimited budget but do plan on spending some money. am not going to port polish the heads manifolds bc would hate get caught then be out money and manifolds. like info about pistons rods etc. here are more specific questions 1. what weight brand coatings etc 2. 6.0 5.7 i-beam h-beam 3. make good bottom end my track 4-7 swap any 4. rockers 5. valves 6. valve springs 7. crank 8. other stuff again - willing spend right combo. know a lightweight is into it just which one prob ever best deal 
30988 re should read can't run roller cam rich walling i have had good luck with cp pistons wiseco and race engineering 2 ring 2bbl. pistons. the engine was built 15 years ago is still running stromg in a ride along car. manley beam rods worked well also. used their 300-m but that may be little for your blood. two barrel you don't to super strong stuff. remember lighter reciprocating weight less stress on parts. heads are where power made. would really think about under cover not need it. real success double hump an accu-sump reliability wet sump. obviously know how use computer so google various parts vendors go town brainstoming. 
30989 rear disc brakes or not john we are allowed in our street stock class to run discs on the back this year....with a 50lb penalty...is it worth is 50lbs much....thanks 
30990 re rear disc brakes or not rich walling no. 
30991 re rear disc brakes or not rich walling no it ain't worth the 50 penalty. get smallest drum shoe combinaton that will fit your car. there is a reason you change fronts 3 times before rears. 
30992 re should read can't run roller cam alan contact competion parts in wisc. for your rods less than 600 grams and possibly a crank. eagle or some co. has the lite cranks resonable . an oil pan i would consider one from pro cam. 
30993 re help building sbc for 1 4 asphalt lucifer todd real world experience on mile asphalt... my good engine a 10.5 to compression .465 lift light pistons pins rings 600 gm rods trick oil pan with windage tray etc. broke three year standing track record time of 15.151. due circumstances i put bomber an 8.0 yes said .450 full stock weight heavier 630 pm no using the same tires from previous race and set fast 15.220. that's .071 seconds seven hundredths difference only thing could feel was it just didn't seem pull as hard near end straight. times that before back in. taught me alot about part weights compression. realized after fact have bumped timing up degree or two lower 8 would run even better than did. both engines had 1.94 1.5 valves cast cranks carb exhaust accessories. cost less half price unless your are top 2 3 car you will probably not be able see difference. best advice... don't get crazy try reinvent wheel. stay basics keep money in pocket together spend improving handling. lot guys this racing fever they outspend themselves way can track. recommend build solid .030 .040 2-bolt block crank. used kb lightweight hypereutetic thin metric but explained above stuff work very well. moly second ring make absolutely sure gapped per piston maker instructions. worry file fit you'll filing right. did extra arp rod bolts polished resized. 6 techincally i'd lay odds wouldn't test. save use 5.7's if makes any always brag 6's won't know different. big spent crank where faster head valve afford. vortec heads port shapes camel ones tolerate being overheated. some is all needed machinist do centered off spindle porting allowed class. one tell running vortecs added costs lash caps geometry right self aligning rocker arms different covers pricy intake. adding many hundreds dollars moment decide go so front what wallet afford either bigger exhausts because kill torque almost too strong form. intake kills it. want pop screw studs head. like competition cams roller tip stamped steel. 1.6 requires clearancing push area bind. cam isky shelf installed 2-4 degrees advanced call them exact install. sounds small by catalog descriptions out much corner. believe something. buy fits rules vdl nice dollar price. chain type cheaper whack. pump shimmed spring high volume. alone last years. most classes allow msd ignitions brand new replacement hei distributor definitely dyno someone who knows doing. 
30994 re help building sbc for 1 4 asphalt todd lucifer - thanks the advice. i have read many of your posts here before. they always seem to be really informative. this post seems great information as well. will remember advice am purchasing my parts. like make sure money is being spent on right stuff... already good bare vortec heads. yes aware cost involved in running them you pointed out . what not are saying when say following 1. either head don't go any bigger exhausts because it kill torque almost too strong even stock form. question talking about port size or exhaust manifolds tubes 2. intake vortecs kills it. again manifold 3. also interested cam installed... you'll want isky .465 lift off shelf installed 2-4 degrees advanced do know why one pulls so much better a motor guy. can explain pull corner appreciate info post. type stuff was looking build. 
30995 re lucifer i have a couple questions todd in my above reply asked ya questions...i just forgot to change the subject line so you would notice it. thanks 
30998 back up and running j block sorry for the outage. there was a server error that nobody is willing to fess but at least we are online. when these happen please email me asap so i can knock heads sooner thanks janitor 
30999 re should read can't run roller cam guest hi todd i agree with lucifer on the it sounds funny but we had guys at our track take 350 hp gm crate motors and put bigger cams in them because of a rule change they tried were cheating anyway so dropped motor instead buying new just 1 2 stock back killed bottom end torque did not give enough to top make up diffrence. would stay below .480 lift what ever you pick. this was 3 8 mile paved long sweeping turns 
31000 new rules rich walling once again its time to tweak the at most short tracks around country. i would like know if there is anyone out that knows how hp weight ratios relate times track because we and a few our fellow competitors have been very successful with break tread width left side using crate motors it seems cry babies their high dollar built want more advantages. or slow us down. thought were made keep some from having an advantage over others. nfl doesn't down adrian peterson chicago bears can't tackle him. nba didn't raise rim of michael jordan's prowess. done research people who had engines dynoed. what come up box stock chevy crates factory website dynoed 400hp. refurbished asa builder came in 430. friends non-opened 419 1.6 rockers one-inch spacer. heard aluminum concept ace about 480 9 1's 470. has ratio be equalizing formula drag cars 60's 70 s gasser class ci classes formula. any help appreciated rocket scientists making seem just did homework . thanks advance. 
31001 re new rules jracer98 saturday night racing isn't the olympics where you are fastest runner in world until aren't. tracks and sanctioning bodies business--- car count business spectator business. having one formula dominate is bad for business...regardless of why . jmo jay 
31002 topic of the week spool or detroit locker guest what do you guys like better and if switch from one to other change stagger 
31003 re rear disc brakes or not dirt freak yes. they work alot better.the more brake will loosen the car a little in.90 percent of stock i see dont and wonder why is tight in. easier to with no adjusting. less rotating weight 50lbs wont hurt you use it add cross over turning weight. me would be brainer 
31004 gm rear suspension question bob dknob we run a class similar to imca southern sport mods where must metric frames and the stock 10 bolt rearend. now from what i have seen rearend setup does not any real pinion angle it. know on our leaf spring cars aided bunch in creating foward bite but chassis builder told me that with limitations of housing arms etc adding would help add forward this kind car. am doubting simple car full out usmts modfieds all these use 4-6 degrees at pinion. so my is there some type limitation 4 link makes useless they make adjustable upper for put are or did mistake 
31005 re gm rear suspension question rich walling to correct the pinion angle on my mid-american car i re-drilled upper control arms end side larger than 1 2 inch. put top back loosely with 7 16 washers each side. had 10 inch boxes so went under a floor jack set needed. used needed and welded them in place. 
31006 re gm rear suspension question racer_dave i think you will need the pinion angle but don't that little amount is going to be noticeable. would concentrate on doing anything could get steer out of car. try lower arms closer level if car can into 1 2 range when through 3 travel which pavement make horrible off corners. use offset bushings massage mounts and it. course while this add some 
31007 re topic of the week spool or detroit locker racer_dave it depends on track. tighter smaller tracks i tend to run a bigger 1 2 milers sweeping corners locker. assuming track stays same if swap always more stagger keep car from being tight mid turn prior throttle on. 
31008 re topic of the week spool or detroit locker j block everybody needs to also state if it is dirt pavement. however personally i would never use a on dirt. 
31009 re topic of the week spool or detroit locker lm15 asphalt - vari lock 
31010 re gm rear suspension question rick while we are on the subject i am switching over to dirt in my metric car and had been running a 9 inch with j-bar but now rules allow only stock 4 link which cut upper frame work off .i have another piece that could weld back would there be any advantages mounting plate lower place or higher do you want uppers more angle down front less told metrics bad roll center of this modification help tips ideas thanks guys. oldgold 
31012 balance bar 97bubba i am having a hard time getting any front brake in one of my modifieds all sudden. changed the lines from master to rear both were 7 8 . put on new masters and 1 they used but had kits that them worked another car. it seems no matter where there is very little middle best. starting think worn out not doing what supposed to. main question adjusting way left for more vice versa confused this other car works you move side want on. lol asuming are same. sorry about novel just really frustrated after month thinking fact haven't gotten anywhere. pedal dave 
31013 re balance bar dennis smith i had the same problem so put a pressure gauge on right front and left rear caliper to make sure masters are ok mine were cut an opening in firewall see what was going with my car they floor mount all screwed up found this web...brake systems oem racing brake technology set its got good pics instructions brakes work now fellow racers very happy. 
31014 re balance bar 97bubba thanks great article the frustrating part is when i put other car together it was a piece of cake. this one good for previous 3 years and then sucked. frustartion trying to get work in week. lol again help. war tech board best dave 
31015 re balance bar dirtrunner there's your problem it went together a piece of cake too easy lol. 
31016 wanted david i am looking for any ministock parts can email me what you have www.circletrackracin.com 
31017 re balance bar 44dwarf is it a book or web site if its maybe john can post the link for us to see. 44 
31018 re balance bar swaybar what size caliper pistons do you have front and rear if larger on the they are paired up with that 1 master cylinder you're going to trouble getting brake. make sure is working brakes. bias adjuster can work either way - it depends which side cable end hooked to. there a spherical bearing between two rods for masters. whichever rod closest get most bias. 
31020 re balance bar grr456 go here.... http www.stockcarproducts.com tech1k.htm or here www.bicknellracingproducts.com index.php option com_content view article catid 5 3abrp-dirt-modifieds id 9 3abrake-balance-bar-set-up itemid 11 gary 
31021 re topic of the week spool or detroit locker rich walling dertoit asphalt 
31022 re balance bar alan stock type brake hose going to the caliper can sometimes develope problems inside of hose. most time it is pluging on return. good luck 
31023 vortec cylinder heads mark next year my home track is allowing i beleive there are two casting numbers one better than the other thanks for your help 
31024 re gm rear suspension question devon i'm really surprised nobody has mentioned that pionion angle in no way effects the handling of a race car. it is simply used to please u-joints nothing else. 
31025 re gm rear suspension question bob dknob i'm really surprised nobody has mentioned that pionion angle in no way effects the handling of a race car. it is simply used to please u-joints nothing else. doesnt pinion have an effect on forward bite if why would so many rulebooks say cannot be altered or trailing arms change there something it. 
31026 re gm rear suspension question swaybar devon i started to say it but didn't want start a fight. bobd most likely the reason rules are written that way is keep racers who convinced has an effect from altering their suspensions in stock type classes. probably correct pinion angle very negligible though not noticeable affect on forward bite. 
31027 re gm rear suspension question dirtrunner do a search for harris car chassis cam then ask what caused forward bite 
31028 re gm rear suspension question swaybar awesome video but i won't make the assumption that pinion angle contributed to forward bite. with all high-tech equipment would point other factors first. is...is a cause or result bite 
31029 re vortec cylinder heads josh k. some say yes no the biggest thing is make sure they are not hecho en mexico these ones have smaller ports flow considerablly less and inferior material. 
31032 re gm rear suspension question dirtrunner i would say pinion angle is the result of forward bite or should movement. 
31033 swing arms rcj 14.25 arm length 4.25 from rear mount to spring.this gives me a ratio of .491. 375 spring x .491 184.agree or disagree. wouldn't have different rates for bump than roll. 
31034 re vortec cylinder heads swaybar that is not completely true. almost all of the later model are made in mexico and bear casting. we had a set vortecs runners measured out same. little flow issue on exhaust side but it was an easy fix. 
31035 re gm rear suspension question swaybar dirtrunner i would agree. 
31036 re gm rear suspension question devon cut all the mounts off your differential rotate 7 degrees 10 20 what ever amount of pinion angle you want and then weld back on in exactly same position they were relative to chassis. how did that improve forward bite an oem style 4 link supension any noticable gain initial is due increased shortened upper links adding anti-squat. fact anti-squat does not add sense it mysteriously taking weight from somewhere tires. anti squat momentarily changing load tires see. 
31037 re balance bar ted i agree with the stock hose issue. if it happened all of a sudden would look anywere you have rubber hose. also check and make sure pads enough left on them. try swapping front rear. for air. speedway sells some valve bleeders that are great just slowly moving fluid way through. there isn't any 
31038 re swing arms dirtrunner have you been looking in bob bolles book lol. 
31039 3 link lawn boy hello due to rule changes we are allowed links . now using stock 4 in metric car if i were leave lower alone remove tne uppers and replace with one single rod add j bar would this work. thank you for any help ps.this is on dirt. 
31040 re balance bar lm15 unless the itself isn't turning anymore i doubt that's problem. is pedal still hard and up high if not bleed brakes check for bad hoses. a hung caliper or brake pad. how old are your pads have you ever deglazed them it's good habit to take out use belt sander clamp sanding block in bench vice then rough surface of pad bit. what about rotors kind shape they also since went from pair 7 8 masters 1 make sure fronts rears. other way you'll more rear than front. 
31041 re balance bar dirtrunner the stock hose goes bad only when metal crimp on end or where there is a bracket to hold it upper control arm in middle gets rusted. rust compresses smaller and fluid but doesn't come out. 
31042 re 3 link rich walling i remember reading from steve smith that the ratio of bottom control arm to upper should be 1 85 1. had a chevelle we converted 4 three and believe bottoms were 22 long. took one junk yard shortened it up make 11 15 16 . then used piece tubing made long panhard bar 39 installed on back side. change 2 second improvement. rubber bushings was poor mans snubber. 
31043 re swing arms rcj yes that is where those numbers came from i found an online calculator for and it gave out a different number.wondering which one right 
31044 re 3 link racer_dave part of the advantage to running is being able change arm angles. if you just keep stock lowers then won't be getting this key advantage. also lower links are not parallel you'll doing much reduce rear roll steer. you're going go through effort over make sure get all advantages can from it. mounts adjustable figure out what top length and angle want j-bar mount strong. when i did my car came about 22 upper was 18 got a used snubber for buddy late models it helped lot. ran 90 10 shock on link. own work don't think had more than 200 in whole swap 3-link. buy everything fab work. have farm will cost more. could do less. again i'd ahead build an underslung clip. upkicks tube there back. course can't by rules allowed. hope helps 
31045 ball joint reamer question swaybar ok quick so i don't have to do the math myself lazy today. is 7 degree same as 1 2 of taper per foot or would it be 
31046 re ball joint reamer question swaybar nevermind....found my answer. in case anybody else needed to know - the 7 degree taper is 1 2 per foot pinto spindle taper. 10 impala spindles 
31047 re 3 link rich walling i should have noted that set the lower arms level with car at ride height and put upper 15 degrees down to front. advantage a up like this is rear roll center adjustments can be made. for dirt most people axle mount on right frame left. 
31048 re 3 link lawn boy so your saying the panhard j bar mounted close to pinnion is not way go any other advise greatly appriciated thank all of you. 
31049 re 3 link rich walling the reason for j-bar was to make it easier locate a quick change rear laterally. they work ok but i think long panhard bar is way go. 
31050 re balance bar dennis smith hey bubba the pressure gauge will tell you if your getting brake to calipers not work way back. 
31051 re vortec cylinder heads josh k. you most have gotten a good set then... 
31052 re ball joint reamer question dirtrunner glad we could help had it for you in 6 mins lol. 
31053 re 3 link dirtrunner you can get a lower rear roll center with short bar if that's what want hooked up at the pinion. i have ran both and liked bar. axle will move more laterally in turns. 
31054 re vortec cylinder heads bob if rules dont say which go with the bow tie vortecs way better than 906 and 062 
31055 topic of the week- oil restrictors steve solid lifter cam on a 1 2 mile dirt track wet sump motor or no restrictors. and pump guys seem to say no. last year i ran mine with out restictors for first time little less pressure but worked good. 
31056 re topic of the week- oil restrictors 97bubba drag race motors yes circle track no. extra in top helps keep valve springs cool. among other things. dave 
31057 re 3 link lawn boy thank you all 
31058 re topic of the week- oil restrictors dirtrunner my motor guy says use them been using for 10 years. no valve spring problems. 
31059 tires v camber rich walling our track is going to a new tire that has stiffer sidewalls. i'm assuming less may be needed. whaddya think what about rear stagger with detroit locker 
31060 re gm rear suspension question bob dknob okay since pinion angle does not play into gaining forward bite what can be done to a stock 4-link that will aid in 
31061 re gm rear suspension question swaybar the ankles of top link in relation to lowers should make some momentary impact on forward bite. you can do a search archives this board and find lot feedback about control arm angles with 4-link. 
31062 re tires v camber alan a littless on the front will be needed. rear any help if leagal. you can crown axle splines and get by with up to 1 degree. use least amount of stager keep from pushing coming off turns good luck 
31063 re topic of the week- oil restrictors alan we have always used them on solid lift cams. springs are easier to replace than bearings. if in doubt you can enlarge hole resticter. 
31064 re topic of the week- oil restrictors nm rich walling 
31065 re tires v camber 34 only the durometer can answer that question 
31066 re gm rear suspension question dirtrunner look up dan hersey he runs a metric. 
31067 re tires v camber 34 oops...i mean pyrometer not durometer... 
31068 re topic of the week- oil restrictors josh k. with todays oils and parts there is really no need for in a sbc your rocker arms pushrods springs will thank you not putting them in. if trashing bearings due to running have other problems... 
31069 re topic of the week- oil restrictors 97bubba very true alan if anything is left when spring fails.i have been running my engines without for over 30 years and will continue to do so. i also use a high volume punp in everything latest engine has 3 hard seasons on it still looks like just built it. think stick with formula. works me. dave 
31070 re tires v camber 97bubba rich if you have run the 8 goodyear impliment tire that big series raced on hoosier 800 is very similar and all notes should tranfer pretty well. they were tested to see we wanted race them up here in sereis. dave 
31071 re tires v camber rich walling actually i was refering to the hoosier 1040's and 1050's. at tire test those have a stiffer side wall. tractor 800 seemed alright there wasn't much difference in that f75's. told good year had their made south america is true 
31072 re topic of the week- oil restrictors rich walling imho i would not use restictors on anything with stock rockers or a dry sump. rather have cool springs than any help bottom. anymore todays technology top end is weak spot race engine. bottom has pretty much been cared for. drilled out roller rocker engines because customers wanted them. 
31073 re tires v camber 97bubba canada is what we were told all the tracks around had trouble getting them and they very inconsistent. many other problems. sorry i can't help with that tire. looks like tire temps testing will be in store for you too lol dave 
31074 towel city retreads jimbo out street stock class is going to the recap tire this year..8 inch treaded tracmaster....any tips on them...pressures and if they work well...thanks.. 
31075 re topic of the week- oil restrictors hogracer3d just put them in sbc 2-bbl for 1st time solid lifter deal w holes but drilled out to .078 per tony barker. 8 starts 4 wins one which was a 4-bbl show no probs at all 
31076 re towel city retreads nm scrap 
31077 re towel city retreads scrap sorry didn't read the whole thing. i have experieince with hoosier and goodyear carcass retreads. if you find similiarties can help out. 
31078 camaro stub questions tfi racing i'm converting a fab clip with rack to steering box stock style steering. anyone have any info on where find useful dimensions for the and idler arm locations other than digging up using it template 
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31080 re towel city retreads jimbo the citys are a hoosier retread...... 
31081 re towel city retreads gene i have never had to run them but it is my understanding that air pressure crucial getting last and work. i'd scale the car out then call ask what they say should on each corner. do as say. 
31082 re towel city retreads scrap they weren't always hoosiers. i just stopped by a shop yesterday that had with goodyear carcass. ran from 2004-2007. went to north carolina race in 2008. when moved back this year the guys were on hoosiers . sure if still made them have won championship and races both. 2 very different sets of tire pressures for reasons some racers may not understand. 
31083 re towel city retreads rich walling i believe they are cambered. way back when our track had a take off rule for class. that is we could run late model offs. took them sent to and junior reccapped them. worked real good till got caught. thought it was better ask forgiveness than permission. 
31084 re towel city retreads hogracer3d rich thats funny-- we ran a imca sprint at ventura in the mid 90's hard azz 13 r tire. took approved carcass and sent it to mrt they put soft 15 cap on it. like you worked great untill got caught--lol i remember them being heavy as hell though 
31085 re dam theives john oeltjen could you give us a brief description of parts lost ie what type chassis engine ect i think lot are always crusin' e-bay and we keep our eyes open for these let ya know if see something check it out. 
31086 re towel city retreads dave i ran them in late 80s air pressure for bias ply was 25 left 35 right and the radials we as high 55 on rights 45 lefts 
31087 re camaro stub questions devon i have a jig tom lmao does it to be in the stock location or near as far remember steering box is on left and idler arm right. centerlink forward of crossmember unless it's pre 70 camaro. just put where has pretty much only one place recomend using an adjustable then mount they need keep be. make sure pitman are square. you can use old oem tack welded jig. also 7 speed up even though slightly longer than idler. slotted mount. designed for that clamps frame so slide fore aft ackerman adjustment sorta like howe sway bar mounts but never got build yet. mind there several combinations centerlinks. some straight dropped different lengths etc. racing standard seems early 70's. do 12 1 from my sportsman sale. 
31088 re dam theives gene i did a cut and paste off another board. these guys that steal stuff are nuts they caught some in eastern ohio western pa stealing race cars scraping them for the iron proper use of fish hooks will stop lot this 
31089 re towel city retreads mnmale1972 we run them in our class but it is a figure eight so my pressures probably won't help much. i can tell you this tho....when changed from the goodyear carcass to hoosier had remove significant amount of camber. think tires are great and they last plenty long if manage your tires. fronts 38 rears at 33. 77 impala stock 
31090 re gm rear suspension question mnmale1972 i played around with this alot because was having a forward bite issue last year and what found is that the lower arm angles have huge effect on bite. after watching harris chassis cam want to put one mine but initially if went taller spring my arms angling slighlty up from front gave me of it made car push bad so then in softest tall could find get angle under control. simple physics. control pucching oin accel will more weight axle hence tires........ being said new am moving mounting points out use springs keep ride height where it... not an engineer. just telling you experience 
31091 re towel city retreads jimbo i run 7 degrees negative on the front now......thanks for info guys.. 
31092 re towel city retreads mnmale1972 you will be wearing out the inner edge of towels with that much camber. our rule states inch and a half max i run just under an wich if my memory is right would about 3 degrees. can't remember for sure. but used to as possible till we started using hoosier caps. 
31093 re topic of the week- oil restrictors dan hersey main reason restricters have been devoloped is to feed more lower end. not that was needed be at upper portion engine. quest balance difference. i've ran for 5 seasons with good luck using a flat tappet cam. always replacing valve springs every year low profile covers help keep cooling springs. 
31094 stock exhaust headers dan riley hey board we're wishing you a happy holiday season merry christmas and i don't care about being pc. normally do this but some time ago responded to the thread because found great set of cast iron manifolds for my hauler's 350 chevy. they appear have larger inside opening than most had found. measured outlet on one it is 2-1 4 inside. right exits at rear left down like do. am selling these 120 i'll pay shipping. only 1 hour use before lost hauler. said never try sell things here since alot interest in wanted let member get first shot them. thanks wish all restfull winter break new 2010.........dan 
31095 re stock exhaust headers rick what did they come off of 
31096 re stock exhaust headers dan riley i bought them new to fit my 87 3 4 ton chevy pick-up with a 350 engine. got from an aftermarket company. jumped into thread about needing hi-flow cast on street stocks. gave out the sizes board. few people emailed me where they could get them. honestly don't remember where. on-line somewhere i'd have go shopping all over again find are highest flowing manifolds i've come across since sold 2.5 rams horns. thanks for asking.....have great holiday...........dan 
31097 re dam theives dan riley hello gene what a bite in the . i doubt those guys watch this board. can you give us hint at was taken it fits etc.. know we all sales sites for deals. maybe come up with lead or two. there are alot of here on board and one is bound to see something. just thought try catch them. they probably don't even have. it's not like guy 355 sportsman car sets out steal front-end parts fit his chassis. might have realized were trailer. if locked most likely took opportunity grab run thinking steeling nice man didn't loose thing but hearing about your loss puts damper my own christmas spirit. aside from great prized posessions family friends............dan 
31098 re stock exhaust headers anonymous1 dan quick question. do these have the gm casting numbers on them or are replacement ones thanks. 
31099 trans paul has anybody used the t5 in a street stock application. 2bbl 350 hp 380 torq type numbers. thanks. 
31100 re stock exhaust headers dan riley these are type replacements. cast iron with exit points. the only difference is they have a larger inside volume than factory parts. outlets 2-1 4 inches diam.......thanks 
31101 bob paulin aka canuck sbc350 hey guys it's been a while since i've posted on here but just saw something speed51.com and it made me think of the war board. also known as passed away recently. i'm sure most you who have for will remember him. he frequently was always willing to help others with his ideas knowledge. only time i met came my track introduced himself. ended up winning that night pretty cool him there. posting about or next day here. thought old timers would like know. hope all great christmas new years 2010 racing season chris smith ps found obituary from kennebec journal online gardiner -- robert l. 62 libby hill road unexpectedly thursday dec. 17 2009 at mainegeneral medical center augusta. born in waltham mass. jan. 31 1947 son leo irene cormier paulin. enjoyed working garage motor sport projects building race cars. worked an auto mechanics instructor capital area vocational technical augusta 10 years. owned operated own motorsports marketing agency served northeast media coordinator nascar. published journalist writing several columns lewiston sun journal. predeceased by parents sisters diane janine mcgovern. is survived wife 42 diana mandile sister anne-louise seattle wash. very special niece angela ayer wareham friend carole hickey her husband nelson whitefield. per bob's request there not be any services this time. lieu flowers donations may american cancer society 1 bowdoin mill island suite 300 topsham 04086. arrangements are under care kincer funeral home 130 pleasant st. richmond 04357. 
31102 re bob paulin aka canuck j block godspeed canuck. i will miss you 
31103 re bob paulin aka canuck 44dwarf rip my freind. 
31104 re bob paulin aka canuck todd i didn't personally know bob..but have exchanged information on this board with him a few times. he was always helpful and his years of experience assisted me more than once. rest in peace. 
31105 re bob paulin aka canuck dan riley rest in god's house we'll meet again when we all come home........dan 
31106 re bob paulin aka canuck jim thanks for the info. will me missed. chris whats up with you 
31107 re bob paulin aka canuck swaybar rip canuck. my prayers are with the family. 
31108 re bob paulin aka canuck josh k. rip you will be missed by many in the racing community. god speed thoughts and prayers for family during holiday season. 
31109 merry christmas board dan riley you'll all be included in our prayers tonight at the eve. service. we wish everyone war family a great and happy new year. god save america 
31110 re merry christmas board dirtrunner thanks for the prayers but i think god has gave up on america. 
31111 re what's up with me... sbc350 no too much happening me really. i sold my car after the 2006 season to a protege who wanted get started in racing. 2007 drove pass mod for guy. did pretty well that and finished 4th points. won race had bunch of 2nds 3rds. 2008 pro stock guy an ok season. equipment wasn't quite as good top runners but managed pull off few decent finishes 2nd 3rd. last summer helped friend out hasn't raced 20 years. his is basically same thing ran from 1999-2006. he struggled at beginning being little rusty so let drive help him it going better. first night 100 lapper which have never past. again open show crashed chain reaction wreck. then one time thompson world series finishing 5th. aside not racing me. there possibility may guys all next if doesn't sell it. i'll be spectator. right now priorities are buy house woman situated. main reason own begin with. merry christmas you chris 
31112 crankshaft dirtrunner can anyone tell me where to look up some info on a sbc crank 
31113 re crankshaft sbc350 try mortec... www.mortec.com 
31114 re merry christmas board dan riley hey dirtrunner maybe it seems that way 'cause we've given-up on god. i know we're a mixed bag here but have many questions about america such as why is every bill passed in wash. has page after of freebies included it. money or laws given to friends the lawmakers 50 this new health pork for do we keep letting them get away with don't otherwise sane democrats listen people like glenn beck and o'reilly at least week hear what they are telling us before shutting off calling crazy isn't greatest nation world acting so young complacent non-caring country long their high pay sports teams hobbies entertain minorities happy see fall tyrants fail getting free handouts first each month me started.... think should fire single lawmaker washington throw all street. only thing necessary evil triumph good men nothing. submitting my humble opinion still our you prayers holiday season. take care other just enjoy great year how can make year. 
31115 radiator dimensions matt we are putting a new into our purestock. how close or far should the be to fan 
31116 re radiator dimensions 34 put your shroud on and it in the car until fan blades are 1 2 way ..fab a bracket ..weld ..done 
31117 re radiator dimensions dan riley following up on 34's comments. it doesn't really matter much how close the fan is to radiator. however too obviously bad as you don't want screwing itself through rad. if take a minor hit in front. 34 said put and place make your shroud long enough so that has 1 2 of blade stuck inside half sticking out back. care not have leaks nor where fits against best luck with it. always i wish other board members great new race season.................dan 
31118 re radiator dimensions dirtrunner you can seal up the leaks around your fan shroud with some spray foam that seals a window from local hardware store. 
31119 pit carts roundy i am building a new cart about 72 long as high can get etc. anyways wondering any suggestions for layout what you wish had in yours or do have that turned out to be great at the track. they re lot of work so want make it right and last. 
31120 re pit carts rich walling our cart was built on a go frame. 
31121 re pit carts jracer98 use bigger wider tires. quickly turn into a box filled up with steel . ha jay 
31122 re radiator dimensions guest does it make a difference if the fan is 1 2 in and out of shroud would hurt cooling performance to have all way by inch or two. 
31123 re pit carts j block think about brakes. nascar required everybody to put brakes on them which is smart. 
31124 re pit carts roundy has anyone just bought one from the manufacturers or maybe even spindle brake kits reccomendations 
31125 re pit carts alan circle track magizine has a plan for one on it's web site. it was several years ago. i have the plans that can email you if like. 
31126 re radiator dimensions alan 1 2 inch sounds a little close for comfort. if your fan shroud is sealed would make me feel better. just don't it too large around. you use plastic-- contack want hurt so bad. 
31127 re pit carts jracer98 google irvin-smith can't get this board to accept a link right now jay 
31128 re radiator dimensions 34 not a 1 2 ....the fan blades are half way inside the shroud ..and sticking outside shroud. and to guest ...yes ....having entire really effects your cooling ...pop hood of daily driver check out how factory does it. 
31129 re radiator dimensions matt guys thanks for all the feedback. i will let you know how it goes. 
31130 re radiator dimensions matt dan i remember you saying something a while ago about bolting the fan directly to water pump. did that correctly have nice 2 1 inch spacer which would like reuse. if anyone feels strongly is not optimum maybe can post it. thanks men. 
31131 re pit carts 22racing we have a c-tech all aluminum cart. has brakes storage both sides flip down stainless shelf on side for notes carb shock work lights in the main compartment powered from battery or plug into generator 110 outlet power charging radios cordless tool batteries roller bearings bottom nitrogen bottle built-in plumbing up to three air lines off one tank viewing platform top jack stand and bearing drawers. makes just an awesome piece could buy another car cost but our cart gets waxed cleaned more than anything else shop - 
31132 re bob paulin aka canuck mnmale1972 rip and to the members of this board a class group 
31133 re bob paulin aka canuck lucifer never met in person but always had great discussions on war board. he was posting as long i can remember far back when jon first started the site. a very knowledgeable racer positive and willing to help. we all take lesson from his example time pay it forward freely give back. there is everything gain nothing lose helping others. will be missed. 
31134 re bob paulin aka canuck 44dwarf anyone still have bob's post on how to prep twin tube shocks that were lay'ed down ship it was saved my computer but i lost all documents after the last virus attack..... 44 
31135 re bob paulin aka canuck j block do a search in the archives. nothing has ever been deleted so it to be there somewhere. 
31136 chevy c1500 5.7l losing coolant sc my tbi vortec heads i believe is coolant. leaked one good time about a year ago then refilled it and quit. now i'm putting in every week or so. don't see any visible on the ground. no dipstick gravy like substance oil. when its cold out tail pipes seem to be pumping steam of them. warm outside white smoke. what are areas should check first rating from cheap easy last hard expensive. figured water pump intake manifold would thoughts. heard friend that manifolds these engines notorious leakers 
31137 re chevy c1500 5.7l losing coolant rich walling my first thought was your last sentence. 
31138 re bob paulin aka canuck 44dwarf thanks john. i found it for shocks that have been shipped or layed down on there side. turn the shock upside so air in inner tube rises to bottom of and compress shock. rightside up base valve is immersed fluid extend when compressed any floats top piston rod displacement will force out into outer tube. pure take as extended. you might do more than one time some shocks. 
31139 re chevy c1500 5.7l losing coolant josh k. check the intake gaskets near front behind a c compressor and alt. also back corners. you will usually see it dripping off starter or bell housing area as well. 
31140 re pit carts bluegrey88 i found putting wheels tires on my cart made it much more pleasant to load and unload as well move around the area raceday.the 4 years without them was painful.just 2 cents 
31141 re chevy c1500 5.7l losing coolant gene those heads have a habit of cracking in the rear exhaust runners. 
31142 re chevy c1500 5.7l losing coolant mnmale1972 the smartest thing you can do is pressure test cooling syatem. if don't have equipment to it pay a shop it. will be worth money spent just save un needed repairs. think head gasket i would recomend same thing. suspect and want pinpoint that tell how check... need compression tester air compressor system fill funnel. andtools remove spark plugs seen these heads go bad.....but having been an auto tech for 25 years not overly common on street vehicle unless has over heated. actually blocks crack in valley....always drivers side foe some reason more than put on. this however cause milkshake your oil. get tester. are loosing fast find with tester....... intakes water pumps common. also radiator tank seems assuming aluminum plastic tanks. leak into core support. expect seeing any of leaks. 
31143 re chevy c1500 5.7l losing coolant dirtrunner go get some dye and put in the radiator. 
31144 re stock exhaust headers mnmale1972 dan just wanted to say that i did get a set of these and they look huge compared anything else have seen. had change my exhsuat match them but am very happy witht hem. don't any dyno numbers the car made almost 100 rpm after swapping manifolds exhaust. new pipes passing on info. mark 
31145 re stock exhaust headers dan riley the care made over 100 rpm i thought there was no hurry as it is too cold for you to be building car anyway folks..... seems still have mine sale mark can tell they are very hi-flow cast iron manifolds. hey y'all always....have a great new season......dan 
31146 re stock exhaust headers rick do they look 
31147 re stock exhaust headers dan riley they look absolutely 
31148 metric setup help - 1986 buick regal------webkitfo chris------webkitformboundarymhzzgf+dpd6ndi3k----- this will be my first year racing. i bought a regal street stock. the car was for asphalt. looking what should run on dirt. no weight jacks or spacers allowed. springs have to stock mounting with change spring cups etc. new front. 1250 rf 1000 lf. both are 12 . how these starting put in rear am not running sway bar front rear. just trying get ball park so can out track test. thinking of going 200 lr 175 rr. do you recommend. height purchased yet. is 1 4-1 2 mile low bank. dry slick most nights. especially mains. we required 10 slicks. 6 hoosiers 3 10.0 26.5-15 1080 inside and 27.0-15 outside. tire pressures recommend start with. any appreciated. thanks chris ------webkitformboundarymhzzgf+dpd6ndi3k ------webkitformboundaryeagwepit+l04jkgu 
31149 camaro lower a-arm part numbers search todd we have to run oem control arms. currently the arms that came with car when purchased it. been lucky enough not bent them so far. would like know exactly what year they are can pick up some spares. there many of i seen online look very simimlar but slightly different. anybody a website lists years etc. something page john has here casting for engine parts be great. thanks 
31150 re camaro lower a-arm part numbers search matt i run a also. even though can not provide any insight into actual will venture to say that lot of the years are probably interchangeable. on mine see weird tabs lowers have no idea what they for. stuff like may account for visual differences. appreciate you trying do though. there is nothing worse than buying and putting it on.....uhhhhhhh. 
31151 re camaro lower a-arm part numbers search todd yep - i can always take my measurements and compare them to the prospective new make sure they are compatable for gemoetry. it would just be nice have a list of easily replace components. 
31152 re camaro lower a-arm part numbers search todd i know this information on the years so far first generation 1967-1970 second 1970-1981 third 1982-1992 fourth 1993-1995 
31153 re camaro lower a-arm part numbers search devon every 70-81 and nova 74-78 has the same takes ball joint. all of big metric cars caprice impala 88 etc. 78 -87 are lower. many a body through 70's chevelle cutlass monte had belair dimensionally but took larger joint ussually 9 16 bolts vs 1 2 in camaro. ford ltd crown vic 80's with use bushings will fit longer take 
31154 re camaro lower a-arm part numbers search oval olds here is a list i generated awhile ago. for the original post type in autoware address and following. autoware-bin techarchive.pl noframes read 21828 copy. i've dug around www.car-part.com came up with front suspension interchanges 77 full size gm cars that believe correct. interchange entire unit balljoint bushings it unknown if there are more arms just have different bushings. used common car names parts from pont caddy buick lines will still work. other use bits pieces of fullsize wonder anything to gain by swapping upper arm. 77-96 85-89 astro van arm 77-79 nova 77-81 spindle 11 rotor a-2 a-6 bearing 77-78 bearings but likely a-3 79 last year line 80-90 square 91-96 round rotors might work as only real change was abs sensor 80-81 years body 
31155 re camaro lower a-arm part numbers search guest has anybody used the ford control arms. do they look stock is it obvious are a 
31156 re camaro lower a-arm part numbers search 34 i have and for me there way too much trouble .. yes ..there obviously not gm lowers ..they 3 trapaziod kinda holes in them ...the only reason people use is because longer the ones. here's what ya to do make work. -different ball joint- -fix trapazoid holes- bushings- also narrower than -the sping pocket a smaller 5 spring- your springs wont sit fit right spring pockets -you cut off rear frame mounts both sides fit. but besides that great or just take stock control arms slot bushing ..pull out where want ..weld some washers slotted ta da ...done 
31157 re camaro lower a-arm part numbers search guest know that was the info i looking for. not worth rtrouble in my book. and you are right. have moved rear control arm mounts disguised it so can do on fronts as well. thanks 34 
31158 re camaro lower a-arm part numbers search devon if were talking about putting the ford control arm on a 71-82 i have done it by narrowing bushings in cutoff saw and using balljoint with 70's impala spindles. you need to use just stitch weld into arm. they also come from factory 5.5 springs them will continue fit them. no modifications are required frame places ball joint 1 further out has 4 different fore aft location think rearward can't remember for sure . these arms can easily be used any that uses type steel or mono balls either chev stich welded screw ring in. your rules state make willing cheat pieces triangle shaped holes grind smooth paint. tell simple measurement though. 
31159 re camaro lower a-arm part numbers search 34 sooo much work for such little gain ...if you dont want to slot the frame mounts ...you can also take 2 stock gm lowers that actualy fit your car and make it as long have ask yourself exactly why are doing this ....it's because they an inch longer correct ...either of methods i mentioned do more ...for a fraction time money ford ..heres some other reasons why. -fit better- -much cheaper- -alot less work- -the reeks havoc on setting up front end did see what happened geometry after used but each there own ...alot guys run ...i'm way lazy always look easiest best ways things with out re-inventing wheel. 
31160 pinion angle gentry88 just surfing around the net and came acrosss a post about leaf spring cars needing more angle..my question is has anyone ever seen to little cause front yoke bind up in tailshaft bushing pull it out of transmission my current setup powerglide on stock crossmember with rubber mnt 4' at ride height..i think was tight bushing..but this thing got me wondering..thanks advance tj 
31161 re pinion angle gene i've seen more of them bottom out on the tranny put shaft and blow trans apart than fall car because being to short. jeep has a yoke that fits power glides are splined all way through about 2 longer. sorry don't recall part number. maybe bert will. 
31162 re camaro lower a-arm part numbers search big bore we have cut cropped gm lowers. simple way- weld tabs to a steel table simulate the frame mounts. bolt your lowers in place on table. mark current balljoint location extend it 1 outbound jig at that point or too whatever you intend add for length. near sway bar hole don't move spring pocket and end up with small portion of w intact. jig. now 3 16's plate material under overlap as much possible. also bit over original swaybar grind blend looks. if tech guys gets nosey tell him has oval'ed out beefed up. unless they measure directly can't paint bright orange 
31163 a-arm angles dennis smith i was looking at some pics of asphalt late model front ends and noticed that on cars the right side upper mounts were angled frame left straight with any reason cant find info web except nascar guys called one a 60 degree other 90 but it. this is top view arms. thanks for 
31164 re pinion angle dirtrunner i think had 5 degrees on my 3link and leaf car with a stock yoke. 
31165 re pinion angle gentry88 thats what i figured wold happen is bottom out the shaft and either knock seal or destroy trans..thats why asked this question..got about 1 2 inches travel on yoke if that means anything..thanks again tj 
31166 trailing arms 3 link 97bubba i have to shorten the lower on my mod. they are 26ish now and can be 24 max. just weld extension tabs rear end mounts or do move frame mounts. am thinking should but it would easier extend forward kinda think will work wondering if not why lol dave 
31167 re a-arm angles dave like caster split its called anti dive split. when the rf has more angle then lf what it does is load wheel under brakeing 
31168 re trailing arms 3 link 44dwarf move the front mounts if you rear housing pinon will scribe some strange angles and roll steer would be way strange...i think. 44 
31169 re trailing arms 3 link big bore change the frame mounts. extended inboard rear end mounts will your pivot arm action as rotates. picture top heim it pivots vs. lower trail if you move lowers most likely get a binding situation. 
31170 re trailing arms 3 link 97bubba that is kinda what i was thinking since wrote found a bracket and way of mounting said actually easier than extending the rear end mounts. lol more or less wanted to hear on right track. dave 
31171 re a-arm angles dennis smith thanks for the response dave but pics i was looking at had whole on an angle to frame it from a top view right left in line with maybe is nothing just wondering why. 
31172 re a-arm angles devon i assume it has something to do with caster change. having the right on a angle front mount further inboard would give gain through bump. 
31173 re chevy c1500 5.7l losing coolant sc found it a big leak that showed its head. right behind the ac compressor around 2nd bolt from front. checked bolts and they were tight. so looks like i'll be pulling intake putting in new gaskets on friday. hope this is all thats wrong with it. 9 gal of getting old fast...haha pain arse job bunch brackets off distributor out. more crap for me to get reassembly..haha 1st time sbc repair 8 cylinders. i'm used ford 2.3l side easy pull no inteference. ..and yes mn i do have stock aluminum radiator plastic tanks resevoir passenger beside fuel pump relay circuit. after sure pressure see anything else tools hobby shop base check out...thanks again yall will post results if think too. 
31174 re trailing arms 3 link dirtrunner just weld longer brackets on the old frame mounts. axle steer will be faster. 
31175 re chevy c1500 5.7l losing coolant mnmale1972 never did say what year it was if is the vortec motor with air cleaner on fender and not tbi top of motor..... there a fitting intake that pot metal.....they almost always are leaking or will leak. off now time to replace that. also they break when you try remove them...they made metal very fragile after corrode. this style need use scratch awl fine tip sharpy mark rotor distributor intake.....needs go back in exact same spot have check engine light. let me know any more info. bad job at all. 
31176 re a-arm angles dennis smith thanks devon that makes sense i didnt think of caster gain. 
31177 re a-arm angles rich walling will more caster gain loosen up the mid turn so you can use cross to get off corner 
31178 spindle height racer44 is a 84 caprice wagon taller than 74-77 monte i've searched the archives and can't come up with an answer. 
31179 re a-arm angles dennis smith rich the only thing that i can think of is as right front gains caster car would want to steer left on its own more dont know if this loosen mid turn or not good question. 
31180 re spindle height mnmale1972 from my experience those spindles would be the same size other than bearing size......and only outer might different. 
31181 16 inch racing wheel mnmale1972 anybody know of a 16in 5 x 4 3 
31182 re 16 inch racing wheel racer_dave i don't off hand. who makes a tire and where is it legal 
31183 re a-arm angles devon more caster will loosen the car when steering is turned to left. picture in excess say 45 degrees as you left wheel would be going down and right up dewedging chassis. 
31184 re a-arm angles dirtrunner on a street car the caster is set 1 4-1 2 degree higher right side than left. roads have crown in middle for rain to run off. so if you're flat road your may pull left little. will least amount of caster. 
31185 re 16 inch racing wheel mnmale1972 it would be a radial for an enduro class......just thinking out of the box. 
31186 re 16 inch racing wheel gene you are on the right track. gm cop cars have wheels they better built than typical street wheels. most dot tires performance type so i do agree with direction you're thinking. take a look at tire rack 's web site for various tires. ever see those rally speed channel well was able to get d.o.t. race compound through them few years ago worked great dealt kurt but he has retired lost my inside connection. 
31187 chassis type questions racer_dave looking at running a limited late model along with my modified for this year. new llm rules give the following weights 2850 base all stock lower a-frame cars add 50lbs racing trans bert brinn rack and pinion 100lbs strut front end rule subtract 50 lbs full template abc body max weight to be 3000 will square tube underslung rear ends least fast ones are 3 4 link allowed. 5 spring coilovers allowed of us 500hp or take i have line on good lefthander that is steering. 2sp muncie i'd weigh 2950. i'm wondering if above stub car big deal given unsprung about 30 less. also there no left side so extra lead go frame rail. do you think 100 hurt can't help going faster more responsive even penalty. would run thanks dave 
31188 trailing arm brackets - slotted todd our street stock car currently does not have adjustable brackets. we would like to add that adjustability. the has oem frame rails and a ford 9 rear end. idealy put mounts where attaches but it be alot of work. in order keep mounting points same location height width etc fram notched mounts. point goes directly into frame. so all this leads question there any problem with on housing instead at things cross my mind are 1. affect squat anti-squat stuff 2. mouting tendency move due forces other words hard time staying 'locked slot 3. anything else i am thinking thanks. 
31189 re 16 inch racing wheel anonymous1 rockford speedway roadrunner division uses the rim.... i am not sure who they purchase rims from... maybe lefthander chassis. you could probably call for more information. 
31190 re trailing arm brackets - slotted lm15 yes it will effect the squat anti-squat stuff but that's kind of point. if your upper link has a spring in soft rubber bushings etc then adjusting arms at rearend have dramatic on rear steer during acceleration. as wraps up pivots lower mounts. one these is higher than other also steer. angles an anyways this case be multiplied. could make dialing and hitting that sweet spot really hard. solidly mounted without any springs etc... i'd just go for it. 
31191 re a-arm angles 22racing hey devon forgive my ignorance but if you raise the right front and lower left wouldn't be increasing wedge want to tighten car rear or as increase corner height add more weight 
31192 re 16 inch racing wheel mnmale1972 thanks for the info guys 
31193 soft brake pedal dave i havent posted to this site in years but need some help. my 2001 ford expidition has a pedal. two master cyliders later and bleeding the brakes multiple times still goes after few stops. cant find any leaks. dealer said blead anti lock system that would cost 150.00 might not solve problem. insight or ideas houck 
31194 re soft brake pedal 44dwarf i've not had to yet but i'm told with the new abs unit they need be hooked up and stroking bleed them corectly. someone me do it throught obdii conector. check out fordtrucks dot com 44 
31195 chassis newsletters j block if you have followed mark ortiz's the last three are now posted over on business side www.auto-ware.com techref lib_index.htm 
31196 re 16 inch racing wheel rick diamond race wheels makes 
31197 re soft brake pedal david hi i also don't post often but our racing has been put on the back burner anyways first did u bench bleed master cyl's before installed them truck should be able to that system just like any outher i've had limited expernce with a couple ford exploders simular prob we ended up junk yard abs unit fix and ya call not explore's lol after install always start bleeding there if need at as well hope helps some good luck 
31198 re soft brake pedal mnmale1972 there should really be no special bleeding for that abs system. however if you have a bad dump valve. personally my recomendation would to check all slides. hung up caliper slide will cause similar problem. seems goo but sometimes mushy. otherwise the next step is pinch hoses off and see peddle hard. hard as rock with little or travel. then helper on release each corner individualy till find pedal. corners pinched of problem in master module. 25 years experience tells me look at 
31199 re soft brake pedal dave thanks for the ideas i will work on truck this week end and send feed back. as a side note do recognize name 44 dwarf. does burt brown still use site 
31200 re chassis newsletters mnmale1972 thanks john. 
31201  to all board participants j block congrats we have had over half a million readers visited these questions answers in this great pool of knowledge. so what's next should keep more or fewer posts the current section archives one develop code subjects identify specific things dirt vs asphalt flat high banked etc format change newer message do you prefer question week its ypur tell me what can take tool level 
31202 re to all board participants dennis smith hey john i like it the way is race asphalt but read everything on here even dirt stuff these guys are a lot of help. 
31203 front clip id dennis smith hello does anybody have any idea where to find the measurements or info on gm metric frames i one my mod but do not know what year it is off of cant use wheel bearing spindle number because has 1972 chevelle lower a arms and spindles that were added it. help just point me in right direction 8 hours web no luck 
31204 re front clip id gene any gm dealer that has a frame shop will have info. 
31205 re a-arm angles devon i was refering to the tires. left tire would be moving in a downward direction and right upward. angle of control arm shaft will also effect bumpsteer slightly with caster gain 
31206 re front clip id dennis smith thanks gene will try that. 
31207 re front clip id jim roxbury i do not know if you can post a file on here. have the info that need in jpeg file. your e-mail or send it to me at roxburyracing hughes.net and will 
31208 re 16 inch racing wheel bluestreak40 summit has them 60 dollars. cragar makes i beleive. 
31209 re front clip id dennis smith jim thanks for the info guys on this board rocks 
31210 re spindle height 00joe that is correct. they are the same geometry wise its just bearings and rotors different. i actually went through this escapade last week. 
31211 re front clip id 00joe or any body shop with a frame machine should have access to that 
31212 intake manifold jracer98 2500 lb pavement mod...sbc 355 3.48 crank ...10.8 to 1...flat tappet...4412 gas...dart 200cc 62cc as cast heads. hp peaks at 5500 torque 4500. i have an edelbrock torquer ii 5001 victor 2v 2901 jr 2975 and super 2925 brz. position adjustable phenolic adapter does anyone any dyno or real world experience on the best choice thanks jay 
31213 re to all board participants 44dwarf imho don't change a thing my other boards are in constant update mess. save your and leave it be. it's easy use as is. thanks for the space 
31214 re intake manifold 97bubba you wont be disapointed with the sportsman 2v. i had one on of my cars and it rocked. wish was allowed to run weekly car. nephew raced dirt a similar motor package as yours won quite bit. they are really good lots torque for single plane manifold. top end. kept gearing around 64-6500 rpm plenty fast what we did it. took off victor jr put 2v picked up couple tenths. don't know about your cam but being limited 4412 2bbl is perfect choice me its designed 4412. dave 
31215 re front clip id dirtrunner i will check where work to see if it goes back that far. 
31216 re front clip id dennis smith thanks dirtrunner 
31217 re to all board participants racer_dave i like it the way is too. a different software pkg might be able give flashier look but that's kind of 30 000 trailer doesn't make racecar go any faster. so keep its easy use and gives us what we need. spend your time where matters. imo anyway. thanks for taking care long. 
31218 re to all board participants todd i like the simplicity but it is kinda hard fish throught posts sometimes. think a little update would be great. maybe not necessarily seperating subject areas couple of areas. will some stuff and make suggestions. thanks for making site available us. 
31219 re to all board participants chris maybe going a such as php-bb and just leaving it open with only 1 section post in or two asphalt dirt would keep things bit cleaner still deliver the posts. 
31220 ratchet rearend igottawin is there an advantage to using a type over spool. i race street stock w ford 9in on 3 8 oval with some banking. thanks for any advise 
31221 re to all board participants lucifer i like war the way it is... there is a certain look and feel that helps make more of community. other boards may have special features but just isn't same. 
31222 re ratchet rearend rich walling i can't tell you anything except all the fast guys at 2 tracks we go to have them. 
31223 re ratchet rearend j block dirt or pavement there is a big difference. 
31224 re ratchet rearend igottawin its a paved track. 
31225 re ratchet rearend 97bubba except eddie he has a spool in everything if you can get the stagger then drive deeper not is way to go. other thing consider maintenance pretty much 0 required springs must be changed every 6-10 races depending on color used. dave 
31226 re to all board participants matt i think the works pretty well. like bone-stock feel. maybe it could be organized along categories motor chassis fab welding tooling safety. that would my only suggestion still well as is. thanks. 
31227 re soft brake pedal matt good ideas with pinching off the lines at each corner. when you bleed do run all of fluid through as in using entire quart i get a stuck or sticking caliper can usually feel that rotor maybe whole rim is smoking hot. anti-sieze your slides regularly. sorry am sure know one already. think abs biggest gimmick automotive history. let us how it goes. 
31228 what do you think about this format todd here is a link to an old board linked our website www.speedwaytire.com bbs any better or worse than the current model i like ability post pictures. it would probably help alot when trying explain some topics on board. just come up with suggestions. 
31229 re ratchet rearend rich walling eddie ain't as fast he used to be.lol 
31230 re soft brake pedal mnmale1972 matt i am guessing you do not live in minnesota as or would feel different about antilock brakes. very good on snow and ice but the abs will out stop me everytime. anyway a caliper slide that sticks does always make hang up hence low pedal. if one of two slides calipe have to push piston further contact rotor. 
31231 re soft brake pedal matt good thoughts on a pedal. i live in new york so have some experience snow. always driven standard trans and just take it easy use my gears. respect what you are saying though. 
31232 re ratchet rearend 97bubba i wouldn't say that would some caught up we will see what the old man has in store for kids this year. lol dave 
31233 re front clip id paul look in the dirt forum toolbox for info they have pictures and measurements 
31234 rollcage question matt a number of you posted some valuable techniques about how to straighten bent frames when i was working on that last summer. thank you. well we have the frame within 3 16 . needed portapower window post and roof halo where they in right side. our car has an x behind seat rear main hoop. bar runs from center down oem rail right. authorities refer does this as bay bar. same point up junction bridge see guys with neither one both these bars. only one. anyone recommend other pros cons are there dangers too rigid cage 
31235 re what do you think about this format mnmale1972 i was thinking the whole time thread has been up that no changes need to be made until a good pooint just made. ability post pictures would nice for certain instances. other than like as it is. mark 
31236 re front clip id dirtrunner sorry only goes back to 88 
31237 re ratchet rearend alan deffintly use one on asphault. sythetic oil to keep the heat a minumin and you probably can go all year springs. strong one's--i think they are purple i am terible spellerrrr . 
31238 re ratchet rearend rich walling i didn't think you should use synthetic in your locker. it's too slippery. guess was mistaken. 
31239 re intake manifold alan if you haven't angle milled your heads by all means do so. i would perfer the one that matches my ports best. for more top end use 2925 bottom 2901. thats thought and i'm sticking to it--lol. 
31240 trailingarm bushings lawnboy i have standard metric 4 link on dirt what do any of you suggest for the rear trailing arms need bite thanks. 
31241 re trailingarm bushings 34 use spherical rod end on the lower left only ..all others oldest softest ones ya can find. 
31242 re trailingarm bushings lawnboy both ends 
31243 hei distributor mnmale1972 wondering about opinons on the after market distributors such as flamethrower or d.u.i models. i am in need of anothe and usually just get cheapys put a new module coil them. if anyone has experience with these they are worth money spent. thanks mark 
31244 re hei distributor rich walling i used a stock chevy with the dui mods cap rotor coil and module was on cars that won at least two championships know of. 
31245 re trailingarm bushings hogracer3d yes both ends 
31246 re trailingarm bushings swaybar just curious because i'm new to the 4-link also. why not run spherical in all trailing arms 
31247 re what do you think about this format ja i'm a bit late weighing in on but- pictures would be good but try to keep the current format. i've been other boards where they changed and i hated it. 
31248 re ratchet rearend alan there is no friction disk in a detroit locker and others as such. check out the break down of one at--quick change exchange.com. it's metal against metal. 
31249 re trailingarm bushings dirtrunner it helps with rear steer if that's what you need to help the car. 
31250 re hei distributor sbc350 i bought an msd pro-billet and ran that for a few years up til sold my car. it comes with nice billet housing ball bearings coil module hardened gear you can tailor the mechanical advance series of different bushings springs are included. never had problem won two championships it. be careful whe looking around at cheapies. most them like pro comp brand made in china i've known people who have problems cam gears wearing out. on car worked last year raced couple times we 602 crate motor genuine gm distributor. piece also has melonized which is bonus too. 
31251 re intake manifold sbc350 i agree with this guy 
31252 re intake manifold jracer98 head specs are the rules and heads at limit of rules. thanks for opinion on jay 
31253 control arms mnmale1972 does anybody know the actual differences between 77-79 impala lower controla rms compared with older chevelle 73 to 77 monte carlo and newer controls my search on car-part shows they are not same but wondering what physical are. id there advantage running anything other than stock lowers in i remeber saying something about maybe being longer thanks if anyone has this info. mark 
31254 re hei distributor dirtrunner i've used the msd pro also for 3 years with no problems. 
31255 re ratchet rearend igottawin thanks for everyones input..now if i use one do shrink the stagger or leave it alone should change anything else to make work 
31256 re ratchet rearend bluestreak40 we run 1 2 stagger across the back on both a 3 8 and 4 10 asphalt track. 9 ford black springs in 3300 lb. camaro. 
31257 updated chevy c1500 5.7l losing coolant sc well good news and some bad. pulled intake found all corners of both gaskets almost non-existent wore out. one corner was a lil corroded but not so bad that rtv wouldn't do the job sealing i know crutch better than new or jb welding for time being marked distributor put back in dang thing start. double checked everything dead on tdc as called my truck w automatic with computer disconnected tan black lead . come to find out forgot plug module power connector into distributor...whew. leak is 99 solved. nipple mentioned last post...after had reinstalled hope it'll while still motor. problem came up have oil now top rear engine looks like has it. rtv'd valleys between heads replaced gasket. what could cause this after installed 
31258 re hei distributor mnmale1972 thanks guys. 
31259 mad house mnmale1972 anyone watch tongiht it's on sunday nights the history channel. i thought autoware might get a free plug. they were using johns software but weren't smart enough to figure it out. that sucks. maybe next week 
31260 re mad house rich walling i don't think they could pour piss out of a boot if the directions were written on heal. 
31261 re ratchet rearend alan for stager i would use from 3 4 to 1-1 2. prefer the purple springs and as usual tire temps-- give car what it needs. good luck 
31262 re mad house j block which episode our local cable did not carry it this weekend but i can watch online if knew show 5 
31263 re mad house rich walling after seeing my last comment it sounded a little mean. was meant to be funny but i realized just how stupid was. they must have learned something because of the 70 races won. don't know measure car doesn't make them stupid. apologize. 
31264 re mad house mnmale1972 i am not sure which episode because can't look back but it was the full moon 100 lap race episode. also pretty a new so whatever newest on is. will see if can figure out. 
31265 re mad house j block 10-4 i'll see if i can find that one. 
31266 re mad house dan riley ya know i couldn't sit through a whole hour of that s the first time and last night could only stomach 5 minutes it. are these guys for real it's not way see it happen at our track course we run on 3 4 mile dirt oval. those boys would cry like babies if they had to their pretty little hobby cars track....lol stay safe everyone....have great new season.......dan 
31267 re mad house hogracer3d that show they did on spike a few years ago about rattlesnake in fallon nv made some of those guys look like hillbillies as well. but are actually nice group racers we went up there and raced because had great time. 
31268 re mad house mnmale1972 speed was at my home track raceway park taping for a possible show called north vesus south. after seeing some of these other shows i am hesitant to be on one. lol. it is interesting watch say the least. 
31269 greedy mad house gene i gotta believe that these people make more money by acting goffey. its not only this show all biker car shows have on them need prozac or some other med to calm down. minor league non actors for mini dollars. 
31270 re updated chevy c1500 5.7l losing coolant mnmale1972 only 3 things could be leaking back there. either you smeared the rtv and intake itself is leaking. distributor gasket missing broken or all old one did not get cleaned off oil sending unit which i believe still there....... as for fitting leaking....i tried to warn you...lol. it can fixed on motor. use a small recipricating saw slic inside of in three spots am assuming that has been flush with then hammer chisel pices broke free. try cut into threads us pipe tap clean screw new fitting. good luck. 
31271 re ratchet rearend lm15 it's still going to depend largely on the track. at a little 1 4mi 12deg paperclip track we run about 2.5 with and 3.5 spool. elko 3 8mi 10-14deg circle 2.25 2.75 this is super late 65 trackwidth 10 tire 
31272 building a new metric rick53 i'm currently monte carlo for this season and i have few questions to ask about the rear trailing arms. first off want try lower roll center. by doing am moving upper arms upward on chassis. does anybody know what kind of angle these should be at how far move them up my ride heights will 6 front 7-7 1 2 rear. also lowered control arm mounts raise run larger sway bar stock end ran bar. use ss now 
31273 re building a new metric todd i am wondering how raising the rear control arms will lower roll center. can you explain that to me 
31274 re soft brake pedal dave i did find a leak in the system. on end of master there is an electronic sensor that was wet with fluid. tried to one at local parts store thinking it would be called good old ford named power steering fluid sensor. after figured out abble purchase and bleed brakes. vehicle stops fine but will still go floor when stopped slow steady pressure. thanks for all help 
31275 re soft brake pedal dirtrunner i think that's the sensor that goes bad and catches on fire. ford has a problem with these. 
31276 re greedy mad house dan riley excellent observation gene. if the segments were 1-1 2 hours long they'd be called b movies. i wonder how far and wide they traveled to find a place with people like that...... hey everybody........have great new season.......dan 
31277 re soft brake pedal dirtrunner it's a cruise control deactivation switch 
31278 re greedy mad house lucifer there's no show if drama... 
31279 bbss metric front geometry john hey guys building a car for 1 2 mile pretty flat wide rough asphalt oval. is chassis with halfassed 3 link out back left-upper arm in place right-upper removed panhard bar ... probably switch to true 3rd member later on... using ub machine tubular uppers control mounts moved parallel. springs are 700 800 4 bar. rear i'm thinking 200 and 225 as starting point better suggestion we do have weight jackers back. aware we'll see more camber change on the l f less r f... but wondering if anyone has suggestions baseline caster toe that can start before head track after which of course tune tire temperatures. this my first time setting up always ran conventional raced at high-banked track... 
31280 re bbss metric front geometry swaybar couple of thoughts....if the setup you listed is what you'll be running that would not considered a setup. straight up conventional. being said i think it's decent can work well. start with about 2 degrees caster on left and 5 right. 3 positive camber adjust those according to your tire pressures. minimize bump steer set toe-out at 1 8 static. are shock rules even additional rebound in lf will good thing. 
31281 re greedy mad house 22racing hey guys john said he could watch full episodes on line i have googled and can't find it anywhere just clips. where do you the whole show history channel in canada is completely different not shown here at all... 
31282 re greedy mad house j block www.history.com video.do name madhouse 
31283 re bbss metric front geometry tigeraid well i do understand that it's sort of halfway between a real with 500 or 600 lb springs and 2 swaybar ... but compared to the cars currently racing conventional setups there 1200 1000 thing considered radical. shock rule is stock mount 100 max per shock. have set pro shocks don't part number handy they are adjustable know i'll need bunch rebound. 
31284 re bbss metric front geometry swaybar 500 600 springs would even be considered stiff in a true setup. i think your setup has the potential to work very well. if you are limited stock mount shocks wouldn't go too much softer than what listed. can run qa1 mounts and have access shock specialist get set of those built that will do exactly want. 
31285 re greedy mad house 22racing thanks john so much for being computer savvy i'm not sure if blind or illiterate maybe both... 
31286 re bbss metric front geometry deeddude swaybar has given you some very good info. i would like to a few thoughts. can lower the springs down 500s and raise rr up 600. there is stock sway bar that will fit chassis about 1 7 16 in diameter it didn't however come on those chassis's. had decent luck with this set-up 3 8 mile track. 
31287 re greedy mad house j block no prob. did you watch them 
31288 re greedy mad house 22racing yes i watched both episodes that were available. quite a show isn't it like or not you have to agree the antics of guys on this are main reason they put 18 000 screaming fans into bowman gray. want my stuff tore up every week but our local track could use small dose some good guy-bad guy rivalries empty stands constant threat shutting us down. hate admit racers in business... 
31289 re greedy mad house 22racing i'm still not sure how you got me that link but i can't find anything without copying and pasting it in my browser. was wondering if more episodes were available thanks 
31290 re bbss metric front geometry john what would you guys recommend in terms of fine tuning weight jackers on the aren't permitted so i can take wedge and out with adjustable spring spacers back those allstar ones spin manually but can't touch ones... other hand swaybar links laid rules a lot at delaware run threaded rod left side... will it make big enough difference adding removing preload to tune end or should buy pile springs try 
31291 re bbss metric front geometry rich walling way back before portable scales came on the scene. my cousin had a 66 ford that he ran as street stock. asked how could make it handle better. an open rear end so we put biggest tires right and left rear. then made sway bar links out of 7 16 allthread with 4 big block chevy rocker arm balls each end. proceeded to lenghten shorten got 2 bite tire when jacking up at center. do no weight jacks. also thin bar. bigger one would give more preload. car super until t-boned during pileup. 
31292 re trailingarm bushings devon the factory opposing four link rear suspension uses bind to laterally locate differential. not only do have twist but they lengthen and shorten a certain amount as travels. you can use solid type bushing in any more than 1 of links for this reason. 
31293 re greedy mad house dennis smith john kinda strange that juniors crew could not figure out your software but win the next race well i guess wouldnt tell comp either. in speedway anyways its nuts real. 
31294 re bbss metric front geometry swaybar on a suspension that is relatively non-adjustable sway bar adjustments can be huge. the larger more you notice adjustments. if stock mounted use type end link right and make left side adjustable. to tighten car corner exit add preload of bar. like rich said stagger also very big tool cars. your rear diff open don't afraid run reverse that's what it takes get cross need. 
31295 cross weight c im still new to racing and updating my front rear suspension geometry of car dwarfcar working find a balanced setup. ive always had issues on where start for how get optimal . it seems like some mystery number i cant figure out to. whats the best at will discover what direction go with as would have change cambers casters spring such way setting up car. if someone could shed light subject weights your range appreciate it. please ask haven't included important information. 
31296 re cross weight racer_dave well a lot of it has to do with the kind car you are running. i always heard rule thumb for pavement was set equal left start. any time i've done that way too tight and adjusted from there but starting point. if i'm going new track never raced at before sometimes still go back this because don't want be loose first out. sure other guys here will have tips. 
31297 re trailingarm bushings eddie southwest speed makes some that are rebuildable and tuneable since there bushing with 2 hardnesses available. they pretty nice pieces alike eneough to stock imca even allows them in all classes. 
31298 shock rate tucker16t building a new street stock and looking for some info. the chassis is 81 caprice spring rates are as follows 800 l f 750r 225 r 200 . 1.25 sway bar front rc height 4.5 at 4.0 left rear 12.25 height. im trying to stay conventional with set up but still alittle soft run more rebound get car quicker like bbss oh yeah this asphalt weighing 3 135 four link on hoosier 790 series tire 7 tread track 1 4 mile flat maybe 6 8 degrees of banking. no side weight rule my will probably be around 49. hope thats enough info feedback. 
31299 re bbss metric front geometry tigeraid what are your guys' thoughts on the halfassed 3-link i know a properly mounted 3rd link with bracket off top of diff is best setup but i'm budget and will be doing that later. few guys at delaware said they ran remove right-upper control arm add panhard bar it worked reasonably well. has anyone else seen in action 
31300 re shock rate rich walling if you have to use stock shocks search canuuk on this site. he has a blurb what the rates of different models small trucks. cannot find it i think saved may other computer and will post again. can after market racing then disregard post. 
31301 re bbss metric front geometry rich walling i saw that setup on a street stock 10 years ago at our track. it must have worked reasonably well because few were using it. 
31302 re shock rate alan my thinking is that you need to reverse the spring on front 150 pounds split with rigrt being larger. other rates seem be ok. shocks lf- 500lb. rebound-comp 300lb. rf- 400lb. 250lb lr- 400lb 200lb rr- 175lb 200-250lb this just opion . mite want try uping rebound 100lbs. good luck 
31303 re shock rate tucker16t i can run after market shocks like the pro wb series or ta series. front and rear are also mounted outboard. thanks for suggestions anybody else 
31304 re cross weight swaybar i would guess that the rule of thumb if there is such a thing for dwarf car be much different than full sized car. old running same as left side pretty out-dated. try to run little possible without sacrificing forward bite on exit. 
31305 re trailingarm bushings swaybar devon i would say that there are enough people using the spherical heim type in all links to dispel your statement only one link can be solid. 
31306 re cross weight 44dwarf baseline for most high-banked asphalt tracks in new england. by tony leary tire pressures lf 18 rf 22.5 lr 19 rr springs 180 200 160 front end specs. 1 8 toe out. deg camber 2 caster 4 and set using magnetic base angle finder on backside of brake disk. is checked turning wheels 20 to left or center notating then right noting again taking the difference. 6 inches at tread. ride heights with out driver. note no lower ball joints may go bind 7 every car different but this up chevette 5 16 5.0 spindle should not bottom done x place between tires scale ramps after setting pressures. corner weights driver gas toped off. your will be 297 262 305 292 336 280 366 342.5 total 48.8 53 53.5 rear. percentages above 44 
31307 re cross weight c 44dwarf those are the current springs you running in your car how do find soft setup 
31308 re shock rate dave i beleive a stock 4 link rc is around 19 to 20in high you should think about 175 or 150 rr spring 
31309 re shock rate tucker16t i have moved the suspension mounting points in order to lower rear r.c. . it is at 12.5 from ground so should run a lot of rebound fronts also does this make car more responsive 
31310 re trailingarm bushings nick odell i have been considering running dca's sphericals and curious if anyone has experiance with them. asphalt car. 
31311 re trailingarm bushings swaybar nick i just installed 6 of them all but the 2 on top rear end housing. haven't run yet - first practice is next weekend. i'll let you know. 
31312 re cross weight 44dwarf those are the rate on my home built before new front end work. that set up used a 7 8 bar with 12.5 inch arms. it worked great. now i couldn't fit old so got 5 longer arms and stiffer springs....the was much better. other car jaxport big mans its some strange rates factory gave me tried fast but had problem didn't make back for last race... i've spring posted ready to toss in at practice day months away we still snow ice...brrr 17deg f outside windy. 44 
31313 re trailingarm bushings nick odell cool. good luck. 
31314 re trailingarm bushings devon you can make them all solid if want to it's not a physical impossibility. 
31315 re shock rate rich walling go to pro shocks website. you do have a computer right use the google and scroll down wb they recomendation for asphalt. i would real light like 3 or 4 on rear maybe little heavier in compression front. but look it talk tech guys at pro. aren't that expensive so buy 6 7 play with them. please explain how got roll center 12.5 . didn't think was possible link. 
31316 re shock rate tucker16t thanks rich . as for your question on the rear roll center i relocated upper and lower trailing arm mounts mount chassis was raised 3.5 lowered 4 end 5 at are slider boxs fabbed out of 1 steel to get correct angle bite little possible steer asphalt car stock measured 17.75 height center. after mods it 12.5 now binding or other problems who knows hope works put monoball bushings in contoll arms rubber mounts. 
31317 re shock rate rich walling i guess you know what are doing. i'm not playing the stock chassis game anymore so ever works. would be interested on how your new setup comes off corner. if it were me wouldn't worry about roll centers. can work things out with spring rates. mid american cars have a pretty high center and they go real fast at tracks around here. only 1 2 second from late model times. my .02. free advice is worth exactly pay for it. 
31318 5 springs on gm oem lowers guest anyone running vs. 5.5 front camaro will the sring seat ok we have a car with screwjacks and are almost touching frame rail. 
31319 parts suppliers mnmale1972 not sure if this is an acceptable post or but wondering where you guys buy your race parts. i have always used day motorsports speedway and northern just stumbled across capitial warehouse there prices are pretty good. other options am aware of. mark 
31320 topic of the week - radiator hoses j block what has worked for you and or problems have encountered i.e. no spring vs clamps 
31321 re topic of the week - radiator hoses mnmale1972 i have always used stock hoses.....i spray carb cleaner on my necks and hose then slip on. is an excellent lube for hose...i put some pretty small very large fittings with spray...... anyway once drys it kind seals to neck or fitting a regular clamp holds perfect. 
31322 re parts suppliers 44dwarf ya capital is a good place. there about 100 miles from me but i get my stuff next day most of the time. they have stock southwest speed another one. got nos rack off e-bay for cheap and things work art.. hate to put it on car. 44 
31323 re topic of the week - radiator hoses swaybar for bottom hose gates green-stripe with spring molded into hose. top 1 2 hydraulic is what we've used. it very rigid and will nose collapse. in them stink has always ended up on our stuff. 
31324 re parts suppliers swaybar day speedway lefthander. the service at and is hard to beat. 
31325 re topic of the week - radiator hoses rich walling my driver works for a chevy parts dept so we use stock formed with double clamps. 
31326 re parts suppliers rich walling i try to buy stuff locally from brick and morter guys. sometimes it's better pay a few dollars more get service on weekends or holidyas when the other guys can't be bothered. 
31327 re parts suppliers racer_dave lefthander becasue shipping is only 1 day and i don't have to pay extra for it speedway- 2 prices a bit lower than lane automotive motor state distributing - 45 minutes away as big or bigger the other so if need in hurry can get are ok but sometimes high. they do pricematch though. motorsports sale local speedshop too. support them then won't be there when them. chain- o-reilly's usually has anything sponsor mod tour run shop there. 
31328 late model question rich walling if you wanted to cause the car have a slight push on entry so can adjust it out with left rear rebound what would be best way cross weight swaybar preload spring rate bar which do think without screwing up mid turn and why 
31329 late model question rich walling if you wanted to cause the car have a slight push on entry so can adjust it out with left rear rebound what would be best way cross weight swaybar preload spring rate or bar which do think without screwing up mid turn and why 
31330 re topic of the week - radiator hoses racer_dave gates green stripe or yellow with molded in springs and i use good clamps not cheapo ones. have never had a problem. 
31331 re parts suppliers big bore lane automotive supplies 70 of those part houses. 
31332 re late model question big bore sway bar shouldn't effect mid turn. cross will. 
31333 re late model question rcj might try brake balance.decrease toe out.these changes have more effect on entry and smaller the rest of turn.i've used front spring split to tune if a stiffer l f would not hurt corner i'd it .depends track layout.i look at find change that help apex exit.can you add rebound both rear shocks 
31334 re parts suppliers alan in the south i use portcity racing and also racecar engineering fl. 
31335 re parts suppliers mnmale1972 wow....didn't expect so many responses. i would prefer to use the local and do for certain things but there is much political bs involved with using them that get most of my stuff from mail order guys. thanks names. 
31336 re parts suppliers racer_dave yes they do supply a lot of the mail order companes through motor state. but if you go to counter there guys are all racers or hot rodders. know their stuff without question. what i don't like is catalog doesn't have prices so look up pricing sheet. pain in butt. 
31337 re parts suppliers 44dwarf you guys with local supplers are lucky..... there no close by speed shop around here anymore...capitals my closest one. 44 
31338 re parts suppliers big bore that's because the lane catalog is piggy back to other houses page per page. look at pace or dickens for example...it's pages. they don't want conflicting pricing. 
31339 ring and pinion set up mnmale1972 this might sound bad...but after having been a auto tech for almost 25 five years i have never rear end from scratch. done plenty of bearing replacement replaced pinions with oe parts but did complete swap to different gear. wondering what is the best way go about setting depth how many shims if get it wrong don't want damage my put more in or take some out. just looking pointers hate pay someone do something know am capable of.... thanks 
31340 re ring and pinion set up mnmale1972 forgot to mention...i am changing from a 2 series carrier with 2.56 3 4.30 that is why i ask. 
31341 re late model question ted depends on the track layout and driving style. i believe sway bar will affect mid as this is point of most roll typically. if you use a lot brakes could adjust anti dive or brake bias more compression rf less lf. these are just some ideas need know to give more. 
31342 re late model question dave front stagger helps some but my track is diffrent then most 30deg banking 
31343 re late model question rich walling i guess what i'm trying to accomplish is get on the gas sooner. right now cars goes into and through middle super but gets slightly loose at exit when tires warn. was thinking that if set up car push during entry then it would be better exit. think more cross cause a mid turn could loosen with left rear rebound go away use exta bite off corner. or am dreaming don't front brake toe adjustments will do. we have modified bbss up. not quit big bar real soft springs. anti roll dive stiffer 
31344 re parts suppliers nick odell competition products for all engine related anything...i love that place. stock car behrents and day. 
31345 re parts suppliers rich walling if nick learned anything from his pa it's how to race cheaply. one time dad sold me an intake manifold and then borrowed it a week later. that my friends is you on the cheap. lol 
31346 re late model question swaybar can you adjust any more rebound into the lf that might take care of your problem without negatively affecting anything else. 
31347 re ring and pinion set up oval olds not having the proper tools i'm in same boat. i've had good results with using shims that came housing then checking pattern from there. gears are made pretty close to but housings seem have most variance. i put together a new crush collar leave bearing preload on low side. diff less gear slide it into check leaving side . gets pulled installed. backlash is checked changed if needed. when changing make one thinner other by amount. you don't correct ok go .002 or so tighter. that's reason was use grease contact be sure some drag while rotating there chart what do patern incorrect. done few ground builds get at reading pattern. like zillions of rebearings. exists rollers enough pressure roll rather than skid along surface. high makes heat wastes power. lower power car can waht read. 
31348 re parts suppliers nick odell that reminds me ebay and swaps. nothing wrong with good used stuff. 
31349 re parts suppliers mnmale1972 have to admit that is pretty smart.........with said.....any one want buy a figure 8 car....so i can borrow it lol 
31350 re late model question roundy add some grip to the lr with adjusting left lower trailing arm 
31351 re parts suppliers racer_dave i haunt swap meets and auctions religiously. outdoor on rainy days always lead to good bargains. i'll buy stuff don't need if its cheap enough so can sell it later. picked up a high nickel 010 4 bolt main block this fall for 50 guy didn't know what was other than an sbc he had priced 100 talked him waiting behind me shot at wasn't too happy miss out. found later in the day offered 250 but needed kept it. couldn't afford race bought everything new. heads unless new box shocks or clutches much risk. 
31352 re late model question rich walling we had to take out some rebound in the left front because it was bouncing over bumps a little after mid turn. shocks are adjustable only. 
31353 re topic of the week - radiator hoses paul green stripe double clamps top and bottom both ends. 
31354 re 5 springs on gm oem lowers 97bubba yes i run both modifieds and they work just fine camaro sides one left crown vic right the other. years with no issues. dave 
31355 lining up right side of street stock jimbo whats the best way to line your .....run a string from front back ...want see if i have offsets now that make it even...thanks 
31356 re trailingarm bushings swaybar just got back from our first practice since installing the spherical bushings. i can't say how much they improved things because did other to race car over winter but we were 3 tenths faster today than last year. certainly didn't have any adverse effects. 
31357 re trailingarm bushings nick odell cool .3 is usually a pretty good gain. what kind of track 
31358 re trailingarm bushings swaybar it was a very good gain no doubt about it. 3 8 paved track. we've raced at this track for 10 years but we bought particular car late last year and only got to race once before season's end. did alot of work on the entire suspension other things during off season. 
31359 re late model question devon everything we tried last season made the car to tight mid corner which is just about everthing listed and bumping left rear i couldn't find a happy medium but also ran out of time. still don't understand why people insist sway bar only effects entry exit it not being used or do think that once has rolled at steady state won't be effecting chassis spring like if compressed in this case twisted adding rate right front wether continue's move not. lot larger adds load how works. robs from applies front. lifts on control arm during transfer anyway never got chance stagger springs trailing arms rubber pullbar see would effect later exit. was thinking maybe lil stiffer less shock compression. dunno as said 
31360 chromoly control arms linkages c what are the pro's and con's to using as a possible upper arm for tie rods. car weight is about 1200pounds race ready... 
31361 re late model question rich walling will sway bar preload affect mid turn or steady rate shouldn't be affected that much only entry and exit. am i wrong. 
31362 re late model question rcj preload effects mid turn on our car but its not a bbss.we the l f at a-arm.put some in left front when is scales it adds c w. 
31363 re late model question alan i don't like to pre load the sway bar because it can afect ride height plus takes away from lf going in corner. idea of taking one round off rr spring and adding lr spring. sometimes using bbss setups act weired you may have increase rate on rr. as usuall all this information is worth what pay for it. good luck. 
31364 re lining up right side of street stock alan don't for get to acount camber 
31365 re late model question rich walling i wish we could afford john to come by with his da. 4000+ buys a lot of tires and gas. 
31366 re late model question devon anytime i have worked with bar it seems to effect the entire corner. adding preload or going a bigger would be very similiar more right front spring rate. believe rf is effecting car in mid corner steady state so also too. 
31367 re lining up right side of street stock c hello im not a wealth knowledge but i have seen in the circle track book that they string and measure to frame then you can go off your wheels hubs yes like mentioned need take account camber as there is chart for how much offset on measurements allow setting. 
31368 re lining up right side of street stock dirtrunner take a square laying against the rf tire straight up. then string tires. you will see how camber makes difference. 
31369 ford help guest hey guys i am trying to find out if ever made a factory aluminum intake for the 351w. so does anyone have one. it had come stock on production car thanks. 
31370 re ford help j block as the son of a mechanic and card carrying shop rat i'm bit rusty on memory but stock is tricky issue. in early 90's you could get part number m9424-z351 from dealer it was actually an edlebrock performer manifold. otherwise i think 4b manifold c90z-9424-b iron. spent little time parts dept too my dad several other mechanics were racers wierd stuff showed up factory to time. there supposed c90z-9424-e alum may have trouble proving existed much less find one. i'll old guys friday they still together talk racing or dr appointments if any are those pieces around. 
31371 re chromoly control arms linkages rcj cost is one negative.it hard to find people with experiance that will talk.used it as a tie rod sleeve and solved problem i was having.the thin wall tubing very bend without kinking.you would think there be some kind of general rule when you switch c m decrease thickness by 15 or number maintain the same strength but never found any. 
31372 looking for more radial tire recomendations mnmale1972 are track decieded it would benefit our enduro class to change rule... 16. tires d.o.t. only. sizes allowed 205 215 225 235 width 78 75 or 70 series 15 diameter. no performance tires. must be available the general public at normal retail outlets. internet is considered a outlet. currently in production. use of softener altering any way. maximum price per 80.00 this elminated goodyear regattas discontinued that everyone has been running and eagle rsa i have running. not many under 80 bucks worth dime. anybody experience with on here besides me 
31373 re looking for more radial tire recomendations jeremy mastercraft is a good can u use firestone indy 500 there to 
31374 re late model question big bore i've found that mid turn bar issues are spring rc related. if the car is still rolling over after entry you have other issues. too low a rollcenter migrates much soft rightside springs will chasing sway game. 
31375 re looking for more radial tire recomendations anonymous1 80.00 retail price puts a cramp on getting any good tires... rsa's work very well...but are over your price. tell them their great idea to save people money.. will cost money since you need buy new tires..not made performance...so be buying of them..more frequently... 
31376 re looking for more radial tire recomendations mnmale1972 mastercraqft tires would scare me but i will check them out. the firestone firehawks not be legal becasue we can use performance 
31377 re looking for more radial tire recomendations dirtrunner try tirerack.com 
31378 re looking for more radial tire recomendations rick sumitomo about 65 bucks 300 treadwear work very well 205-215. 
31379 re looking for more radial tire recomendations mnmale1972 been spending a lot of time on there lately. but with out seeing up close in personal it is tough to order them. hoping find someone experience something. thanks 
31380 re looking for more radial tire recomendations mnmale1972 thanks rick. i will look into them 
31381 paint rich walling out sponsor isn't redoing our deal this year. he says used to get the do other projects but doesn't have that account anymore. cost 1000 which maybe true i don't know where gets it. my question is has anyone purchased from outfit in new jersey on ebay seems cheap at 70 for one gallon of with reducer and hardener. we are not worried about longevity as it a stock car. 
31382 re paint 22racing i own a bodyshop and usually my race cars with nason urethane dupont family . it is single stage but drys hard shiny easy to match if you are just replacing fender or blow in bumper cover. am canada gallon of black silver metallic was 170 plus reducer hardener. 1000 seems high unless he included his labour painted the chassis tin kit body on car had mask all red 
31383 re looking for more radial tire recomendations nick odell x2 on the firestone indy 500. before racing tires these were best. sticky and last a whole season. 
31384 re paint mnmale1972 i know this might sound hick but use the fleet farm implement with there hardner. mineral spirits to thin it and turns out awesome. is gloss hardner makes dry fast. they don't have 100 colors choose from nice thing for exmaple my curetn car international harverster red through summer easy touch up because also sell all of paints in a spray can. sorry did not answer your exact question works well me...... 
31385 tire diameter mnmale1972 wondering what diameters anyone might be running on a 3500 pound car. asphalt for best comparison. just trying to decide if i can go smaller dot with out loosing much handling..... 
31386 re tire diameter 00joe that is a very vague question my friend. it all depends on what u run for stagger. generally smaller will not give as much but can also hurt you well sometimes taller flex more through the turn and help slide turn. addage goes.....its about drivers preference....i say just do some trial error...good luck 
31387 re tire diameter rich walling don't forget about your gearing. going from a 76 to 90 is 20 difference. 
31388 re paint panel63 check out www.pivco.net they have the best prices on net single stage enamel as low 25.00 a gal. fast service. 
31389 re paint dirtrunner the fleet enamel does not come off floor very easy. i don't like it. try kirkerautomotive.com. have used their clear and loved 
31390 re tire diameter mnmale1972 i realize it is vague........i run a figure 8 class and we 1 27 hoosier towel city recap. works good but 7 inch on wheel. not much for stagger if you measure all of your tires before buy them can get some. just curious about actual being run........i understand the gearing that some are wider narrower than others....just looking base what these cars....... thanks guys 
31391 re ford help kenneth look into the f150's in mid 80's with 5.8 ho. performance wise i don't think its gonna any. it should shave some weight off nose though. 
31392 re looking for more radial tire recomendations jeremy we used mastercraft over 10 years and had good luck with them also sigma tires firestone indy 500 are alot of people use in ohio 
31393 re paint racer_dave 1000 is way high. i use the local body store as well. they carry dupont brands and nason a less expensive brand within that. if you fleet book there are still several hundred colors to choose from even metallics. single stage easy spray touch up too. lot of hardener it dries super glossy resists most everything brake fluid don't let sit on too long. 
31394 re looking for more radial tire recomendations racer_dave are you able to run a towel city recap usually pretty cheap and soft rubber too. if can't we used coopers when had factory stock but that was several years ago not sure what they have now. shop nearby does the big 4x4 tires get them shaved down it helps rid of extra weight will true up. sipe ours as well. 
31395 re paint rich walling that's for all the ideas but if you read my post i asked anyone has used from company out of new jersey that sells on ebay. appreciate responses though thanks. 
31396 re paint dirtrunner i looked and never saw that one did see from california for around 80.00 . it's a race car just buy it lol. 
31397 re ford help tony554 as the previous posts say all 4 barrel manifolds are cast iron. did produce a aluminum 2v intake in early 80's. this isn't much for performance but has weight savings of about 15 lbs. good luck 
31398 re paint gregory3829 when i first bought my car painted it with house of color neon orange had left over from a previous job. tore the up and decided to change colors went wrap he wrapped for me sponsoring his buisness. is much easier faster repair than just cut piece put damaged area go ill never again im sold on 
31399 re ford help 44dwarf i asked my buddy who works at the parts counter a dealer. only thing could come up with is like 69-70 mach 1......lists as aluminum....good luck finding one for starters and most likely pretty expensive. best of 
31400 tire durometer readings. mnmale1972 haven't used many race tires myself but my readings on the radials are always between 55 and 65......wondering what check out at when is soft to 
31401 re looking for more radial tire recomendations guest sears sells the goodyear weatherhandler and walmart sell viva2 they are same as regatta. 
31402 re tire durometer readings. racer_dave depends on how long you soak em... 
31403 re tire durometer readings. brian new 790 hoosiers start at around 69 70 
31404 re paint dirtrunner you are correct if don't pay for it. but like myself and many more is the way to go. 
31405 re paint rich walling i've sent for pivco's color chart. if they have what were looking 80 1 gallon of acrilic enamel with hardener and reducer plus shipping is we'll do another body shop doesn't come through. 
31406 re tire durometer readings. swaybar a street that pokes 55 must have been out in the sun for while or soaked well - is what our hoosier 970s poke when they are warm. 
31407 re tire durometer readings. mnmale1972 tat is a goodyear regatta pokes 55 after alps and 65 before..... 
31408 parts cars around mnmale1972 it is getting darn hard to find anymore......with the rust we get here in minnesots most are junk and what wasn't got crushed when scrap was up. anybody know where a guy from minnesota could go 77 78 or 79 impala caprice for i would anywhere probably 7 8 state area. north south dakots wisonsin iowa nebraska wyoming montana illinois........would even somewhere if had too....lol nobody wants give up there stash but just thought ask. 
31409 metric spindle questions dan riley has anyone out there used spindles other than the stock metrics i'm looking to use a larger bearing rotor caliper set-up on my street rod. maybe something with different lug pattern size 4-3 4 pattern. i'll be changing rear axles and want establish of front before ordering new ones chevy size. thanks much guys as always i wish you all great season.......dan 
31410 re metric spindle questions mnmale1972 i know that the guys around here put full size gm spindles in.....not sure if any mods have to be made...i highly doubt it. but you get them off of a police package caprice or an astro van they would 5 on bolt pattern. 
31411 re metric spindle questions mnmale1972 sorry but the wagons also had 5 on bolt pattern. 
31412 re metric spindle questions devon 1970 camaro firebird 73-76 nova chevelle etc. stronger taller with a shorter steering arm larger rotor and caliper. retain the same ball joint bolt pattern. as mentioned 2 spindles are dimensionally but have 5 on 
31413 re tire durometer readings. ted the top 5 guys in new symrna were dq'd when their tires under 45 after feature. to answer how soft is doesn't last whole event. 
31414 re tire durometer readings. heloguy and that damn canadian won in the end cheers 
31415 re parts cars around anonymous1 you need to look on a website called... www.wecrash.com... will find what are looking for.. and at good price. your welcome. 
31416 re metric spindle questions john this is a popular swap for pro touring guys... if you get the spindles off 9c1 police or wagon b-body taller and 12 rotor. use your stock control arm geometry ruined not safe to drive--but hotchkis global west both sell upper arms specifically modification that improve give lots of nice negative camber as needed. i would assume did measurements you'd probably find one ub machine stockcar guys work too--just compare them stuff. 
31417 re tire durometer readings. 22racing easy helo there are some canadians on the board here too - we paid our hard earned money into same purse fund everyone else did at new smyrna. lonnie sommerville deserve to win after finishing 6th not exactly but hey his doped tires just weren't as much every one elses 
31418 re tire durometer readings. heloguy i am a canadian also and my trailer was right beside his when he won the peterbuilt 250. just stirring pot. cheers 
31419 re parts cars around mnmale1972 thanks....found one in south dakots. thanks for the tip. 
31420 re metric spindle questions dan riley thank you guys. this is not a circle track car it's my street rod and will be driven. i'm trying to get larger bearings brakes on it while retaining the ability do proper front end alignment. dirt i used stock spindles so never learned which other parts would fit. sounds like astro van best bet. don't want into custom control arms or x-over type ball joints at time. i'll replacing rear axles can have new ones drilled for any lug pattern thought time set-up then match. thanks again...............dan 
31421 re late model question tucker16t stiffer compression in the right front shock only effects entry. 
31422 re metric spindle questions devon the has a 7 degree inclination while just about every other gm car 10 degree. so you would be adding 3 degrees of positive camber on both sides which should easily taken up with shims 
31423 soaking tires tucker16t soak on the inside or tread how long which softner i have tried it before and never noticed a difference. soaked them set of month old hoosier 790s. rotating up buddies for couple days.everybody says its must to at our track. what do you think 
31424 re tire durometer readings. 22racing nice wasn't trying to be rude but you never know 99.9 of the people we talked on our first trip new smyrna were great still caught a little flak about nationality big deal...lonnie is guy chatted with him bit in tech lane and actually ended up couple tires from his inventory 
31425 re soaking tires rich walling a lot of guys soak so it must work. all i know is that always ran better on new tires. 
31426 re soaking tires racer_dave where we race limited late models the rule is 'no on premises' so we're not cheating if do it at home. i've never had soaked new run better than just plain tires. hoosiers btw. after being 2 nights fall off by .3 to .5 seconds per lap making them useless you want win. but i can pull back up within .1. use softened for practice keep laps of and i'll lefts sometimes. almost always try put rights every week or weeks depending budget. made a rolling machine using an aluminum tray then built couple rollers from some leftover roll cage tubing. powered with motor old benchtop drillpress reduction pulleys. mounted dimmerswitch fine tune speed. soak time. let day while work wrap when they come in heavy plastic. me its difference between buying 4 night about 180 week. way more because i'm wearing out which gives seat time fun . another track american racers set tried went slower didn't matter how did what brand softner used. harder were same way. these as much weren't many begin with. 
31427 re soaking tires rich walling we used american racers for the last race of season in '09. they appear to be old ec 82's and 83's mccreary make. i belive 82 were modified y-2's y-3 mccreary's. 
31428 re metric spindle questions 34 i have a new set of us brake light weight rotors with the needed speacial inner outer bearing kits already installed large studs..there 5x5 bolt pattern ...brand ..still in box ...i'll sell for less than what paid them.. 
31429 re soaking tires nick odell don't even mess with that stuff it is very bad for your health and eats asphalt. i personally never noticed a difference when was racing against guys new were using it. as side lot of tracks in the southeast are banning because destroying tracks. 
31430 re looking for more radial tire recomendations mnmale1972 ans sams club has the goodyear allegra. they are no longer in production. thanks tho. 
31431 metric brake pads chris meeker what is a good recommendation on for monte carlo street stock with calipers all the way around 1 3 mile asphalt track. thanks. 
31432 re metric brake pads gene i had real good luck with bendix titanium pads. and they are only 14 bucks a set 
31433 re metric brake pads chris thanks gene. can you tell me where bought them from 
31434 re metric brake pads rich walling we used peformance friction z rated from autozone with good results. 
31435 rear steer mnmale1972 wondering what opinions are about on an asphalt stock 4 link gm 77 impala . should i keep my end square or put some in. small 1 mile mild banking. thanks 
31436 re metric brake pads perky get your at balas dist. in freeland 
31437 re rear steer rich walling watch the nascar boys negotiate a corner and how car seems to yaw. tires are farther away from line than front. i would seem think that there is some in those cars. administrator of this site has said. goes where pointed with most weight have grip . 
31438 re rear steer dave nascar is a whole another aninal then street stock. when your top five car if not play with the rear. 
31439 re metric brake pads dave hawk black there worth the money you wont believe how much better they are 
31440 re rear steer mnmale1972 i am a top 5 car. 
31441 re rear steer mnmale1972 i am actually pretty happy with my car. just wondering about theory and pratical application as it applies to a stock 4 link. not trying reinvent the wheel. 
31442 re rear steer dave i had the most wins when my bushings were all rubber lowers level uppers 11 on left 6deg right 
31443 re rear steer dirtrunner the car goes where tires are pointed but more exact contact patches i think is what he said. does your have now if so how much 
31444 re metric brake pads chris perky any specific brand i should be looking for from there thanks 
31445 coil over adapter ted looking to run the 5in adapters on rear of a buddies modified. anyone have any good bad luck with out there seems like ones use 2.5 in springs would be pain extra parts. but maybe it works better that way. some seem more heavy duty than others had one fail because was too light information appreciated. 
31446 re rear steer mnmale1972 right now my car is square. control arms are all at the same angles. lowers close to level with a very slight incline front...negligble uppers side side. in past i have just lengthened wheel bas on by 1 4 of an inch. it seemed help but left current square...... and guess that moves me next question...what best way get stock link 
31447 re metric brake pads mnmale1972 i would agree with the hawk pads.......but they can eat up rotors....... 
31448 re rear steer dirtrunner i meant in the turns how much does it have 
31449 re metric brake pads perky we used the bendix titanium from balas 
31450 re rear steer mnmale1972 i can't answer that question. how much can you get from stock location do not know if have any now or not. and is why am here asking. measure looked at johns suspension software but it really does pertain to a 4 link. hope sounding ignorant this point asking...... 
31451 re metric brake pads gene he told you. bendix is the brand of pad. titanium selected pad name ie bronze silver or gold. they are not made its just name. 
31452 re rear steer dirtrunner put the of car on blocks take out your springs and jack up axle where would set with weight it. you can measure tire to fender then move in rebound or compression whatever shock travel is again. that at least tell if have steer. said a top 5 what does it need be 1 2. i mean why are asking about tried everything else 
31453 re rear steer mnmale1972 thanks dirt. gonna check. well with it being a true stock class there really is not much i can do. however have changed some things the front upper control arms longer ball joints and then moved lower trailing arm mounting points to help forward bite. just wanting understand what if any advantage in non car having so apply that my situation. am close top 1 or 2 car......i many wins last year was best year. but want make better. honestly sure something needs be used on an asphalt car.......but ot expert wouldn't here asking. square except that..... 
31454 yes i have rear steer mnmale1972 ok measured. and get about 3 16ths of an inch at ride height right wheel is farther back the left ....and what am guesstimating my hate under accel puts me 1 4 forward then this tells that should roll through corners good but on it a push or whatever term for end going opposite direction car moved lower control arm mointing point up to help with bite use figure 8's enduro's so did turn worked can see hurting turning need move same rid steer. building new figutre 8 using current info normal cicle track. thanks letting talk 
31455 re coil over adapter devon i made my own out of 1 8 plate. 5 circle with a 2 hole long piece 3.5 tube welded to it center the spring. never had problem. also used howe ones again without 
31456 re yes i have rear steer ted take your measurement at ride height as the baseline starting point. this should be zero then raise rr wheel what shock travel says. a compare to base line. difference is roll steer. so if right 3 16 ahead rid and 1 4 inch you 16th in case note that end not square car start with. can lower lr check again. will give an idea of happening through cars into exiting turn. also on asphalt difficult deal driver runs harder turn or slower due traffic tire wear etc. may change. change line make while it faster one grove become inconsistant. 
31457 re yes i have rear steer dirtrunner that's what was trying to say lol. 
31458 madhouse jim anybody notice that junior miller dont use dem new things called racing gloves dag nabbit lol. it really is a funny show seems like most of these guys worry about the other cars more than there own cept 83 dang it. juniors crew chief real beaut pass me da beer. 
31459 re madhouse rich walling ya gotta give it to junior. i can't imagine how the old fart even gets into one of those things. 
31460 re yes i have rear steer mnmale1972 appreciate everyones input now enough information to be dangerous..... thanks 
31461 re looking for more radial tire recomendations mnmale1972 just wondering what mastercraft you were using i see they are made by cooper.... 
31462 re looking for more radial tire recomendations mnmale1972 i actually run the towel city recaps in my ffigure 8 class.........but now we can not them this class. siping didn't make tires roll or tread chunk was thinking about trying some firestone winterforce and shaving most of off.......so there is less roll. 
31463 re madhouse gene watch what ya say about us old farts rich...... 
31464 re looking for more radial tire recomendations jeremy matercraft avenger 
31465 thoughts on the delta wing race car ted john and others what is your take new revealed in chicago for potenially being irl while i am all pushing limits coming up with idea not sure overall application will work. able to push 235 half power fuel consumption are great ideas final results seems have it's issues me anyway. one issue see chassis set up. practical purposes this a 3 wheeler. as such wouldn't eliminate any having affect balance of transfer happen at rear regardless so only thing change aero. another issus driver getting used driving wedge. most drivers know width front long both left right side fit between 2 cars there room. design could stick his nose find out hard way that much wider rear. or see's next him. if he backs let him go may be clear. just like wedge lend itself better racing. maybe faster but better. 
31466 re thoughts on the delta wing race car big bore irl fan here but don't see going to brickyard in that form. concept get local shops building it is good with a b-17 bomber tail makes little sense. 24 front wheelbase maybe garlits or prudomme can make work problem besides nascar crushing 6- 7 million gets you pack. value of full season team for marketing purposes half that. until indycar reduces cost likewise they will falter. 
31467 re metric brake pads guest performance friction 01 front 97 rear 
31468 re madhouse jim rich. that kid junior is younger than me. 
31469 re metric brake pads rich walling whaddaya need brakes for. that's why the guy in front has a rear bumper. 
31470 re madhouse rich walling i didn't know people lived that long. lol 
31471 re thoughts on the delta wing race car ted i think cost was one of objectives car. it is supposed to be abotu 600k which guess about 1 2 price compaired current version. at least that what article said. and realize there were probably similar comments first rear engine indy but just don't this being a racey 
31472 performance tech news j block for years i used to mail the via old way with printing and bulk mail. needles say cost 40 000 pieces mailing 900 pounds of you bitch at 44 cents oz got point that had give it up a couple ago. so now i've gone electronic will be available as an email. they are small enough not clog your box but get back good stuff we publish in versions. sign new version drop me email add list. 
31473 war board update j block the good old has gotten pretty big with archives. so within next week some time we will have to close it down for a couple hours move new server. its own top domain rather than being under auto-ware.com anyway what mean is there may be point in where are off air short period but otherwise you should not notice anything else. thanks janitor 
31474 important j block print or write this info. the move is going faster that expected. if for some reason you can not get back here just go to www.weekendautoracer.com www.auto-ware.com and look down left side link war board. all else fails drop me an email. thanks 
31475 re soaking tires jimbo anyone ever tried the towel city retread asphalt tire interested to know...thanks 
31476  very important j block the move went well and we are currently running two entry points to this board. it is that you change your bookmark favorite place or whatever method use open site www.weekendautoracer.com if already set then don't need do anything. on monday old point will be shut down. sure email folks know here board about so they can still get too.