28213 re engine build lucifer ok they just about told you exactly what can for an engine. get every last bit of lift out the allowed cam and make sure it's degree'd in properly. best valve work afford. rest is pretty much along ride. i've personally proven a full stock weight 8 1 only .050 that's fifty thousandths second slower than my 10.5 with lighter parts that was on same set tires two weeks later. btw i fast time both events. spend money to buy good carburetor ignition parts. hei done distributor dyno. then forget improving handling. 
28214 re engine build ja no degreeing cam. must be stock carb with modifications other than jet sizes. high performance ignitions. so you're saying that decreasing rotating mass has almost effect on would everyone else agree what i'm wanting is to have my reach say 5500 rpm a couple seconds faster it does now. how do i 
28216 re engine build rich walling look the track has made these rules for a reason. do what lucifer said. and that correct dimensions clearances make everything as exact possible. is we called blueprinting an back in day. then figure out how to set up car drive it. 
28222 re brake lines swaybar use the size you prefer to work with because choose won't make a noticeable differenc in performance. 
28223 re engine build ja i'm not disputing that the information getting here is good. i've been following this s i t e for years. and ignoring handling aspect of car - have john's program used it. can already beat other cars in corners but they all pass me straights. with a claimer rule you can't afford to be changing lighter crank. believe that's way too exotic. get your rpms faster run manual trans torque converters are heavy it might help an aluminum flywheel we 3 speed automatics only- no trans. never seen anyone claimed. must cam dialed-in. tech guys won't know or care since there possible check it's cheating basic adjustment. degreeing bushings offset keys on pretty lax known pull cam. actually rampant didn't want at first better more willing tell how they're cheating. everyone only top ever checked when gets points then some strange reason has week two just as fast was wink . slips teched starts winning again. distributor done up real dist. machine by technician. sure there's one those within hundreds miles. call companies their what need everything about car. custom grind rules. contacted company came back exact same bone-stock off-the-shelf 80 had learn drive over again take driver's school another track. track 100 miles doubt driving 500. look trying re-invent wheel. find stay legal still competitive big high compression cheater engines racing against. so far unsuccessful. blaming drivers techs responsibility keep field even. couple hundred bucks feature win caught rarity course gonna do win. appreciate advice something work with. thanks. 
28224 re engine build swaybar since you seem to have your mind made up here's the answer original question - there is no cheap and light crank. how are talking 43 pounds if so be prepared spend over a grand then heavy metal added it that will balance with stock cast pistons. seems counter productive me. go real on rods again dollars. also won't live long those boat anchors attached ends of them. connecting rod could talk would tell piston too for its liking doesn't exist. just my thoughts. 
28225 re engine build heloguy if you know the other guys are cheating and want to go faster then claim that is pulling off corners. cheers 
28226 re engine build 97bubba my thoughts exactly. claim it nothing slows someone down faster than a or protest money. dave 
28227 re engine build ja thank-you for answering the question. so a lighter crank is not looking like viable option. it's i'm gonna hafta cheat everyone else just to keep up. 
28228 re engine build ja it would a major decision of which one to claim - they all out-pull me. really though at our track there's kind unspoken gentlemen's agreement not anyone's engine. nobody has done in very long time and we get along rather well for the most part. if i was an then i'd either have rebuild my car every week from getting deliberately wrecked or stay home wouldn't do me much good. thanks replies. 
28229 re engine build swaybar ja with rules like you've described it's hard to imagine where one could cheat successfully unless tech doesn't check anything. if anything then i guess you're pretty much open doing just about you want. power is made in the heads more than it rotating assembly. look that area. 
28230 re engine build dan riley hey have some fun claim the one that wins most. don't worry if he's cheating you won't get he'll give up win before he sells a high dollar for 1000. or whatever your is. of course winner and it into car you'd better start winning you'll know wasn't engine. about being wrecked rubbin' goes both ways ya know. good luck .......dan 
28231 re engine build dirtrunner you better ask these gentlemen how they are cheating then. of course getting along must be the most claim them. in out class we use street tires a guy showed up with tiger paw that had hoosier tread pattern he has tire recap sponsor. took it off car. 
28232 re engine build racerdan95 i have been down this road before. find a good machine guy then put together rotating assembly scat grank 49lbs comp rods and protrue pistons.gap less rings or file fit. next call crower cams for cam. these guys are best.set your timing at 12 make sure the dist. puts in rest to 38 . use msd recurve kit plug selection is also important. look carb. it clean. too much jet will kill motor if stock ing. used. chassis. there nothing binding full sus. travel. including shocks. set-up ie ride heigth springs shock valving placement sway bar car very fast slow. ...racerdan95... 
28237 re engine build critter one thing that you didn't mention in your rule list was rear-end gears. a change gears can effect how quick get to 5500 but it will also top end. ron 
28238 using ccw to go softer todd just a general question about generating new setup. actually two questions one and going first in is setup better. what i mean is...if your pretty good already...and you setup...should it be little for example bigger swaybar soften the springs while keeping same roll couples front back. second am assuming tool come up with numbers keep couple percentages anybody understand trying say 
28239 re engine build ja i've tried several different gears and there was not a big differnec in performance. 
28240 re using ccw to go softer rich walling yes you can. 
28241 re engine build ja if i claim an then i'd 1. have a cheater which is what i'm trying to avoid. 2. lose friend prefer 3. probably be held in as much regard jailhouse rat. for the wreckin rubbin - i've been there done that several years ago . was rather fun but really hated weekly rebuilding and don't time sh t. 
28245 re using ccw to go softer j block first in general is setup better. what i mean is...if your pretty good already...and you a setup...should it be little for example going bigger swaybar soften the springs while keeping same roll couples front back. simple question not answer. off better faster here are some rules of thumb. wheel rate typically makes more grip. if car pushing then tends improve situation. however knee bone connected shin so result travel. this means alignment changes dynamically need change static settings or modify geometry accomidate extra next thought likely i'll use sway bar keep body from falling over and messing up geometry. where program can help. find combination couple same. but have careful. now constant distribution lower ride rate. help grip places hurt others. middle-out could suffer understeer wash out because lets lift under power weight transferred rear at time changing resulting lest bite front. on other hand loose due axle steer does matter how soft make that adjustment will fix problem. close circle maybe do tools job. 
28246 re engine build 97bubba you won't claim a cheater but you'll one that is what are asking on here how to cheat up your engine. claiming cheaper and much easier. it also sends nessage all of the others with cheated stuff at least tired it. if he was truley friend then be problem suprised many will become because took stand. dave 
28247 re engine build 97bubba cheaper than building new or even freshening isn't it lol dave 
28251 eagle rs-a mnmale1972 wondering what you are using for air pressure with these as a guide. i have been running the regatta 2's long time and they like lot of air. gonna try some rs-a's just looking opinions. thanks 
28252 re eagle rs-a stormracer these tires are a directional based tire look for arrow on the tire. one sidewall is softer than other. i ran left side at 18lb and right 30-32lb cold with 6lb gain 4lb left. 
28253 re using ccw to go softer todd thanks for the response. i look forward giving some things a try. 
28254 re engine build ja i apologize but i'm not trying to be difficult. wasn't argue against all the suggestions was just stating rules as they pertained suggestions. guess could have listed in beginning it would a long read. and bubba asking for advice on how cheater - wanting about lightweight crank rods which is only things specifically banned rule book. do appreciate i've picked up lot of information here over years. will try more careful future with word any questions. thanks again. 
28255 re engine build 97bubba ja cheating is somethinh that we all fight against. it really p es me off i have always busted my a to bring the best legal piece could track every week only get beat by someone with more money than bill gates they can't drive and just out power everyone same crate answer your question gain you will if any not worth money. 2 cars one has lite weight pistons 49 crank 6 sportsman rods ect. other stock 5.7 heavy forged stuff had laying around . first motor made for circle cam later 375hp 327 duplicate came in street 60's faster else very similar. don't know what rules are but there place find hp loss easier making more. email maybe can help. several people who race at variety of different bounce ideas me. lol dave 
28256 re engine build 97bubba sorry forgot email addy bubbamotorsports nospam yahoo.com 
28257 re engine build a little tough love lucifer ja i do to race against guys like you people that psych themselves out before they even get started. man are so whipped by the competition techs and take turn whipping on yourself. right now really don't think have what it takes race. such negative mindset you're just not dedicated enough put in hard work done right. all want is short cut magic wand quick fix there no thing case nobody told racing brutal cut-throat where second place first loser. for faint of heart. must soul warrior fire your belly intestinal fortitude win races become champion. be winner behind wheel green flag. reach wrench away from next guy. my way m coming through cookies chump boo-hoo loser eat exhaust if home few black flags along make competitors respect then it. as always remember we battle track but pits gentleman. here s bottom line grasping at straws looking everything anything outside blame. business world call those externalities. focus externalities factors beyond their control rationalizations why can t achieve excuses better subscribers victim culture. victims field fillers front-runners. don up quit feel or champion long look inside. after ve resolved mental part suggest accept responsibility own outcomes. positive. listen more carefully know. harder set up. concentrate improving driving smooth fast . it's brudda going easy. racer 
28258 re engine build a little tough love thetech yeh 
28259 re engine build a little tough love dan riley very but well said............just another gladiator here.... 
28261 engine oil temp ted i have a 383 sb chevy 400 block 350 crank. was running 358. since the motor change temperature runs high during race pegging gauge. water only goes up to 200 deg. cautions comes down fairly quick 240-260 but back once resumes. am run an 11x14 cooler. many tell me not worry about seems that over 300 is high. valvoline synthetic racing and car has good pressure. old would hot on always good. switched double pass radiator issue gone away. so now just looking get under control. one thing noted will come before water. gauge in same place with this as last. both are located right front corner of pan. any ideas what look for causing where should sensor be all help appreciated. thanks 
28262 re engine oil temp dirtrunner i had a guage my first year and yes it was very hot not sure of the temp.took out before second just make you use good oil. maybe someone else can tell what should run or lol. 
28263 re engine oil temp bap33 ok you have a 400 block and 350 crank at +.030 are running 377 cubes. if 383 need more info about oiling system dry wet actual numbers reached by the gauge 300 310 pressure hot cold on gas off same case good scrapper headers collectors cooler location design exact smell burnt by-pass shimmed your builders response to problem 
28265 re engine oil temp ted sorry it's a 377 400 block 350 crank. wet sump added the cooler for this only good pan windage tray and scraper same cross over headers pressure about 70 cold 60 hot no burnt smell gauge stops at 300 needle is past it probably 310 or more. not sure on by-pass. three things stand out to me. first comes up temperature faster than water. all other engines i have had wait get temperature. second down quickly from 300+ 240 in 3 laps of caution. why such difference water temp. builder really concerned due being less 210. others said thing. would rather 280. was always told should be plus 30-40 deg. am wondering where best place measure currenlty but that supply line thanks response. 
28211 engine build ja i want to a new for next season. we have compression ratio rule cam lift duration vacuum piston carb head casting number and an claimer rule. 1 4 mile banked ashphalt track. so...i get rpm up as fast possible. was thinking maybe lighter crank rods smaller balancer. since there is the best bang buck. what about scat or both will light even work with stock cast pistons i'm open suggestions. thanks. 
28217 re engine build swaybar what do you mean no degreeing a cam is the tech inspector going to be standing there when your machine shop check i understand that they may limit use of parts fix not degreed perfectly but can't stop from checking it.  you're getting good advice here with have work with. goal 5500 rpm quicker than everything else probably reasonable given it's an exercise in futility. imo 
28218 re engine build swaybar one more thought ja - the best way to get 5500 rpm quicker than everybody else is be able back in throttle them. that will found chassis not motor. 
28219 re engine build dirtrunner i've had my 406 sbc for 5 years and until the last 2 i was not able to use all power traction ground. changed driving style that best change could do.  do like rest said chassis set-up in a pure stock class is way go. 
28220 brake lines lawnboy what size line should be used for going to rear of metric dirt car disk brakes 1 4 or 3 16 no prop valve master is 70 gm pu thanks. 
28221 re engine build dan riley sounds like they thought of everything. you guys keep messing with them and they'll give a restrictor plate rule. or worse yet you'll have to buy sealed from run nothing else.  but be cereal about it the here given their best info. thet're not trying snow you. i can't even imagine how many track laps we in total here. that's experience works. claimer rule afford changing lighter crank. believe me way too exotic. get your rpms faster manual trans torque converters are heavy might help an aluminum flywheel. aside that what other said is gospel. must cam dialed-in. tech won't know care since there no possible for anyone check it. it's cheating basic adjustment. once set access unless tear down front engine. valve adjustment right where want say edge edge. most out do because don't which means think important heads done bowl blend behind valves. touch ports need touching up anyway. smooth polish exhaust runners especially bottoms gas has make hard turn. distributor on real dist. machine by technician. some friend friendly machinist who wants favor. pay money deal. if find write i'll send my guy's address number. call companies tell everything can car. custom grind rules. comp will specs over phone cam. then look through all offer off shelf maybe one in-stock less did 14 at 1000rpm cost 100 instead 300. finally stop believeing stuff read mags. made haven't wrenched race car 20 years ever. those do. fall pie-in-the-sky ideas writers advertisers. got better. learn drive again take driver's school another track. worth more than scat luck you...........dan 
28242 re engine build dan riley you know what. i'm beginning to think don't really want a solution. you've given us tough situation what with all those rules which seems kind of crazy. i've never heard track imposed at the same time.  board members have their best advise and almost every post come back an argument against it. as for me i i'll stand down from trying help any farther. answers but asked when needed been good did follow. didn't argue info got these guys has helped very much. it now that there is no solution available in our collective experience say you're in. wish luck next season.....dan 
28243 re engine build bap33 lol ... great post dan.  i just claim a new one when the have gets too slow. 
28244 re engine build dirtrunner if you claim this would lose a friend great friend. 
28267 re engine oil temp guest same pan i've seen pans that look the but one needs another quart to work correctly. sensor are you running valvoline vr-1 syn does it have at least 1200ppm zinc rating has many hi-perf oils on market these days. make sure off road not street stuff which is marketing bs for high hp . we dropped 30-40 deg years ago switching from amsoil 2000 race 20w-50. 
28268 cog mnmale1972 what is the correct way to determine on a stock car i understand physics of i.e. if take broom stick and balance it near center my finger that how do this something so large need am trying learn more about suspension geometry wei9ght balance. recently drove friends competitor's race realized pretty good driver considering poorly turns compared his . lol looking improve. 
28269 re cog mnmale1972 by the way i am not looking for a direct fix my race car just theory and knowledge so can apply it . thanks mark 
28270 re engine build a little tough love mnmale1972 wow i felt like you were talking to me.....except have excepted that ther is lot lacking in me as driver.... until recently drove competitors car and realized how poorly my really does handle. handles great compared any other built. but apparently alot more learn. think this post great. hear people all the time blaming for issues on track or complain of others cheating when reality we need look at our selves. would complainers trade cars race with cheater see what outcome be because cases complainer still lose thanks 
28271 re engine oil temp mnmale1972 it almost sounds to me like the sensor is not in at speed. does this motor have a high volume pump i never use my preference but you definatly should no more than 30-40 degree split water temp. may need how your gauge mounted 
28272 re cog j block hey mark how's it going there is a mechanical way where you tip the car up on two wheels left or right until just balances before falling over but this not good method for full sized cars. common to put set of scales and check weight difference when rear jacked up. can then use that info in program spreadsheet find cog. 
28273 re cog mnmale1972 going good john thanks for asking. finished 5 in the figure eights and 8 enduro series only 2 out of 4 races all with one car hope i don't ever have to do that again . anyway dug my old physics book ......a lot dust on this found formula center mass but it relates a dimension object. so does not really help whole lot. undestanding think can relate 3 dimensional problem. lol was certified years ago auto truck recovery transport know about gravity as tipping vehicle. is amazi9ng how far you tip before will actually fall over.......lol by way software awesome.....need get back shop measure things up already learned alot just from sample cars. mark 
28274 re engine oil temp ted yes using the good synthetic valvoline off road racing only. not same pan but one similar. will look into it. gauge and sensor basic location in pan. we added what is supposed to be correct amount of more may needed. when comes apart see if it's possible getting uncovered. thing that gets me heating up quicker than water just sitting there idling. makes think something thanks again. 
28275 re engine oil temp dirtrunner is the guage wire rubbing against block or too close to exhaust 
28276 re engine oil temp dirtrunner that was 9 years ago lol. i had to think about one it in the right-front of kick-out pan. 
28277 re engine oil temp oval olds the only way will come up faster than water is if block has lower jackets filled with hard block. cylinder are solid material to stabilize walls at 300 degree it should out burnt. gauge electric any chance and sensors or wiring reversed 
28278 pitman arm ed does anyone know what car a with the casting 7826315 is from this lefthander recomends for their chassis. thanks 
28279 re engine oil temp ted i don't believe the lower end has been filled but will have to check. it is from my dad grandpa's stock of blocks and possible was a long time ago. mechanical gauge. look see if hitting anything else or coming close. appreciate input. 
28282 denso alternator oe app swaybar does anyone know the applicaton for 93mm alternators i'm talking about powermaster 8172 or 8162 alternators. looking at a bracket pulley combo but i don't want to pay that is asking unless have to. thanks 
28283 re cog j block mark check to see if you my email. john 
28284 re cog mnmale1972 got it thanks mark 
28285 re engine oil temp dan riley when i set up my bottom ends used to have machinist meassure it and if was using an aftermarket crank he'd mount the bearing halves on a round piece of plastic mounted headstock his lathe. he hose clamp hold them together onto fixture. cut radius sides bearings make thinner. wouldn't ever given thought being problem until taught me about race-type cranks. think you're something there. would noticed that rods were rubbing too much i'd put without extra trimming. are supposed pre-set clearence between but can be lost edge rides against pushes rod sideways. seems like perfect recipe for heat build-up burned oil. good luck please keep us informed........dan 
28286 re engine oil temp dan riley hey johnny not everything that glitters is gold lol........dan 
28287 re denso alternator oe app oval olds those come up as racing only. nippon nd or most recently is used mostly by toyota. go to add 3 w partsamerica dot com look a 90 toyota tercel then try few others. there might be gm that uses alt but i'm not sure. 
28288 re engine build a little tough love boas51 i totally agree with the statement that most guys whining about getting out spent are actually worked and or talented also can't figure why you would race in claimer class engines unless finish claiming position one enemy today will be 15 friends 2 years from now maybe sooner can anybody races explain to me they blackball claims its your rulebook made choice there 90 of pi off 
28290 re denso alternator oe app swaybar the numbers i gave are powermaster racing but know that little came on something as oe. i've got a nd geo metro suzuki samurai mounting won't work with this bracket want to use. most of serpentine systems use 93mm style is way too pround them. thanks for help olds. 
28291 re denso alternator oe app 44dwarf try geo storm. my 92 storm gsi had a small unit. note used higher amp then base model so maybe would work too 
28292 re engine build a little tough love ja i do to race against guys like you people that psych themselves out before they even get started. man are so whipped by the competition techs and take turn whipping on yourself. right now really don't think have what it takes race. such negative mindset you're just not dedicated enough put in hard work done right. all want is short cut magic wand quick fix there no thing case nobody told where second place first loser. racing for faint of heart. must soul warrior fire your belly intestinal fortitude win races become champion. be winner behind wheel green flag. reach wrench away from next guy. my way m coming through cookies chump boo-hoo loser eat exhaust if home few black flags along make competitors respect then it. as brutal always remember we battle track but pits gentleman. here s bottom line grasping at straws looking everything anything outside blame. business world call those externalities. focus externalities factors beyond their control rationalizations why can t achieve excuses better subscribers victim culture. victims field fillers front-runners. don up quit feel or champion long look inside. after ve resolved mental part suggest accept responsibility own outcomes. positive. listen more carefully know. harder set up. concentrate improving driving smooth fast . it's brudda going easy. racer took me days mull over finally came conclusion fault i'm back pack. ethics losers. was trying hold an old idea teach son cheaters never winners cheat. i've realized doesn't apply racing. realization during final feature last weekend. newest rookie kid who has only been half season. he started able pass within 1st 5 laps. could keep ahead him corners kept gaining straights. his setup sh t. he's loose car kisses wall every lap. one point spun good lead power past again near end. cars beat were ones helped wreck. hangs with other younger drivers knows what's engines believe they're nowhere stock. most hang none anywhere stock either. thought eventually somehow i'd compete guess jeff gordon dropped street into amount driver finesse would front daytona 500. partly because me. know handles well consistent. push them off turns cause cut-throat least competitive swallow play same game everyone else playing tech wake any time soon. although pushing 50 grey hair prove still years left yet. claimer class our rule big money which i'll drive unless lottery. thanks pep talk. year better. 
28293 it's a tech issue swaybar ja your track has problem plain and simple. my car won 8 out of 15 feature races this year - legally. you can win without cheating if good program. luck getting handle on it in 09. 
28294 re engine build a little tough love ja sorry i forgot to delete the quote at top of page. 
28295 re engine oil temp ted i looked last night and the sensor line doesn't come very close to any heat source. about 6 inches is as it gets left front header tube in of header. did find that location different from old pan corner not right corner. this would lead be believe could coming uncovered. also found my dad changed lines running cooler runs headers. both headers are insulated but am going test with hanging without being see if affecting warming faster. we had issue prior installed so don't think hot may explain up thanks again for all input. 
28296 re eagle rs-a scott i never had much luck runnin raidals that low in pressure my opinion the added flex of sidewalls just put more strain on right side . ran um hard dirt we twentys without beadlocks and it rocked corners better then anyone else's finished 4th points with a two bbl dished piston windsor against 406 4 gm's so faster was momentium track wall let fly steep banks shoulda built storker but got around to 
28297 re eagle rs-a scott i wouldn't run um myself we had to down here in a class that gave us choice of three tires were cop car take-offs . the promotor was genius cost 5 measly bucks apiece and supplyer warehouse full r-sa one them i'm almost certain all rocks we'd soak with various liquid gold softners some worked right but don't recall which if you have winston winners work well those firestone 500's or indy are softer better then really need get durometer few points is huge gettin stuck makes for an unhappy racer buffed softened firestones man they like blue great big either weigh too much give any more traction smaller tire will qualifying sessions 50 70 cars set fast time once second twice on 205 15s coulda 255s just happened stumble this little deal absolutely positive would not look stupid no ever believes me except other guys won features came off stock toyota avalons dunlops guy stealin by truck load sellin 100 said what heck tried feature next week put our it fig eight ran last four races got cut times taken first bill drove he cast iron sidewalls can't blame everything someone else gotta protect puppys sometimes things dawn wheel assemblys nuthing flywheels be controled notice how heavy reduce braking effectivness couple ways increase unsprung weight bunch makin harder shocks up hp trying wieght turnin again many come new tad small ride lighter absolute only advantage larger say trade overcomes there at racin squat 4 anchors 
28299 re denso alternator oe app panel63 i used an alt from a suzuki sedan junk yard unit and took it to shop they changed the pulley v grove.made my own brackets 
28300 trailor wiring------webkitformboundary3ei0+xdvsz9k jasper------webkitformboundary3ei0+xdvsz9k8rey when i turn on my left blinker both blind right only the one will blink. help please. ------webkitformboundary3ei0+xdvsz9k8rey 
28301 c.c.w. comparison of banking angle track todd i am playing with ccw and trying different combinations stuff. ran across this scenario... recently took our car to a new track. regular is banked around 9 degrees 1 4. the 14 3 8 mile. they are both about same shape. we used pretty much setup at was better more always thought little tight but didn't realize how until feeling well it handled here comes part....i weight transfer switching angles such. seemed like front higher on lower would logically lead idea you can get away roll couple since handeled so track....would make sense sorry for all questions stuff really helping me out. guys great. 
28307 re c.c.w. - wow sway bar size implications todd i have been playing around changing springs and sizes in ccw. was amazed at how big of effect the has on roll couple weight transfer. here is what it said dropped each front spring by 200 pounds without transfer lost 8lbs .8 changed .25 inches last 40 4.9 if did this right a much bigger than springs. can anyone explain to me thanks. 
28308 convert shock travel to wheel todd is there a formula for figuring out what the actual i would like figure how much front suspension actually traveling. thanks. 
28309 re c.c.w. - wow sway bar size implications j block it has to with the motion ratio of spring and motoin swaybar. oftentimes swaybar attaches close ball joint center is farther away. here fun part hawthorne effect. its faster because we think should be faster. drivers may balk at a 200 pound change cause sounds like big number they remember responce 50 change. when actually something else or effect was i changed rate 400 pounds charlotte once but didn't tell driver how was. he came on radio said that's good do that again. software showed only 100 load difference so went for lb your improvement higher bank less push then exactly what tries explain. weight transfer front make car more free tight depending you want about it. 
28310 re denso alternator oe app lucifer not sure which one is the 93mm... on my street stock i use an off of a 84ish accord dime dozen with pulley swapped for earlier model v-belt. it has solid mounting flange and internal regulator. also have very small 'denso suzuki something that two tab flanges but haven't mounted because couldn't get v-groove except aftermarket due to smaller diameter shaft... run mine water pump smog groove 30 reduction crank made own brackets. after having done works good think i'd buy kit next time powermaster version... 
28311 re denso alternator oe app swaybar thanks lou. i've about decided to go with the kit also. krc makes a very nice bracket and pulley setup for little powermaster. 
28312 rods lawnboy with everything the same bore and stroke how much do you give up using 5.7 instead of 6 inch. thanks. 
28313 re rods swaybar you won't notice the difference on track or stopwatch. 
28314 re rods lawnboy ok so whats the big deal with having 6 inch to hear people around are a must. i am not trying be smart ijust dont know thanks. 
28315 re rods swaybar 6 do give the motor better geometry and in a max-effort type situation where everything is optimized you should see more hp with them on top end. reality that most circle-trackers tend to up much corners than they would switching rod length. my experience what matter on-track performance .25 length won't for that. 
28316 re rods rich walling one advantage is that you can use a much lighter piston which not only allows the engine to rev little quicker but also makes load easier on rod and bearings. 
28317 re rods dan riley i've run both using the same cam heads etc.. didn't make a bit of difference. all research i did after wasted money building it said 6 incher won't show any appreciable as other post it's for team that wants to split hairs in motor that's up 20-50 thousand dollar bracket. folks at our level don't need anything exotic know we want an edge but save your and believe us if you build notice 50 cents worth faster. good luck............dan 
28318 re rods rich walling i agree with dan that you won't see much difference and according to iskendarian it can be proven. however if are going buy new quality pistons the choise is obvious me. save a few pennies by reconditioning stock used then take your chances. btw believe chevy crate motors use 6 hyper pistons. do think maybe there reason 
28319 re rods rich walling my bad--- i see where chevie's 604 crate uses 5.7 rods. so disregard last sentence. 
28320 ford rear end in metric chassis joe going to put a 9 inch my street stock....the lower mounts are fine but what is the easiest way make upper ears for mount stock arms thanks.. 
28321 re convert shock travel to wheel 44dwarf it's called motion ratio. there's calculator on pro page. 44 
28322 re rods lawnboy thank you all very much that settels for me. 
28323 re convert shock travel to wheel todd thanks for the reply but i am actually looking something different. would like measure and know how much whole corner of car travels. example if lower spring rate it causes increase by 1 inch lets say was travelling 1.5 inches with new travels 2.5 that more car. making sense 
28324 re ford rear end in metric chassis gene buy a kit from anyone of dozen places that sells them. 
28325 re convert shock travel to wheel 44dwarf i see..the only way real know this you need info on the other shocks too see if there increases extend with softer set up. it were an all coil over car could use 4 jacks and pull coils adjust but recall your a rear leafs 44 
28326 re convert shock travel to wheel ted actually the only way truely know is with data acquisition. unless you can figure out how measure at one instant in time. for instance if rf goes down but all others same time go up would be different than and so even far move determine extent which that moved. make sense 
28327 re rods 97bubba the only reason i went with 6 was they were cheaper for a bushed sportsman rod. it is easier on bearings less weight slinging around. 5.7 engine that have in other car little faster. am not sure if compression slightly higher or heads better casting . feel isn't an advantage powerwise longevity maybe. dave 
28328 re convert shock travel to wheel todd no actually i am on 4 big springs. leafs. 
28329 re convert shock travel to wheel todd yes that makes sense. i guess knowing each independently would help even if can't get the whole car at once. thanks for help. 
28330 re ford rear end in metric chassis boas51 ub machine 
28331 re denso alternator oe app lucifer i fab'd brackets for both power steering and because wanted to get them on the left side of engine... if you drop me an email i'll send a pic. remove no spam substitute period dot s 
28332 re ford rear end in metric chassis dave be careful the 9inch is much biger then 7.5 your arms will higher on unless you want alot of angle upper 
28335 alternator or not mnmale1972 this has been on an going argument for me a long time. wish i had the resources to dyno car with and out varying system voltages just satisfy myself. here is my question should you run do beleive that any horsepower gained by lack of increased amount maintained voltage in high enrgy ignition system. have already formed opinion wondering what yours mark 
28336 re alternator or not 97bubba i agree with your position and have well had time slips from the drag strip to back it up. feel you are better off an alt besides am inherently lazy don't get out charger at track. lol dave 
28337 impala patch panels mnmale1972 can't find fenders or quarters online anywhere anybody no of anyone who sells complete do i have to make my own run 77 78. 79 caprice 
28338 re alternator or not 44dwarf at a drag strip no alt on circle track i've done it both ways. i prefer to run cause motorboated around missfireing after long cation filled race. 44 
28339 re impala patch panels 97bubba i would suggest that you make your own. its a stock car and just has to look good from the stands. lol. seriously tho it is not difficult as long body line still there in decent shape can use guide. does take time patience. guy near madison wi makes bodies. if are interested email me see he doing it. rather than giving out his on here. dave 
28340 re impala patch panels 97bubba i would suggest that you make your own. its a stock car and just has to look good from the stands. lol. seriously tho it is not difficult as long body line still there in decent shape can use guide. does take time patience. guy near madison wi makes bodies. if are interested email me see he doing it. rather than giving out his on here. dave bubbamotorsports nospam yahoo.com 
28341 re alternator or not lucifer with 
28342 re impala patch panels gene these guys can fix ya up performancebodies.com 
28343 re alternator or not lm15 anything longer than 10 laps on a 1 4 3 8mi less bigger track run an alternator. for short qualifying if you have no accessories electric fan brake blowers helmet etc and good battery can give about 2-3hp improvement. that's what our engine builder told us. my personal philosophy is that might as well just because the performance gain without it in race pretty minimal at weekly racing level. losing voltage late cost lot 
28344 weekly theme lf shock dave winter is coming so lets start a i would like to learn most about shocks 1 post what kind race car you have we can compar ares yours mod late street stock 2 dirt paved 3 track banking 4 all feel things difernly not fight over how they work want your feeling and im be better drivers on pavement runing flat lately run 4c 6r if change it 5c 7r that afect in the corners tighter louser where out exp did make losser by holding cross wait longer shorter amount of time works hope u understan trying do here sorry spelling 
28345 re alternator or not panel63 there is one thing on a race car that made to run 12volt battery voltage runa an alt. and get 13.5+ volts your system will be happy 
28346 bleeding twin tube shocks that sat on side 44dwarf hi gang. a while back some one posted long but very though process for working shock to make sure the oil and air got proper sides of foot valves. i've 6 have been shelf 4 years i'd like send with them when they go new owner. anyone save it by chance thanks 44 
28347 re bleeding twin tube shocks that sat on side bob paulin - aka canuck turn the shock upside down so air in inner rises to bottom of and compress shock. rightside up base valve is immersed fluid extend when compressed any floats top piston rod displacement will force out into outer tube. it pure take as extended. you might have do more than one time some shocks. 
28348 re weekly theme lf shock bob paulin - aka canuck a lot is going to depend on what the car doing before change but generally speaking if neutral then increased compression will loosen it up turn entry while rebound tighten exit. ymmv 
28349 re weekly theme lf shock dave hi bob can u tell me how it works does lousen car in and tighten off maybe i should say what wheels work harder or less when doing this im trying to learn afect the thanks 
28350 re bleeding twin tube shocks that sat on side 44dwarf thanks bob say what do you know about the older gabriel p8015 640158. i just sold six had been sitting and when posted them another www knowone could find any info by numbers. again. 44 
28353 re weekly theme lf shock lm15 dave i'm not bob of course but i think can answer your question. entering the corner as front end is compressing down stiffer compression will put more weight on tire and take some off rf de-wedging car. once car gets to a steady state phase mid turn isn't moving around whole lot change have minimal effect. exit driver starts applying throttle especially want lift up. rebound tie tighter chassis so trys lean back be taken tire. this add wedge that's general rule thumb seems apply pretty well conventional setups. when you're using relatively soft shelf shocks. with bbss stuff at larger faster tracks changes work completely backwards. ----------------------------- far myself an asphalt late model 2 others. between 3 cars we've used penske ohlins qa1 pros. ranging from 1 4mi paperclip iowa speedway 7 8 milwaukee mile 1mi . don't ton experience building penske's adjusting assembling they're all about same. it's just matter capabilities each brand. 
28354 re weekly theme lf shock lm15 by the way awesome idea let's keep this going guys a different each week all winter. spring we'll be setup evil genius'.... or at least think we are 
28355 re alternator or not lee i run a 'racemate' it is alt. incorporated into the water pump. pulls 1 3 of hp more than pump alone. they are about 600.00. i'll gladly give that up to have strong ign. at end race. there 2 versions first 400 second and up. 
28356 re weekly theme lf shock dave thanks lm15 thats what i was looking 4 thought happening going from 4c to 5c would slow down the wait tranfur and keep it on rr longer makeing tighter in can anyone add this lets 
28357 re weekly theme lf shock swaybar i like and understand the exlanation given by lm15. it is simpler but pretty well on track with an explanation canuck gave a while back where he talked about shocks having effect instantaneous dynamic cross . think what car doing in part of you are diagnosing apply lm15 said to each corner should be at that point track. next week let's talk panhard bar split. 
28358 re weekly theme lf shock dirtrunner it was idd look at 11-10-05 posted by canuck. great stuff. 
28359 re anybody ever run a mini truck dirtrunner go to racestud.com waynesfield forum they have class there. 
28360 re anybody ever run a mini truck gene i've never one but we have local track that does. here is link may help you out. http racestud.com forums index.php s e9364e4fe7a41568ec9b6965f8d77283 showforum 29 
28361 re anybody ever run a mini truck 44dwarf alot of the tracks them up here. seaconk speedway in mass runs but you can put v8 if want with weight added. rules are on there s i t e. white mountain nh kids two divisions rookie and senoir all under 16year age. 44 
28362 re weekly theme lf shock swaybar dirtrunner - that's it. 
28363 re weekly theme lf shock lm15 http www.auto-ware.com autoware-bin techarchive.pl read 18963 copy paste that's one of the best descriptions idd i've seen. 
28364 re anybody ever run a mini truck dirtrunner am i seeing double lol. 
28365 widening front suspension on metric dirt car possum64 i was hoping somebody can give me some ideas what to use for upper control arms a streetstock. i'm going with early camaro lower and monte spindles.i have production arms.any will be useful thanks 
28366 lm15 dave when u have time can go over each shock harder softer to let me no how it works on wheel for so i put in my notebook less thinking at track thanks 
28367 re lm15 swaybar dave do a search and find the post mentioned earlier in this thread. that way you'll be able to think it through for yourself will benefit more from it. 
28368 re bleeding twin tube shocks that sat on side rich walling bob i am looking into building or buying a shock dyno depending finances. what is your opinion of the one sleepy designed in circle track built by nd-tech it seems could be duplicated witn parts bought from mcmaster-carr. didn't you used have 
28369 swaybar dave i realy need things in black white 4 me to learn them can read it 20 time and not comprehend did save other post was really good thanks 
28370 re swaybar lm15 dave i really can't stress enough to just read and re-read this link. copy paste http www.auto-ware.com autoware-bin techarchive.pl 18963 the short answer your request is no. honestly won't write such a guide. because it wouldn't be reliable. best could do more or less duplicate bob paulin canuck's post. keep trying think of way good guide but always ends up involving too many assumptions generalizations. i'm not comfortable with that. truly comprehensive shock tuning would pages thick still cover every possible situation. several manufactures' have published guides that say increase lf compression car will do... etc. most these contradicted each other in multiple places. reason made different about car's attitude behavior. increased popularity bbss style setups makes things even complicated. basics you should understand now are 1 shaft being pushed into body. corner traveling downwards ride height decreasing. 2 rebound pulled out upwards increasing. 3 stiffer slow rate at which compresses. also momentarily weight on wheel while suspension compressing. 4 lifts. decrease 5 general shocks only an effect traveling. exception if extreme amounts damping used alters all around track apply those rules various pairs rf rr etc consider how changing load pair cross weight. then momentary change affect balance. here's example front compressing increasing put onto tire lowering cross-weight end continues usually help turn make loose. careful what doing. can tell me entering know isn't actually maybe when you're hard brakes whole compresses as release both corners go rebound. that's one why saying stiffening cause _______ part corner. work. note like emphasize my first post assuming entry exit. after re-reading initial street stock flat it's entirely fairly likely goes much earlier than think. case may de-wedge probably loosen early wedge tighten from mid late until next phase control chassis' attitude. anyone hold ground drastic effects downforce roll center camber width sway bar preload sometimes outweigh dynamic diagonal due not. we've had cars drag nose start finish line holding track. some point during sillyness we remember there's bumps dips might play role there well. 
28371 re impala patch panels mnmale1972 thanks for the info. i am making my own. 
28372 re alternator or not mnmale1972 thanks for everyones opinion. my opinion did change. advantage me. lol again 
28373 re bleeding twin tube shocks that sat on side bob paulin - aka canuck while i admire sleepy gomez' ingenuity and many of his home-built tools couldn't see the value shock tester to be honest. still own my nd tech unit like it. have original a-1 model which better than current e-1. leo anderson designer dyno changed design a back in order make it more price-competitive with some clones. most them are gone now has either partnered-up or sold business someone working out florida. no longer speak leo. components come from reid tool supply but i'm sure you could find similar at mcmaster-carr. 
28374 re swaybar bob paulin - aka canuck dave fire up your google and take it out for a lap or two to find sources the following. both steve smith autosports carroll no relation offer pocket guides people such as you. steve's is targeted towards stock cars while carroll's tends be more indycar open wheelers. called smith's trackside chassis tuning guide engineer in pocket. are set so if you read book from one side shows problem possible cures reading other changes effects. was pointed by lm15 there really hard fast rule do certain things cure problems that's of rewarding challenges racing but either these should help point right direction. points his disclaimer suggested solutions way they not absolute fixes. 
28375 re bleeding twin tube shocks that sat on side rich walling how would you connect the timer i have looked for timing units could be used with micro switches to no avail. thanks again. 
28376 transmission question mnmale1972 this might be someone trying to get me going or a rumor spread.....but i was told that one of my competitors has button switch on his dash he use when wants go in reverse makes no sense unless there is something don't know but the best knowledge running powerglide. what if anything could have converted electric think story bs making sure ...... 
28377 re bleeding twin tube shocks that sat on side bob paulin - aka canuck the original a-1 dyno used a fairly expensive timer was wired to couple of micro-switches. current model uses robic stopwatch. two momentary-on pushbutton micro-switches spaced inches apart turn it and off when roller attached air cylinder shaft rolls over them. you clear stopwatch manually. can run remote trigger wires from start stop button virtually any electronic i've done before. also i believe saw potential market for remotely operated stopwatches offers one pre-wired. may want google 
28378 re transmission question bluebomber could be a control for solenoid valve 
28379 re widening front suspension on metric dirt car gentry88 the mid 70s camaro spindle rotor package widens track a about 1 2 inches if memeory serves along with bigger bearings and brakes..hope this helps...tj 
28380 re bleeding twin tube shocks that sat on side rich walling thanks for responding. with luck i just happen to have a friend neighbor who is retired mechanical engineer in second career as teacher. we are both car nuts and he lot common. asked yesterday if would help responded positively. btw has built compressor where the air cooled tap water it comes out basically dry. real neat thing painting or airing up tires. googled robic last week no avail. will email them. 
28381 re transmission question mnmale1972 yeah i think trans brakes are electric but don't there would be any benefit or reason to run a brake on circle track car..... thanks 
28382 re transmission question burt brown could be if he is running a direct drive powerglide that an electric solenoid operates it in low and reverse to able move around without torque converter. there are powerglides set up way i see as only something else go wrong. dozens of designs powerglides. the one use build needed no ball valve hoses levers pedals. built into body reverse. fact they operated had converter with hollow which was good for lower classes like street stock. really kick 
28383 engine hp question guest chevy 350 flat top pistons. 5.7 rods stock stroke hydraulic cam fuelie type heads ie 461 462 492 . 2.02 and 1.6 valves no porting. 11.5 comp. castiron 2bbl manifold 4412 1 5 8 x 30 headers. how much torque has anybody seen with a similiar combo. we have been able to produce 430 lb ft 400hp. 
28384 left front lower control arm bottoming on frame heloguy we had this problem last year but were still winning alot of races. the was contacting side. is a metric late model running 1 3 mile asphalt track. there anything can do with regards to mounting point for that will help situation. currently have about 7 travel front. aftermarket upper arms. 8 2 and right. i'm thinking if i cut shortened it by or moved down in so might help. any suggestions 
28385 re left front lower control arm bottoming on fram rich walling is it a stock if jim randerson of randercar once told me to grind or cut the c-arm where contacts frame. you want can then reinforce in any manner which allows miss 
28388 re engine hp question bap33 need to know how much squish you got going on. at what rpm are wanting all of this happen if the deck is zero and heads cut with .030 flats will still be bumping +10 1 carb tune correct cam aint junk timing spark +400 common on race gas. put in a good valve job light valves springs chain proper button perfect oil control vents over drain holes windage tray can see more numbers higher revs. three spirits motor cheap life gofast only get two time. 
28389 re left front lower control arm bottoming on fram bap33 any chance that little contact might be just the right amount of loose entry to make thing dive in good i know how you parking lot racers think lol cant listen me turn go left. 
28390 re left front lower control arm bottoming on fram heloguy we aren't allowwed to modify the so i was thinking frame would be next best area tinker with. 
28391 re left front lower control arm bottoming on fram ted you are getting 7 of travel or have is that at the wheel shock how much do in compression if start moving mounting points get into changing anti's and car may not run like it did. easiest way to pull spring out a-frame up. see where hits cut out. i v-notch part frame heat slightly an then move up bending notch give need clearance. 
28392 bob dave whats a good book for super street stock on pavement i run flat and 30deg bank track thanks 
28393 re transmission question mnmale1972 sounds like you have been around the block with direct drive. i understand your frustration. just curious drive setup......can that be run in first gear a small 1 4 mile track and we 6.88 final drive.....direct way to go but sure durabilty of 350...... thanks again for all info 
28394 negative number for fuel cell c.c.w. problem todd i know there was post about this somewhere before but thought it solved. ccw say to enter a is locate the right of chassis center line. here problem... program wont let me anything besides regular number. when try put sign dash doesn't show up. also tried using parenthese around and that work. anybody how solve thanks. 
28395 re negative number for fuel cell c.c.w. problem dirtrunner i'm the one that posted john said he was going to send a patch fix but hasn't yet. i think has forgot. as told me use it in weight section now. maybe he'll remember 
28396 re negative number for fuel cell c.c.w. problem dirtrunner it was posted on 3-11-07 i didn't think that long ago. 
28397 re negative number for fuel cell c.c.w. problem todd thanks. in the instructions it says to use a - so i assumed was fixed. any word on this john 
28398 re left front lower control arm bottoming on fram heloguy the travel is shock. 
28399 re bob paulin - aka canuck i haven't the slightest idea. there are no universal setups. probably a handful of different setups that will work as base then you adjust from there. two identically-built cars often require to accomodate driving styles or racing at similar but tracks. make friends with one faster runners in your class and start his setup adjusting off for own car driver. steve smith's books bit outdated offer some real basic information. if read back through my stuff understand too many variables track weather driver long-distance chassis advice....and i'd rather not open particular can worms. 
28400 re engine hp question guest 400 true is awesome numbers for that combo. my dyno source was getting 350-380hp with similar setup. you normally need 13-14.1 compression to get well into the 400hp range gauge legal 4412. most big 2bbl motors are 6-6.2 rod 
28401 re engine hp question hogracer3d i would say 290hp tops with a 2-bbl 
28402 ccw example numbers screen shot included todd i have been playing around with the program. it is very interesting to see what happens weight. am going through learning curve so need some help. here address summary page of program an car 
28403 ccw example numbers screen shot included todd i have been playing around with the program. it is very interesting to see what happens weight. am going through learning curve so need some help. here address summary page of program an car http speedwaytire.com board posting.php mode post f 2 sid 691a06a2d8119e3cf944c4619519f5ce preload seems be out wack and from read that not a good thing. but when change springs doesn't seem doing something wrong also anybody wanna give examples changes they would do in if were really tight middle could you explain realation data on 
28404 re sorry here is the correct link todd i pasted wrong before also about double post http www.speedwaytire.com board viewtopic.php f 2 t 33 
28405 re engine hp question rich walling try this. http www.castheads.com dyno_charts.php 
28406 re negative number for fuel cell c.c.w. problem j block oops forgot to fix that. it is hard remember that your sleev soaked with gas when shouts are on fire. i'm working as we speak and should have apatch i nthe next few days. thanks 
28407 re sorry here is the correct link j block hi todd preload not related to spring rate. it has do with corner weight and horz. distance cg. change weight. if this car was only tight in middle i would take some cross out of but that thing you want change. a lot depends on shape track ability get power down exit etc. hope helps. 
28408 re engine hp question hogracer3d i will guarantee that combo never make 400 real world 
28409 re transmission question burt brown i had to e-mail my answer this posting. the board wouldn't let me post it said was naughtybut wasn't 
28410 re bob dave hey we have a good setup for 30deg bank track many wins and championship its that flat driving me nuts not much time to practies i 2 books read just wanted your thoughts book duke souterlin old boyles im sure there spelt wrong cant find my steve smith any ideas on updated something can keep going back thanks 
28411 swaybar dave start this weeks theme about panhard bar 
28412 re sorry here is the correct link dirtrunner todd send me your file never messed with someone else's car. 
28413 topic of the week - p h bar split swaybar ok. i'd like to hear from those more knowledgeable that me how and why behind effect split. i understand concepts vertical placement but haven't thought through cause effects 
28414 re topic of the week - p h bar split swaybar has anyone seen new lefthander fab offset chassis for 09 i just noticed it on their s t e. it's got many features unlike anything else out right now and appears to be nothing like past. one things is that panhard have a bunch front rear angle in not parallel end. effects might interesting discuss also. tried minimize our car when installed end last year. here's link 4th photo from top. http www.lefthanderchassis.com 2009newcar.html 
28415 re sorry here is the correct link todd give me your email address and i will send you file. 
28416 re now i am confused todd on the preload thingy. in software help it describels as turning jackbolts or spring a coilover. need some more this. 
28417 patch j block hey guys i think i've got a worked out for the left right position of fuel cell. fire me an email at address above and i'll get you covered. jb 
28418 re now i am confused j block think about compressing the spring on a coil-over then installing it car. when you check cross weight may decide that numbers need to be changed. so turn collars change numbers. turning collar before or installed changes preload. imagine if had sky hook and lifted car at center of gravity. no preload all four wheels would leave ground evenly springs rattle freely same time. an odd way but is what happen. 
28419 re now i am confused todd that is the way was thinking of it. but in last post you said preload has nothing to do with spring rate. if change rate then reset my corner weight...it should reduce preload...correct program it doesn't preload. sorry about being a dumba don't see what doing wrong here. 
28420 re now i am confused j block sometimes this is a hard concept tp grasp. spring rate the stiffenss of spring. preload how much compressed loaded before and weight added. another way to think that if has 1000 lbs then it takes 1001 punch through compress corner car only 500 never gets compressed. an extream example but get point. without getting into bunch math science just understand can be good or bad. even on all four corners increase grip careful will you in trouble are not careful. oppos ite differeing each nearly always problem so often best let difference too big 
28421 re now i am confused todd so if want to keep the same cross weight in car...what do change get rid of preload while keeping 
28422 re now i am confused todd john - you said something like this before if have too much preload on a particular corner it means need stiffer spring that corner. for example let's say to run the car at 57 cross make driveable and 1000lb in r 200lb lr also of 102lbs each those corners. are saying raise rates springs lower rate get same feeling is done by looking wheel program not trying static weight thanks again all help 
28424 re sorry here is the correct link todd i emailed ya file 
28425 i hope this is sun light not clouds j block typically a car falls over in turn and people will jack weight into corner to hold it up. often times the handling improved with adjustment. what oftentimes happens these situations falling messes up front end geometry or make bunch of rear axle steer handles poorly. remember john's first law vehicle dynamics tries go where wheels are pointed messed makes for handling. so cases was poor that corrected by less suspension travel c. chapman's rule any work if you don't let . bottom line stiffer spring helped bad geometry. indicated large amounts preload. but everthing simple. would be stunned knew how much preload ran past season on indy lights 1600 pound ground effects wings too boot. i've done some tricks arca cup have living learn those your self which can software just think through see track numbers show from software. 
28426 re topic of the week - p h bar split bap33 i've ran a long with 6 front to rear on dirt car. just for clearence. and it worked fine. my j-bar is 3 out whack that would equate same over-all angle or close it. only thing ever seen was put in dead-on true watts link mounted pivot wheel pumkin both frame sides. those run perfectly perpendicular centerline racecar one from 12 00 at -- dead flat rail sides ride hight. totally neutral all points travel. i guess deflects compression if there too much angle. but tension don't think matters all. unless whole bunch begins react as trailing arm too. point you have two seprate moving parts are doing job pan controlling fore aft motion great way bind crappy handling read smokey's book ssa's book. must be true. 
28427 re topic of the week - p h bar split pacecar winning frankie grill garc cars have had that panhard design for last 3 to 4 years. so apparently it works. looks like lefthander copied that. 
28428 re topic of the week - p h bar split 97bubba lefthander has had a pretty good angle toward front on lazy j panhard for quite awhile now. 2000 offset fab stub that i used to work it was angle. new chassis display at year end special where we race alot old stuff it. when last time you saw lift arm an asphalt car late 90's if remember right because moved forward but am not sure. have go there and get some parts next could ask is kinda nice be less than hour away. dave p.s. too do understand why makes diference does or seems . what raising lowering car. know would like hear all your guy's opinions subject. 
28429 pacecar swaybar thanks pacecar. how about the overslung rear section are underslung chassis going to be a thing of past care comment on topic week your insight sure would valuable. 
28430 re topic of the week - p h bar split ted has anyone seen new car on track i am sure they have tested it and appears to some neat features. but seems that cg would be much higher front clip while bolt is a good idea design not resistive flex. don't see lot triangulation in front. reason behind under slung rear was added rigidity with lower cg. just kind through back what we ran 70's. pan-hard as long all links are rigid you really an effect. mainly become slightly more loaded either tension or compression. when compliance link then end may move bit. generally speaking angle for clearance. far here understand. affects handling longer less if take rr travel divide by 2 put amount lateral movement will minimized. rearend left right compression returns. this asphalt mounted right. total us up level at full moves one way only more. which better depends rest geometry. few years recall cup guys using lots martinsville push steered corner help rotate. other thing consider force mid corner. below center give slight down pull end. again so how where does effect cannot answer. imo driver big influence effects handling. data aquisition 3-d modeling usefull understand it's fullest. 
28431 re topic of the week - p h bar split swaybar thanks ted. good comments. i had same thoughts you did about new lh chassis high cg non-rigid front clip. 
28432 re topic of the week - p h bar split rich walling i beleive car set fast time at rockford short track nationals in september and think it finished 2nd 200 lapper. also had one those new aluminum ls chevy motors. 
28433 re topic of the week - p h bar split 97bubba eddie hoffman finished 2nd in a hamke. wilberg would have been driving it and 3rd. yes he set fast time has won 7 track championships there. not sure if you can base how good chassis is on that. bobby really get around rockford pile setup notes from superlates limiteds crate cars ect. don't me wrong i am trying to downplay new slightest. was successfull debut for can't think many better it. fyi hamke were 1 2. dave 
28434 re engine hp question scott it sounds like you need a reality check . put on chassis dyno and see what is makin to the rear wheels you'llshit yer pants scream it's wrong dynos can vary how testing done make numbers look good. if pullin 400 out of that combo got act togeather 
28435 re topic of the week - p h bar split bap33 you are bringing up something i have long said when a chassis maker puts local stud in car he aint selling me ... but they toss guy fresh from streeter class and dude is fast that means works. on dirt tracks thati race seen harris make zero into hero. i've studs like bobby hogge iv drive turd box it look rocket ship. 
28439 re topic of the week - p h bar split rich walling my mistake 8 passed wilberg with about 25 laps to go. 
28440 another preload question swaybar this concept of spring and its effects is new to me but i've wondered about it before. what has puzzled example - if you replace a 700 pound with 400 have the lot more get ride height back where was how much change really made john talked differing preloads at different corners leading problems. low ph bar bbss setups lr generally quite bit lighter than rr spring. on our car leads being preloaded static heights wedge they need be. are saying stiffer requiring less might work better great off-season stuff. i program. 
28441 rear swaybar mnmale1972 i have been reading and re-reading our rules found some interesting things removed or left out that nobody else has noticed. sways bars used to not be allowed now rule deleted. wondering what your opinions are about running a sway bar are. am consistent top five car. 77 impala purely stock. run in firgure eights enduros with 2 very similar cars. just looking for thoughgts mark 
28442 re topic of the week - p h bar split chassisdude you guys got me all involved in your post and now leave with no more answers then when i started thats just not right. lol really would like to hear on this subject. others know what result is from raising lowering but don't why car reacts change. understand roll center gravity hight finally where a change moves weight that does right rear gain raised or it loose i'm saying after my years getting turn little better corner by want turns better. oh please help here.... 
28443 re topic of the week - p h bar split ted from a previous post. not so much on but height in general. rc is theoretical point about which car rolls. roll occurs as result cg trying to contine straight line making turn. with being above rc's this creates moment arm similar ratchet rotating head and your hand cg. same if you raise then gets smaller like using small ratchet. lower longer. cgh changed mass force call there. only difference length arm. longer more shorter less roll. now that said few things affect total weight transfer lateral acceleration track width. note transfer. happens no matter what spring shock combination used. springs bars shocks do control where transfered. are kind anti squat turned sideways. think upper a-arms third link a-arm trailing arms. just an increase results having increasing rt side dip. chassis links themselves resisting or squat. when we add left rear resists front less. all equal panhard reducing resistance by thus transfering rr loosening car. my biggest does hopefully didn't confussion. 
28444 re engine hp question ss monte 71 i agree every dyno varies...ive never seen even close to 400 with that combo a stock intake...just my experience. 
28445 re engine hp question guest here is the reality check. this does make 400hp on one dyno but it known that within a few of some other superflows around. with car headers and mufflers. an actual 11.5 1 compression nascar legal vdl 4412. rumor has others are making near 420hp combination. i thought someone might have similar rules. 
28446 re another preload question dirtrunner swaybar go read this.http www.auto-ware.com autoware-bin techarchive.pl noframes 18668 
28447 re engine hp question guest the best i got was 385 with under cover porting on heads and intake 
28448 re another preload question swaybar thanks dirtrunner 
28449 re another preload question j block the reference posting is pretty good but let me add to thinking behind those comments. as you go around racetrack have situations where want car do something and then there are times when just accept what hapopening give it not further though. all often we focus on did meet our desire i wanted rotate faster right here or was okay front washed out . this typically for weight jack spring change swaybar pbar ever make a change. sometimes affects prior after specific event. however don't much more thought if complained about fixed better. in referenced post related load particular wheel. changing loads will yaw charactictics handling. than one way skin cat. so get your would stiffer lr work better answer maybe going depend rest of size shape track. mentioned before geometry aspect wheels pointed. stifer less travel softer associated with might be axle steer camber bump steer. impacting characteristics. can into fun part frequncy input grip. easy taken dale sr 20 some tries win daytona 500 lets generalities. large amounts differeing each corner almost always bad. customer got program asked look at his numbers. he had 300lbs total 600 across end o explaing situation made called back next week excited because fist time handled well won heat race 2nd 3rd main. story that tool. think didn't know torq wrenches existed kept blowing motors discovering tool help understanding problem. still pop motor eliminated previously unknown parameter. moral knowledge never waste no matter cost. long run ignorance expensive. 
28450 re engine hp question ss monte 71 just out of interest is the intake manifold stock or it reworked at all ...i run a similar combo and get around 330 horse 380 ft lbs with rochester carb 2 inch rams horns 1.94 1.5 valves.am i way off on power about right thanks 
28451 re topic of the week - p h bar split chassisdude thanks ted like i said knew what to do car but never why it would respond way would. so raising is adding stiffness rear and transfering more weight right in-turn loosing or making rotate better. you guys are always helpful 
28452 re engine hp question oval olds ok how about posting your combo here htt p sp ee dtalk .co m fo rum in dex.php take out the spaces first these guys _really_ know motors and we will find right quick if 400 is possible. 
28453 anyone know about dirtworks mods oval olds someone localy has a 1996 dirt works chassis with 9in ford rear 486 gear 358 chevy will sell for 4 000 motor or make offer it listed in another ad 2000 less out trade older car truck street rod ratrod any idea what frame stub suspension uses are cars too different to turn asphalt does the pricing sound high low be worth anything i have no 12 year old is but am not expecing much. might up project and into sports time trial racer later if cost can gotten down 1 500 thanks 
28454 re anyone know about dirtworks mods bap33 i'd think you can make a dw work good on anything. trouble is they closed their doors i heard so direct tech may be tuff. if want some feedback go over to whowon dot com and ask for info in the area. smart dudes there. even put it general area but don't how long will stay up imagine easier unhook car enough around paved track vs taking dirt. 
28455 chassis flex dirtrunner is there anyway to tell if you getting alot of flex. 
28456 re left front lower control arm bottoming on fram lee do you have a 'spindle rule' if not can pick up pair of drop spindles that will allow more travel. 
28457 raceway park in shakopee sold mnmale1972 donny ruevers a 4 time late model champion and current nascar division champ has reached an agreement to purchase from the owner. hope this is good change. but news for sure it was another race car driver not developer 
28458 re anybody ever run a mini truck jds motorsports we the seekonk sport trucks in mass. unfortunately out rules are pretty advanced. do have 2 s10's but aftermarket spindles uppers and mounts jacking bolts. 1 runs corvette w of drop taken other summitt which very reasonable on ebay. both handle well hold up fairly against 305 v8's. fords also mixed bag. i-beams has had 4 cyl mustang crossmember adapted to it. i like camber gain consistent bump steer that get with i-beam though steering is much tighter snout. panhard bars rear keep side load off leaf springs seems really shackles working correctly. at ride height if you need any help email me barefootcharters hotmail.com 
28459 re left front lower control arm bottoming on fram llm racer why not raise the car up an extra 1 2 -1 it sounds like you have some pretty soft springs for that much travel 
28460 correcting preload problems todd ok i know we have discussed this a bit but still questions. how do you keep the same weight percentages at corners and change appreciate all responses so far understand where comes from but.. get want in car 
28461 re correcting preload problems dirtrunner add weight is the only way to get scale numbers back where they was after you adjust your preload. car tight 
28462 re correcting preload problems todd yes it ended up tight is good for a couple of laps then gets in the middle causing to come out turns with too much wheel left. this causes kinda skate down straight and when i turn into next corner feels like on ice. so am assuming all caused by car being setup begin with. ps. still working that new patch...i don't know why can't read your files either 
28463 re correcting preload problems swaybar dirtrunner i'd have to respectfully disagree with your post a certain degree. moving weight has significant impace on left and rear bias but minimal effects crossweight. i would think that better cure for be change in spring rate. being said i'm still not 100 convinced is big of an issue. 
28464 lm15 pick a topic 4 this week dave i no how to adjust race car but dont what it does so im really enjoying lets keep finding new topics talk about 
28465 stock clutch lawnboy hello i need to know what over the counter and pressureplate use.ihave a 10.5 flywheel just not sure ask for. wwat year or model chevy.being used on 1 2 mile dirt thanks. 
28466 re stock clutch guest 1969 corvette l88 10.5 10 spline luk 04-021 zoom mu1675-1 95.95 summit racing 30042 circle track unsprung disc kevlar disc. 181.69 30043 sprung 170.39 all of the above are diaphram style. is a replacement with and pressure plates look identical. i have found kits to be best overall deal for style clutch. 
28467 re stock clutch dirtrunner go to autozones web s i t e a 74 chevelle and 85 corvette 66 impala take the same kit if zones te is correct. have one from there not sure what year or anything. took my flywheel in make bolt holes lined up bought it. 
28468 re correcting preload problems dirtrunner swaybar-- i didn't move weight added it. todd sent me his ccw file and had a average of 100lb per wheel cross was 57 . adjusted the car taking out also softer rf spring. yes rear left side stayed same but went down to 50 if he has tight not by other means you take out. helps measure what balance is in car. wants scale numbers stay needs add after change did. i'm no expert or engineer so wrong please correct thanks. 
28469 re stock clutch 97bubba 73-84 inline 6 cyl 1 2 ton chevy truck is the app i always use. autozone around here could only get 11 and it wouldn't work. advanced napa got us right one. 602 crate motor in a 3200 car. another car with an open now on dirt track instead of tar. 3 years still going strong lol dave 
28470 re stock clutch dirtrunner 97bubba--lol i went through the years you said 73-84 1 2 tone inline 6 and none of them have a 10.5 clutch. what size are using guest was looking for 
28471 re stock clutch dirtrunner 97bubba--lol i went through the years you said 73-84 1 2 tone inline 6 and none of them have a 10.5 clutch. what size are using lawnboy was looking for 
28472 re stock clutch richard 23 69 vette is what i look for. 
28473 re correcting preload problems swaybar i'll have to digest that one for a while. it sounds me like all you did in the virtual world is change rf spring and take wedge out of car. taking car shouldn't much affect at on left rear won't effect total weight so why where does he need add ballast not trying be argumentative - just understand example given. keep mind i don't softward front me. 
28474 re stock clutch swaybar i'll second the recommendation for luk 04-021. that's a corvette replacement - 10 spline 10.5 diameter. they are cheap and plenty strong street type car. also about 3 pounds lighter than ram racing clutch. i think pep boys stocks luk. 
28475 re correcting preload problems dirtrunner you are correct the left and rear stayed same only cross went down. if todd wants scales numbers to be as before i took out he needs add weight get back up. said that lol. program is helpful in getting a balanced car could say without all or preload. where's john 
28476 i'm here j block just want to see if the conversation can work out solution. we have had some really good exchanges of thoughts lately in this thread and other subjects. i must bad luck 'cause when chime it usually kills lol. you said things much as would agree that front rear left right percentages typically only be changed by adding or subtracting physical weight. a few tricks will make change but remember is how my living any tech inspectors watching don't need know do such magic. cross weight preload are same thing different units. car may heavy rf lr represented number relating total pounds one corner car. keep going let me kill another 
28477 re i'm here todd ok so i can't get rid of the preload and keep same percentages. think that is what being said. am thinking should not be using cross percentage or as it called but rather change spring rates sway bar in car to wheel loads way need them corners by entering information program comparing load at wheels after weight transfer. getting this correct 
28478 re i'm here dirtrunner todd you said get the wheel loads way i need them why do yo like that 
28479 re i'm here todd i am not saying necessarily need them the way they are now. just if my car was handling pretty good with a setup that incorporated alot of preload...i would want to change preload aka cross reduce and try other stuff get wheel loads same after weight transfer. make sense as for real situation is deal at our home track handles couple laps then gets tight in middle goes away. we went different end year. it little bigger has 6 more degrees banking. set up thinking increased size banking allow handle better setup....and did great new racing full cars never realized how off regular until felt banked track. being said...does first part post 
28482 re i'm here todd sorry about the confusion. my car at home track is good for a couple of laps. then gets tight in middle and goes to shizzzzit more laps it turns. no i can't open your file. am seriously considering purchasing some type data aquisition system first seems like way much spend class racing but think maybe not. plus if could get using rent out services other teams. 
28483 re i'm here todd when you used ccw to find a setup that landed in the middle weight transfer is of your with swaybard and without one...how did it end up came work out better than other two 
28484 re correcting preload problems guest check your shock travel on the right side get it same and keep increasing springs until car stays consistent. consistentcy is key to you going faster being able make adjustsments. 
28485 re i'm here dirtrunner front rear push 611-1394-782front 600-1377-777rear no-push 713-1386-672front 569-1339-769rear maybe next year i'll try the sway bar again with softer springs. only thing i did was add a these two setups. 
28486 re i'm here dirtrunner take out the preload for your home track. and at bigger track just add more compression in right side shocks. 
28487 re chassis flex anyone dirtrunner does have any pics of a they want to send me so i can compare how the is built. 
28491 re stock clutch 97bubba it's actually listed as 10.4 . yes that is the app i have used now for years. don't really know why its not coming up. but what use. sorry a part lol dave 
28492 re stock clutch 97bubba reman part ncl 655469a new nnc mu54691a listed as 10 online but those are the 's is like 153.00 for set and 209.00. dave 
28495 re chassis flex anyone j block don't have any pictures but here is something i did back at clr racing built a fixture to twist the cars measure stiffness of 3 we had cause they were diffrent and two been clipped. these hand-me-down cup so pretty well start. what found would make your jaw hit floor. my boom kind like an engine hoist arm length 10' calculations simple then put 200 pounds lead on end arm. all flexed lot. you could actually by hand move cars. goal was same because there big difference between 3. being good engineer carfully studied each car placed different bars car. configuration thay came in 17000 per degree flex. fun part this crew chief that time thought engineers waste he decided one bar should be added it stronges stable. once place checked went down boys cut out back. owner watched whole thing got new chief. moral story hard tell just looking always never guess. 
28496 352 destroker mnmale1972 anybody have any experience building this combo. they changed our rule for next year stating 355 max cu inch. but no bore i a 400 block and 327 crank ....wondering what pistons rods to use. thanks. 
28497 re 352 destroker rich walling the bigger bore of will allow you increase hp in upper rpm range due to unshroding valves. i built one with cp pistons manley 300m 6.20 rods and a 39 callies crank. we had 5 fastest 10 times few years ago at local track 2 4 7 . engine also some real good brezinski bow tie heads 16 inch valves mushroom cam that .904 base. similar lift duration as roller grind. because 1400 gram bob weight it would really scream. probably could have run higher than 8200 did but didn't think was necessary. don't warranted 15 grand invested just for long block. remember burning fuel is what makes horse power. must be mixed apropriate amount air. 3.5 stroke motor light rotating assembly 6 all need. next year freshened up an older by using wiseco different .342 lifters went fast. plus less my .02 
28499 re chassis flex anyone 44dwarf i've always wanted to model my dwarf in modal and finite element analysis softwear but i no longer have acess it. think so soldwork packages will do it not sure i'm a computer guy. 44 
28500 re 352 destroker big bore this combo is getting popular again in some midwest lm's. probe has forged pistons using 6 rod w 3.25 crank. the are actually made by mahle. i think comp ht. around 1.375. motors really pull off corners. one local guy told me 20 years ago he used a large journal cast 307 crank bearing spacers modified l-6 ford rods 6.3 custom 4.155 and turned it over 7500 360 sprint car combo. eagle 4340 use probe's get set of crower sportsman or compstar you could build motor rather cheap turn near 8000 with right cam valvetrain. 
28502 re 352 destroker rich walling after reading my post i must explain that the lifters were mushroomed with a .904 base not cam. 
28505 re 352 destroker mnmale1972 that sound like alot mnore than i want to go with.......i am looking cheap and claimer......... sounds a good combo tho. 
28506 re 352 destroker mnmale1972 that sounds like a good combo. i have heard about the ford rods. think need to be resized and some machining done for widths. thanks your input 
28507 topic of the week - front rear weight balance lm15 i didn't see until now was asked to pick next week's so here's something a few us were talking about couple nights ago. we race asphalt late models straight rail 10 tire 58 left 500ish hp 27-2800lb abc body . we've noticed that sometimes more by moving ballast keeping it between axle lines seems help car turn other times makes push. adding fuel loose tight. at first like track with lateral loading would cause heavier end have less grip. transfer possibly allow stick better as additional pushing downwards on tires increase our conclusion flatter should than high banked track. and therefore flat tracks nose will make push turn. but i-70 speedway 28 banking if recall made get loose. some maybe allowed enough extra corner speed really change or actually increased feel car's reaction has be an effect vertical vs. transfer. haven't been able prove yet. cg height plays role does lower react different what are peoples' experiences behavior changes john sponsor me accelerometer this spring please 
28508 no oil pressure - please help speedfreak engine has zero on the guage. removed thwe line going to guage and turned over got nothing coming out of brass fitting at back block. pump screen is not clogged also working fine. what could be problem here 
28509 re no oil pressure - please help josh k. possible callapsed filter. new engine the plug under rear main not installed gallery plugs in front timing chain area missing possibly reliaf valave pump stuck open. just a few ideas hope this helps. 
28513 re chassis flex anyone j block you can use solid works to create the model and save it as a file. then take run through some type of fea do analysis. i built fixture because was faster than doing model. also once have next car is no time. models are great would not fly in plane that had been modeled but for quick dirty answer race logical me management. 
28514 important notice to all j block well the damn spammers found us again. i cranked up filter see if they will go away. so you have trouble posting drop me an email and i'll get going. thanks for your patients john 
28515 re no oil pressure - please help mnmale1972 do you have on either bank possibly a cam bearing not lined up with an hole or spun try spining the pump distribuotr out and see if get any at distributor base holes...... i am assuming aren't getting floor 
28516 re no oil pressure - please help dirtrunner dist gear pin is broke not turning the shaft cam or timing chain 
28517 re no oil pressure - please help ira37 if you have an external filter make sure your lines are not crossed 
28518 speedwaymotors dirtrunner glad to see auto-ware getting out there this s ite is a big help. 
28519 re chassis flex anyone 44dwarf most definitely do both if you can cause computer models and whats really built are never the same. 44 
28520 re topic of the week - front rear weight balance todd i too am interested in talking about this topic. have been playing with ccw and looking at transfer different banking etc. it seems like there is more side to on a flatter track. as far percentage still trying work that one out too. know our car runs better higher home track small 1 4 8degree banked asphalt we tried going lighter but just felt had no grip coming off corner. very skatey exit. went back much secure would be interesting here an engineers explination 
28521 re topic of the week - front rear weight balance ted i'll put my 2 cents in. i have not had a chance to run numbers and like that is on plate for this winter so forgive me if some off. but here what expect find. in general asphalt does apply dirt. track banking much issue as layout long sweeping high momentum corners vs tight stop go corners. also type car engine play into it well. we look at cornering can break down 3 phases braking mid turn acceleration. slows transfered more bias will help equally load tires thus giving us maximum braking. things keep mind higher cg causes transfer meaning initial required bad thing. turn. best results are achived with 50 such all 4 wheels loaded. do. add then start get loose non-linearity comes play. becomes pushy. cgh right side. acceleration only driving forward rear. torque our disposal needed from breaking traction. less traction available need. enough prevent wheel spin any doesn't gain anything. note has an effect good how do must where need be fast pass time spend grip. tracks accelerating than speed corner under hard martinsville getting off important tend towards bias. longer orp gas earler slower toward now tires. entrance stay was compared flat track. exit added gives capability. grip bank reduce percentage without sacrificing exit. require does. understanding circumstance key needs done. just generalities cents. 
28522 re 352 destroker big bore another low buck option is used 18 deg dome pistons with correct pin height. we have a guy around here who has shaved them to 23deg valve notches. don't know how good they work but he few modifieds that combo. 
28523 re topic of the week - front rear weight balance j block well said. ted did an excellent job in my mind. one extra thing to add is linking three sections and how it impacts yaw rate gain. this that polar interia added free body when looking at all forces. may be a bit more noticable on dirt than pavement due drive pitch car into turns but otherwise said ted. 
28524 re topic of the week - front rear weight balance mnmale1972 i hate to even speak up but this stuf is very informative. would ad can't......my sponge brain busy soaking it all in. thanks mark 
28525 re 352 destroker anonymous1 is this motor combination possible with 5.7 rods 
28526 re 352 destroker rich walling any rod length is possible you just have to get a piston with the correct compression distance. cd subtract 1 2 stroke plus from 9.025 . 9.025-1.625+5.7 1.7. most manufacturers will make want. can jugggle deck heights few thousanths and put above little as long about.035 head i built real expensive parametriclly sound engines found out that money better spent on getting car handle. if are in claimer division then save your by building good inexpensive motor. my .02 
28527 re topic of the week - front rear weight balance todd when you read ted's post it makes seem so simple. i would never be able to explain clearly. nice post. 
28528 re 352 destroker anonymous1 rich thanks. 
28529 re 352 destroker mnmale1972 thanks rich i fould a couple of good rotating assemblies available online but am leaning towards running my same motor with some minor tweaking. this is would like to try as you just posted gonna focus more on handling......i afraind the torque get compound current traction problem and that won't make me faster. for everyones input mark 
28530 brake pad preference mnmale1972 wondering what other people prefer. stock 3200 pound cardisc drum. currently i am using just street ceramics but some of racw with use hawks. they seems to like them don't the idea up my rotors as fast pads. about performance friction or does wildwood make a type thanks for your opinions. 
28531 fier bottle ed does anyone know where i can send or go to in northern ohio get a filled with halon 
28532 re topic of the week - front rear weight balance pacecar mid turn. best results for turn are achived with a 50 bias such that all 4 wheels equally loaded. this is we can do. actually tires equal nominal size front-to-rear aero mid-turn cornering speed better front-heavy car. during mid-corner car decelerating engine braking torque applied to wheels. so being worked little harder than fronts. cup cars just lift corner on high-speed track prefer speed. 
28533 fire bottle ed not fier i should use spell check. 
28534 re brake pad preference lm15 in the late models we're using performance friction. mid-am car also had pf pads. hobby stock we started with hawks black i think . hated everything about them. they killed rotors faded during a race and bad torque curve. seemed real grabby initially then lost bite soon. it was really pedal feel for me. tried wilwood pads can't remember compound but want to say e they're very similar 01 good rotor life minimal fade great smooth yet powerful braking. would definitely recommend either wilwood's or like said don't ran exactly. if you go pf's use front 97 rear mid-am. you've got drum rears could probably is little harder less works at higher temperature get some shoes rear. where our old were fairly decent semi-metalic. 
28536 re brake pad preference richard 23 i use to pf83's because you could get them super hot with little fade the only problem is they killed rotors. when ran 01's first time found also very and not fade. it seems as if can more braking power without lockup aren't near hard on rotors 83's. another vote for pf 01's. 97's in rear 
28537 re brake pad preference swaybar on the 3300 pound street stock with calipers i really like pf z-rated performance pads. seem to last forever and are easy rotors. in late model we tried new 81 compound this year. it also wears nicely doesn't fade much. seems grab much better than 
28538 re brake pad preference rich walling pf z rated pads were used once when we in a pinch and never went back to the 83's on our metric mid-american. like swaybar said. 
28539 re topic of the week - front rear weight balance rich walling i never realaized this untill after quit driving but always thought could go through corners faster if didn't have to slow down. it seems when warmed up drive train during hot laps going 55 mph mid turn cornering was better than in racing mode. violent changes suspension due braking and accelerating sometimes upset cars attitude on corner entry exit. that believe is reason for different springs shocks swaybar combinations tracks drivers. wondered skid pad tests really subbed race track testing. 
28540 604 crate lifter adjustment rich walling if there are any techs out that can help me i would appreciate it. what is the preload for chevy hydraulic roller lifers thanks in advance. 
28541 re topic of the week - front rear weight balance ted just a clarification on my post i refer to mid turn as constant steering input little no acceleration or deacceleration. with this believe 50 split would be ideal. but only for time frame and in general term. so that being said here is take nose heavy high speed entry if car entering slowing engine then will more balanced. basically it degrades fronts match degraded rears. rears are due not having slow also resist lateral force. some grip used leaving less tires generally becoming efficient additional load g force capability goes down increased case car. now we add braking change based bias breaks. min pushes gets loose while straight nearly line wheels increase maximum capability. may need. you at limit far nothing gained. again lot dependant track layout. hypothetical generalities. 
28542 caster big john maybe you can help us out we've been doing research and have discussing adjusting on a troyer asphalt modified or touring latemodel. could comment what the advantages disadvantages to changing using lower control arms over upper would be if any i keep saying there has reason just can't find much info this 
28543 re topic of the week - front rear weight balance ted smooth and repeatable will generally always win over lenght a race jerky unrepeatable. smoothness keeps transition shocking effect to minimum repeatability allows for crew chief adjust what car is doing due set up not driver causing do. it's why john says that 90 exactly sure number but remember it being there gain from data aquisition comes improvement. during his webinars he presented 2 drivers same track. one you could lay plot on top each other see no variance. was all place. with variance doing. so easy. 
28544 re caster 44dwarf if adjusted with the lower you mess up ackerman bump steer and wheel base squareness of car. 
28545 re 352 destroker old man i think you should be able to make that crank and block combination work by using an off the shelf 400 piston is made for a 6 rod but instead 6.25 connecting rod. dont have time do math right now it might worth checking out. 
28547 re caster j block here is my 2 cents. as far the wheel can tell however other bits and pieces have interactions. on stock cars modifieds steering arm spindle axis tend to be closer bottom ball joint. formula type it often very different. so depending how you make change may creating a larger or smaller geometry in plan view i.e top . this small difference but just aware there difference. some people will no doubt argue about wheelbase with vs. car was better guess hawthorne affect has been experience that front negligible comparison at rear. we never really seen anything data always see when made adjustment back. 
28548 r tire temp dave my car was running great but the right rear temps 30degs hotter then left what are some things i can try to lower rr it also rf thanks ps if anything tight in center 
28549 re fier bottle 97bubba any good fire saftey extinguisher company should be able to help you out. or check with local dept. they give a list of names alarm and companies in the area. i know that we don't recommend one over another but do out reputable companies. dave 
28550 re caster thetech hey john................ a long time ago you felt that turnplates and were kind of well self explanatory................ probably don't remember though. we have all developed in different directions since then but end up returning to the same things past present as well. any change an ifs layout may be enhanced de-enhanced or even nuetralized. efficient study indicates changes made + -ackerman anti's camber toe so forth. i do alot this type work at my --thatsanewconcept.com-- place business.......... it can analyzed. depends on what your to............ isn't it's specifics..................... 
28551 re r tire temp dirtrunner softer rr spring lower rear roll center or pressure. 
28552 re 604 crate lifter adjustment mnmale1972 i must be confused....i didn't think that was a roller motor 
28553 re r tire temp dirtrunner softer rr spring lower rear roll center or pressure only for the temps not to fix tight. car type 
28554 re 604 crate lifter adjustment mnmale1972 my mistake i was dumb thinking. it is a zero lash motor. no preload. tighten the adjusting nut until you feel resistance back off 1 16 of turn allen screw then to original position same principle as stock gm valve train but have nuts. 
28555 re brake pad preference mnmale1972 those are the ones i keep hearing about but can't find em locally....guess have to look harder...lol thanks for all opinions. 
28556 re 604 crate lifter adjustment 22racing careful tightening the adjusters after setting locking screw or you can break fatique tops of your rocker studs. might not come apart in shop but 50 laps 6000 rpm they will fail if tighten too much set screw... 
28561 re caster 44dwarf wheel base does change some if adjust top or bottom this is true however on my spindels the axle stub not centered upright so greater when adjusted at bottom. but yes as long you check everything again after it can be done. 44 
28562 re r tire temp big bore the question would be how does rr compare to rf 
28563 re brake pad preference 97bubba tar the one mod only races time a year but we take it to special events and practice nites several times year. other is weekly well biweekly racer. theses are ceramic that raybestos makes. they seem work as performance friction racing pads i used get from lefthander amd half money. gotta like these days. lol dave p.s. of street stocks buddy mines car went dirt few years ago. 
28564 re r tire temp dave 3300lb steet stock on pavement temps are rf 139 rr 154 lr 127 lf 112 thanks 
28565 re r tire temp dirtrunner is this a stock 4-link in the rear have you tried to loosen car with shocks give more info about car. 
28566 re 604 crate lifter adjustment josh k. gm says 0-1 4 turn hot. 
28567 re r tire temp heloguy just from the temps i would say car be loose. putting in more wedge and maybe not driving into corner so fast. 
28568 re 604 crate lifter adjustment rich walling thanks mn and josh. 
28569 re r tire temp todd even though the numbers say it is loose may not be. we had a very similar problem last year. rr was hottest on car but reason because rather tight condition caused to happen. in middle which rear tires try and push against fronts. ultimately become off heat up rr. 
28570 re r tire temp big bore that shows loose for sure but if you are tight in the middle can have a few other things happening. is front to rear tread width same rr wheelbase shorter than lr often times overworking trying turn and dogtracking. will cause push especially on gas. lower caster split also problems middle-off. did play with stagger at all do sway bar jamming up entry thru 
28571 re 352 destroker big bore 1.250 piston for 6.125 rod 
28572 re r tire temp dave yes stock 4 link shocks are lf 4c6r rf 7c7r lr 5c7r rr 5c5r springs 1150 1500 225 200 i dont have scale numbers with me but think they 54 left cross and 50 rear in my notes a stiffer lowers if do that should to lower the it im going try less air also right now its same as thanks 
28573 re 352 destroker old man actually i was thinking of a 1.15 or 1.13 piston and 6.25 rod 
28574 re 352 destroker old man big bore- i think either one would work. 
28575 re r tire temp swaybar those front springs are very stiff. is that 1500rf a typo or correct 
28576 re r tire temp dirtrunner give scale numbers and what size bar 
28577 re correcting preload problems alan hey--fellows you must be on dirt. asphalt always run more weight the left front. because in corners transfers to right. 75-100 lbs.more frontand 200-400lbs heaver rear. 
28578 sping question mnmale1972 wondering if some one can talk about the effect of a progressive rate spring on rate. what i mean is this...... buy stock rear metric gm it has these specs.... 121.5 lbs in load 760.0 free height 14.75 install 8.5 cargo coil for that same application specs 116.0 405.0 15.54 11.00 guess don't understand principle or because would have expected to be higher number than spring. based numbers my assumption ride little but overall sfter this does not make sense me. think am confused as hoping someone here me smarter...lol mark 
28579 alan swaybar have you ever worked on a late model type car with more than 56 cross it's mighty difficult to get the lf heavier rf in this of scenario. i'd agree low-cross setup but not using high weight. 
28580 re sping question bob paulin - aka canuck the cargo coil has several coils wound closer together than usual. as compresses these closely bind effectively taking them out of service. for example a six-coil spring might have three closely-wound coils. under normal use it functions spring. when up however becomes three-coil spring....just if you had cut off. all else being equal fewer equals stiffer problem i find in racing is that isn't smoothly progressive acts like full until two-or-three then rate jumps. believe order to be car and driver would run absolutely consistent laps.....and we know that's not likely what with traffic etc. 
28581 re sping question mnmale1972 so let me try and understand..........the reason the spring is rate less because it actually coil binding i guess that makes sense to me. have astro van springs in front of my 3200 lb fidure eight car. races on a larger track an enduro race at end year did experience bind affect. all now..... thanks 
28582 re sping question bob paulin - aka canuck i think you are comparing apples and oranges here. you've got a 2.5 difference in installed height between the two coils mentioned along with what appears to be different rates. how many working there each spring fewer oe is likely initial rates.....but then cargo coil would suddenly increase its rate substantially past that of once close bound. might need an extra or allow some standard springing which explain softer rate. if were one-half-inch apart only them have half-inch movement before bind change. three one inch bind. they able approximate oem by increasing wire size but when bound it unsafe amount for application. remember these engineered street use general public possible points litigation considered design engineering product. factory rep explained me . specifically application taking into account suspension geometry ideal point change something breaks racing wrecks car racer fixes damage races next week. on highway people look deepest pockets pay some. don't try compare match 'cargo ' any simply no way them. was best advice ever received from my shop days. 
28583 re r tire temp 97bubba i agree with you on that one swaybar. is an awful lot o spring there. would think softening the front rf mainly will help it bite better and should allow to turn better. this bring down rr temp. have never seen a split in rate more than 100 's or so work very well. just my experience some may get away but worked for me. 1000-1100 be enough front. dave 
28584 re r tire temp dave sorry guy it one of them things that works for me a 30deg+ track with tight conners just put 1500 in because new brand was 1450 need some ideas on rr dont want to smoke 2 more races left thanks 
28585 re 604 crate lifter adjustment dan riley after you are at zero lash adjust the piston down .050 below retaining clip. 
28586 re 604 crate lifter adjustment rich walling so it's either zero lash or .050 preload. i'm thinking maybe i'd better see a gm spec book. plus is in the vicinity of what one aftermarket suppliers states. that would be 1 and 5 turn 72 degrees. 24 threads per inch 
28589 re sping question alan while we are on the subjict of springs--on my late model should i use 12 inch or 10 coilover springs same rate. race asphalt. is there any difference as long they don't coil bind 
28590 re 604 crate lifter adjustment dirtrunner on older cars with hydraulic lifters i think the book said turn 1-11 2 down. you have about .090 in a to adjust. it 1 and go. 
28595 re establishing proper roll center in camaro matt thanks for the quick response. lm15-sounds like you have quiet a project on your hands. i'm ways from calculating out those types of things but hopefully day will come. to be more specific our front end parts... i guess shouldn't said realativly because its really all stock. only ball joints brake calipers rotors can changed. rules do not allow movement uper pivot unless by means noticed tech. sounds should shoot upper and worry with rest - worth trouble. 
28596 re establishing proper roll center in camaro dave if u want a higher raise your car try to make lower control arms leavel should be over 3in easy cars with stock parts run better when there just take ur springs out all back together put flour jack under left and right frame rail till you get lowers almost recheck 
28597 re establishing proper roll center in camaro alan c colman makes uper and lower ball joints with shims that you move from top to bottom realy works good. can always grind the intermounting holes some help out. hey 15 why do your so far left i race on a 5degree asphalt track use dymanic of 0 4 degrees left. chassis is portcity straight rail using bbss. 
28598 re sping question mnmale1972 thanks canuck. you definatley made me understand. going back to my spring catalog with a better understanding of what i want do. again mark 
28599 602 crate motor joe just wondering if its worth buying a one year old or should u buy new can save about thousand bucks thanks 
28602 re 602 crate motor guest for the extra 1000 i would buy new unless totally trusted guy was buying from.is from your home track 
28603 re brake pad preference jim raybestes brutes stock metric after 1 season they look beand new. 
28604 re 602 crate motor joe thanks guys...there is no particular im looking at right now just wondering what your opinions are on a used one.. 
28605 decking lawnboy hello anybody know how much can be milled off the deck of a chevy 350 without causing any problems.i was planning on using trw pistons and found they sit .020 in hole thanks. 
28606 re decking josh k. thats plenty safe i would guess a solid .060 be yet. 
28607 spindle mnmale1972 anybody know of a taller that will work with full size impala 77-90 
28608 re decking lucifer might have to mill intake or elongate bolt holes some too. 
28609 re decking 97bubba you can mill the block to 9 without any problems. anymore than that and will have problems finding your rod piston crank combo since most are assemblies. blocks for part 9.025 when they cast. start getting into pretty exotic expensive bore stroke combo's with custom length rods ect. would be went beyond that. deck thin at anything .025. there has something bolt head to. lol good machine shop intake end seals of same amount easy fitment intake. if heads milled alot then might issues. just seal surfaces cut too i haven't had issues yet. now angle is a whole nother thread nitemare. dave 
28610 roll center lower control arms bj we're trying this bbss setup on our asphalt lm car year we know is a very important part of setup. my question with and the arms. going to have angle approximatley 2.2. i'm figuring right could be set zero static but left not sure do roll. using geometry software i use some input 
28611 re roll center lower control arms dirtrunner angle what software figures that 
28613 ccw email todd john i sent you an about the program. thanks. 
28614 re ccw email dirtrunner don't keep a secret what does it say 
28615 re spindle mnmale1972 figured a couple of other ways around it. thanks. 
28616 re ccw email todd it's a secret....lol 
28617 hoosier comanche's racer67 our track may be going to next year and i searched the archives found one post on these tires reviews seem very mixed kind of a love hate thing toards tires. we currently run mostly goodyear regatta's which are no longer availabe. what other street work out good in 75 or 70 series tire do you know about this comanche 
28618 bbss camber gain big john need some help we trying to workout a setup on our tourng late model stuck with this front roll center. from all of the reading have been doing right needs least amount possible so as keep consistent throughtout dive and roll. block could you or any folks us out track we're at is 1 4mile 6 degree banked oval asphalt 
28619 re bbss camber gain dirtrunner look up big bar theory in the archives. front suspension program works great. 
28620 mounting a splined sway bar - method todd i am going to put in bar. does anyone have any suggestions on how mount it is worth fabricating whole tube from rail the through or just as effective bushings mounted each much affect rate if arms connect farther away rails. know what mean. thanks. 
28621 re bbss camber gain todd i don't know if you need to have less gain. am thinking just adjust the static so after desired needed for corner. 
28622 re bbss camber gain j block with i like to kill off some due the added vertical travel. problem just changing static is that it nibbles away at directional stability and makes for tricky wear patterens temps. without giving farm real trick lf. think about what happens over there different points in turn lightbulb should come on. 
28623 re mounting a splined sway bar - method 44dwarf no need for whole tube. use bronze bushings plain bearings like this. grainger.com grainger items 2x531 as far the arms if they attach to lowers at same point oem then you'll be fine except connections heim joints are big of an angle rate will vary some. arm length from frame sets overall closer is stiffer. i have 3 on my car can move too and 2 different dia bars so play with rates. 
28624 re mounting a splined sway bar - method todd thanks for the post. that helps me. i would also like to know though let's say have frame rails are 33 inches outside edge and length of my is 36 inches. bushings mounte on course. give me 1.5 rails. now what if took same rail width used was 37.5 long. this 2.25 fram does any effect rate or performance thanks. 
28625 re mounting a splined sway bar - method 44dwarf i see it yes there more just like spring with coils is softer so would be longer bar. quick google seems to conferm this. stockcarproducts.com pstech6.htm 44 
28626 re mounting a splined sway bar - method todd after re-reading my post i can see how you would think was asking about longer bar. what am actually is the same length but narrower frame rails. let's try this again 37.5 33 rail to leaves 2.25 of between each and arm 35 1.25 does that extra beyond width rails have any effect whew....i never been very good writer 
28627 re mounting a splined sway bar - method 44dwarf oh now i got you. no do not believe it would change if its the same bar. only time be difrent is on those trick bars where they turn down od inbetween mounts are rated at smallest and lenght of small od. 44 
28628 re bbss camber gain richard 23 i've been hearing more on the lf and less rf with lots of travel. 
28629 re mounting a splined sway bar - method rich walling is there an advantage using the type 
28630 re mounting a splined sway bar - method oval olds todd in theory narrow spaced frame mounts with the same diameter length would give lower roll stiffness. push things to extremes. move 12 apart. when arms they will twist and also bend it. this bending lowers rate i'd think which stiffness builds. now there are factory bars don't attach frame. look at 70's vw bus clamp about 6 ends control rely on transfer load from one wheel other. typical rear drive us car it's single link pins needs work. only real way know is use fea finite element analysis check rate. i suspect few inches isn't going make much difference. 
28631 re mounting a splined sway bar - method todd i believe there is an advantage to the bar. it give you more options change rate for track tuning. are bars available with different rates situations. also seems of accurate. was helping out another team at end season as amazed how quickly they could swap thier would have taken me much longer unhook my traditional and put one in. least that why changing over this style. anyone else thoughts on 
28632 re mounting a splined sway bar - method todd oval that is what i was thinking. thanks for helping me out. 
28633 now how about connecting it to the a-arms todd any opinions on left and right side sway bar arms do you use chain links rod ends slapper 
28634 re now how about connecting it to the a-arms 44dwarf when i had only one big bar used hiems on right and slaper left. i'd adjust space tune but that not best i've got two bars 3 sets of arms both ends. 
28635 re bbss camber gain big john so let me see if i'm understanding this right for our tracks configuration we can limit as much vertical travel possible and minimize the in left front should help stabilize tire temps wear. is correct 1 4 mile oval 6 degree banking 
28636 re bbss camber gain j block the vertical travel is a good thing. stiffer springs limit but then its not any more. so don't worry about temp and wear get bak to issue. root of issue thrust. it can help or hurt cornering. change makes better worse. just remember with you typically need reduce from as standard set-up. however this absolute. if suspension had little start went may be okay in configuration. have look at whole picture. for example it's cold outside go south. are on other side equator well see what i mean 
28637 re bbss camber gain j block if you race at my track then i might tell that. it car i'm doing something else when we went throught the webinars on data acquisition was pretty clear what lf a set up. just trust me not pretty. oh wait where do urr aah oops bad better put more angle in that top arm. 
28638 re bbss camber gain bsh i'v been messing with this stuff on my street stock type metric car. i put travle indicators the front and than back at shop pulled a arms up to where they ended track jaw nearly hit floor when realised what lf was doing. couldn't belive missed would be happening all that over old setup. after smacked myself in forehead d'oh promptly fabbed longer upper arm for side. it like night day that. take note of way gains camber. 
28639 practice sessions mnmale1972 i have not been very good about aquiring or tracking my session data. looking for tips methods of and saving just got myself a notebook making some spreadsheets to help with tire temp track air presures etc. but am curious how real race team goes should get cold hot temps if make run change let tires cool before another pre post feeling car results lot people in class spend no energy time checking much any info think could step up game did. thanks your patience advise 
28640 re hoosier comanche's mnmale1972 i run both tires. hoosiers for figure eights and the regattas enduros. are a great street tire but will not be good as it depends on your track configuration style of racing. by far best radial have run....great forward bite cornering traction with wear. if you can would learn them..they cheaper readily available. turned faster lap time than my that myself don't ability so once other cars at disadvantage also kelly navigator golds goodyear eagle rsa egles very think wear funny. 
28641 re bbss camber gain richard 23 i was talking about not camber. in the vicinity of 9 degrees on lf and 0 rf depending upper arm length travel with bbss. 
28642 re bbss camber gain j block we are talking about gain. 
28643 re practice sessions corey melton i think to help answer your questions you should tell more about what run and sort of tracks. this can determine things focus on recording. even without that information yet would say don't worry the cold pre temps. for tire temps only hot after a run. still take as best or indicator handling. record have already cooled significantly try notice general trends. if see large discrepancy appear than action with pressure camber etc... pressures recommend taking before measurements. comes in handy when want compare increase across four tires. is quick dirty method verify tight loose handling condition. any good note also include all setup parameters changed session. highly an area just right down notes items interest track conditions air tempartures session be helpful. go ahead advantage keeping. another way get leg up. example. raced spring weather was really cold. come fall might night like again. records easily back 6 months so had then read remember something important tires stay longer etc.... note-taking data collection key element forms level racing. make own sheets can. keep it organized use advantage. hope helps. 
28644 re practice sessions j block i have made sheets that use every time the car hits track warm up qual everything . obviously lap is recorded plus on my i'm tracking 61 items yes do out and in tire temps it also a good idea to set-downs. your set-up sheet but blank. when you go home fill as sets afterwards. john's racing rule 17 things move half don't know what unless set-down. 
28645 re hoosier comanche's racer67 i am mostly concerned with wear and the tires falling off after 2-3 weeks. do these hoosiers hold up for 6-8 weeks or will we have to buy alot of stay competitive those that tires. thanks input. 
28646 re hoosier comanche's oval olds are the hoosiers radial or bias radials need more camber while a needs less. 
28647 re practice sessions mnmale1972 very good tip. never thought of that but it is true. thanks john 
28648 re practice sessions mnmale1972 well. i race 2 cars one is a figure eight car in the weekly nsacar series and other an enduro 10 or so times summer. tracls. 1 4 semi banked 3 8 banked. don't know what actual degree of banking but it owuld be good thing to find out. stock style really only adjustments can make are springs shocks tires....... just need get more detailed info about tire temps pressures have better starting points for different weather conditions. sometimes my awesome first feature when sun on track then am not sure do second down air temp has cooled considerably. thanks taking time respond. greatly appreciated. mark 
28649 re hoosier comanche's mnmale1972 i honestly did not by many tires last summer. think you need to do a lot more tire car maintenance. rotating flipping moving another corner etc. but if alittle of that is makes the along time. and they are bias like am sure ours can get some split with air pressure. measure mine every week move them where them. 
28650 re hoosier comanche's mnmale1972 i am not sure if they are radial or bias but act like a tire....i can use less camber and get split with air pressure changes unlike most radials 
28651 re practice sessions dirtrunner try stiffer shocks to get the temps up in tires when it's cool. 
28652 re hoosier comanche's dirtrunner here is some talk on them. www.auto-ware.com autoware-bin techarchive.pl noframes read 14281 
28653 3-link or leaf spring dirtrunner i've been running a for 10 yrs i might try leafs. just wanting to hear from those who drove both types. the forward bite is much better with than 3-link. 
28654 the real story j block my bad i track in and out tire pressure only temps. also went back looked at work sheets 75 items. when you go home look laps times what tracked it makes a much better picture. never trust your memory. bottom line ___ most people dont very hard racing. harder racing than they their job. have local friend that really is rocket scientist. asked him why he thought one way monday through friday differently on weekend. once raced like worked won three championships. 
28655 re the real story mnmale1972 you just said exactly what i have been feeling. my fellow racers tell me think to much. then they come and ask how can be faster. was a crew chief before started racing still mentality help people. until recently used give too much info others.....i am done with that.. lol put lot of time effort into but know that more will show results on track. late in life not taught....but love learn. thanks for input john 
28656 re 3-link or leaf spring swaybar i think the more accurate thing is to say that forward bite much easier find with leafs than 3-link. it's there be found but it seems you just have work harder it. there. 
28657 re 3-link or leaf spring gene i have a dirt car that goes both ways because of goofy area rules. the is easier to dial in with 3 link and usually faster. on leafs when track heavy works better but once it dries out better. 
28658 spindles dennis smith i am trying to decide what use have the tall 12in rotor chevelle now but some guys at my track are running pinto any advantage using run a imca type mod on 1 3 mile asphalt track. iv read that roll centre will be lower with spindle also trend is going back for better front geometry. confused. great forum 
28659 re practice sessions ja this might be a stupid question but what is set-down 
28660 re practice sessions 44dwarf my take on set down is after the race don't touch car haul it back to shop and check all dimensions your up sheet . we adjust here there day so you do a see what changed if were good that night theses numbers setting become point for next at track. 44 
28661 re spindles kenneth not knowing anything else about the subject i can say that pintos are lighter so theres less weight. 
28662 re spindles dennis smith thanks kenneth i just do not want to change every thing and spend about 500.00 bucks for little gain but will if it does help that much. 
28663 10-4 j block yes a set down is just recording all the parameters from car back on to blank set-up sheet. you will be shocked what find using this method. other than things moving or sliping specialy cross weight by them selfs might not only one tweaking if have more person your team. 
28664 spinning rear tires dirtrunner i have a question about weight versus gear change. if your the off turns would it be better to add for added traction. or change gears example 633 600 so motor will take longer rev up. friend and was talking this he says say also said go in oppos ite direction 650 because spin slower. thanks. 
28665 re 3-link or leaf spring dirtrunner gene it's the oppos ite here where i race my is better on a heavy track leafs are dry slick track. 
28666 re anti rear brake lock up oldgold coleman makes a metric caliper kit that reduces your piston sizes for less braking on mods.oldgold 
28667 camshaft oldgold which cam 388 chevy mahle flattops 49cc darts 215 chambers 4412 carb 3400 pound streetstock.about 14.0 compression has a speedway in it now and seems flat from 3200 upto 7400 is mechanical tappet any body have thoughts on good one rick 
28668 re spinning rear tires richard 23 it depends on how much the are and good of a driver you are. going to 6.50 would make easier pedal. if your still learning or totally blowing off could go 6.0. issue with that is get tire spin will most likely be harder sometimes taller gear enough take some torque away so don't have drive precise. personally car was great everywhere but loose i rebound out rf shock. didn't work slow down throttle linkage tad. no-go then assuming had power at flagstand learn gentle throttle. 
28669 re camshaft richard 23 what intake and kind of exhaust can you use a ton torque coming off 
28670 re camshaft big bore stay conservative on exhaust duration if your motor is flat in those rpm's. under 260 degrees .050 will keep torque up. like other poster said you need whole package laid out first. too much cam worse than little most cases. 
28671 re camshaft richard 23 i was thinking the same thing. too many people try to run much cam on circle track engines. my best flat tappet engine has a thats 249 .050 both sides. 
28672 re camshaft big bore isky still recommends straight up duration cams for all 2bbl's despite so-called technology advances in cam design. if you send them specs on a 355-400 2bbl chances are their 249 as posted above or 250 .050 108 lc will be the response. don't like excessive exhaust it kills throttle remember there is little air to begin with 4412 motor. they also long rods rules permit. most lm motors 6.125 6.2 rod program. 
28673 re camshaft richard 23 we have been playing with cams in a classes requiring 4412 performer intake unported vortec heads and exhaust manifolds the help of local cam grinder california running couple degrees more duration. 252 on 248 has working pretty well for us. i don't think those are standard lobes though. there is also guy nc that real sharp 2bbl cams. what you need compression cylinder pressure. 
28674 re spinning rear tires racer_dave on dirt or pavement i try to keep the car right at minimum weight if all possible. also change throttle linkage get a better ratio and more feel. that fails gear 6.33 6.00 . don't want lug motor down too much but hate having baby off corners. put pedal smooth it bite go. this is assuming springs shocks are close its power issue not setup issue. extra back might help again agree with checking ratio. 
28675 re spinning rear tires richard 23 what i had to say was about asphalt... don't have a clue dirt except that the corn eat grows in it. 
28676 9 in ford rearend pooh hey guys how can i check to see if my is bent have it out and just wanted before going back with 
28677 re 9 in ford rearend hogracer3d are your axles hard to get out floater 
28678 re 9 in ford rearend pooh axel come out easy and no floter 
28679 re 9 in ford rearend dirtrunner push the axle until bearing is even with flange go up down and left right it should move all 4 ways same distance. i do that mine. 
28680 re camshaft dirtrunner lunati 40136 is what i have in my 406 2 bbl. replacing it this year with the same thing lots of power. cam do yo from speedway 
28681 re spinning rear tires dirtrunner is a clue pavement to get the track lol. i have plenty of power so not worried about gear change. at first race had wrong in car don't ask. was only passed by 6 cars started 2nd. did well much tire spin. that's why thinking change minimum weight. throttle ratio good idea maybe little more weight also. corn thanks for all responses. 
28682 re 9 in ford rearend josh k. the best way i have found is to bolt a set of wheels axle. then down two other just l ying on floor. now up something measure wheel edge. rotate housing while measuring don't allow turn. if measurment changes rotating find high spot and low mark them housing. repeat oppos1te side you know it's bent which direction. str ighten can either make di mond shaped welds area that needs pulled back or heat with torch cool quickly cold r g. hope this helps let me didn't explain well enough. sorry so long. 
28683 re 9 in ford rearend racer_dave i clamp some angle iron across the ends where axles go and measure across. usually want a bit of toe to help bite. pull tube heat up section axle with torch until bright red then lay cold rag on it as cools will towards ie if its toed out front tubes quench shrink forward slow keep measuring. doesn't take that long do. 
28684 re spinning rear tires mnmale1972 i have had this argument with others about gear changes..........but if you are your want a steeper gear.......6.33 to say 6.50 as long motor can handle the rpm's. car on ice in drive or 3rd and step gas it is really easy spin tires. but put low better traction even easier control spins thus control. don't do much dirt racing think adding weight not first thing would try. my track runs 2.73 that steep. everyone said 3.08 too much. y know how it. pull hard of corner more engine braking. am never all way off use lot less brakes 3.08......i pedal feel everything foot.........anyway meant gie 2 cents left dollar good luck 
28685 re 9 in ford rearend 44dwarf www.dwarfcarracing.com tech_info_.htm go down about 1 4 of the way you'll find an article i wrote on shortening a toyota rear its mini type. 44 
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28687 re bbss camber gain alan i race on a 5 8mile 6 bank asphalt track with portcity chassis. should tell------ very little angle uper arms 4+ in left front and between 2 3 the rightfront. 41 4 ride height 2.5 inch drop corners. place board of right thickness under cross member. remove shocks lower chassis till it sits board. now set your camber. 
28688 re now how about connecting it to the a-arms alan i use links of chain on right side 3 .it is much simpler set bar and check for preloard. price right. 
28689 re 9 in ford rearend mnmale1972 does this method work on chevy axle tubes 8.5 gm rear ends 
28690 re spinning rear tires richard 23 yeah i missed the dirtrunner part. good luck. 
28691 re 9 in ford rearend racer_dave yes i suppose i've checked and chev 10 12 bolt housings this way. if you wheels to the axles rotate housing then an axle or wheel is off it can interfere with determining square. once know square do one at a time new bolted on check for bent axles. 
28692 re ford rear end in metric chassis brent if ur looking to do it the cheap way you can take two peices of flat steel and weld a peice small diameter square tubing or roung whatever got between so that trailing arm bolt goes through tubing. done on my street stock works fine never had any trouble. 
28693 re 9 in ford rearend richard 23 this is the way i do it too. put a dial indicator on tire and rotate housing with tires staying still. it's very easy to see how where bent. 
28697 re camshaft richard 23 btw the issue with that cam you have is large split between exhaust and intake duration. should be right around straight up on both lobes a 2bbl. in your case i would even consider running more duration lobe. thats what we been doing. good friend of mine us won championships different 2bbl classes 2008 doing this. cubes think jones will recommend 250 .050 lobes. 
28698 ccw - same but different todd there are so many ways to get the roll percentages wheel loads in corners etc. any general rules that will predict how car be according you came up with setup numbers for example lets say i want more load transfer at rear of car. can go about ways. what difference or do we know if using following 3 methods. 1. raise spring rates and leave center 2. either above desired numbers. am looking discuss differenc reacts. commments 
28699 re ccw - same but different another thing todd i just goofed around with the program and had a 500 spring in lr 275 rr. for seeing how transfer would change. swapped made no other changes wheel load at each rear was almost exactly as before swap. know it cant feel car. is this right 
28700 re camshaft dirtrunner what size is your header tubes 
28701 shhh you are on to a trick j block this is part of john's first law vehicle dynamics the car tries go where wheels pointed. actually it tire contact patchs sometimes patches directed by slip angle and whole axle steers redirecting patches. sum spring rates same cg so restoring moment will be weight transfer see in program however while one case body may rolling up other down but total displacement same. what often happens steer different between displacements. hence handling different. here trick. all we feel seat final results could from or change due transfer. short having data acquisition computer model can used identify eliminate possibilities. when know result as your example then likely geometric. 
28702 re ccw - same but different another thing ted as john stated wheel loads are only part of the equation. while roll couple is and weight transfer theoretical angle with a stiffer lr car will down rr up. now this change cgh some that some. lets say we have made all adjustments so loading perfectly identical between set up raised panhard bar react short answer more than likely not. rear end has steer in it how rolls direction turns. way feels. ok what if use watts linkage completely eliminate then not likely. doesn't affect also front. true camber on front thus amount grip available there. re-adjust to compensate for difference. feel track perfect circle smooth banking does accelerating or deaccelerating. otherwords been looking at just mid turn aspect. any changes mentioned affects entry exit. when making must keep mind other parts corner well. 
28703 re ccw - same but different another thing todd i am not ignoring these posts. actually tyring to think of ways respond. have some ideas working through. be back shortly. thanks. 
28704 re camshaft big bore 250 .050 in many front running 2bbl sportsman llm class engines. jones dad i believe built offy indy engines back the 70's. mike has a ton of cam knowledge. 
28705 re ccw - same but different another thing todd i udnerstand the car will go where contact patches are present. am not real sure about slip angles though. you guys mention that weight distribution referenced in software is only at middle of corner. uderstand this as well. right thinking...when makeing changes effect transfer and ways to acheive wheel loads...when deciding which method utilize should worry more how it affect he entry corner.... would seem like logical place start. prior example could have used 500 spring lr or rr get almost load if on with 275 fall over quickly onto rr. take long for much. even though end result rate speed happens 
28706 re camshaft richard 23 yep thats the guy. 
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28708 crate motor flexplate and manifolds joe just bought a new 602 was wondering what are the best exhausts to use on it. thanks.. 
28709 just stopped by to say hell-o ray baker hi guys and a big merry christmas from everyone here at danny crump jr. racing. it looks as if the board is still doing great job good knowledge being passed on. anyway take care have season next year we return short tracks again. media co. 
28710 re just stopped by to say hell-o mnmale1972 thanks for the good wishes and back at ya ray mark 
28711 re crate motor flexplate and manifolds 97bubba headers the liteweight one for a piece seal motor. if you have to run cast will find that ones fron vortec headed trucks work as any other. with head ports on older don't line up right partially block off flow. dave 
28712 re crate motor flexplate and manifolds joe thanks dave..ya we have to run maifolds...so are u saying like off of a 97 or 98 chev instead 95 96 
28713 re crate motor flexplate and manifolds 97bubba i really don't know what years just that you need them off of a vortec headed engine the truck seem to be best. good luck with it. they arrived at hp torque 's headers. these engines were designed used headers 650 carb. not sure how well it will do as choke down some. last forever if keep rpm arour 6000-6200. we have several our track 3+ seasons on are still going strong. stronger 2nd year by much but watch says so. lol could drivers crew found something in car more one case he was champion before. his 5th season freshen this winter. has no plans freshening talked him. wasn't an old school guy built my own for alot years. would way went. cost me less than power runs then fine. had builder been 3 times gone also. dave 
28714 re crate motor flexplate and manifolds joe ya spent more then a on mine last year freshning new rods only to blow up near the end of year...lol..figure time try out get 2 or 3 years it anything else... 
28715 locked rear jim next year the track is going to allow rears. metric car on pavement what best choice and set up am i need stagger etc. 
28716 re locked rear 97bubba if you are not spinning the tire coming off corner why switch really wont gain anything. stagger is much of an issue with open rear. a big and can make or break setup. i didn't need spool to get would have left it open. dave how banking what kind suspension will also change do springs angles ect. 
28717 mark ortiz --j block dirtrunner is it true he was in a accident year ago i did search and that's what said. 
28718 re locked rear richard 23 i agree here. if you don't have a problem getting bite off then leave it alone. can spin tire would likely benefit from locking up. just lock up or your run locker as stated by bubba when stagger is extremely important. go tight to loose with 1 4 . 
28719 re locked rear rich walling if you are running a street stock type with narrow hard tires i would try limited slip type. seems all the fast guys in late model around my neck of woods use detroit locker. 
28720 re crate motor flexplate and manifolds guest now watch the open motors pull you off tight turns. lol 
28721 re locked rear critter it seems that a lock would create havoc on your axle pavement. am i wrong ron 
28722 re crate motor flexplate and manifolds rich walling most of the tracks around here allow stuff like more left side less total weight bigger spoiler l track width cambered rears bert type transmissions for 604 crates in their late models. there is a guy over with that setup had his figured out rolled through corner so fast he didn't need all hp to get off. hit limiter few cars before ford crate. area are very competitive some won championships features. 
28723 re mark ortiz --j block j yes he was. talking email actually with him last week said continues to recover but not back a before state yet. 
28724 re locked rear richard 23 it doesn't create havoc it's just that the car are very sensetive to stagger changes. 
28725 re ccw - same but different another thing ted i think in general the stiffer spring quicker response. this is point where shocks come into play. a soft shock stiff can be made to react as through initial transfer. and not just rear shocks. front influence rate of roll well rear. 
28726 re ccw - same but different another thing todd so if the stiffer spring is on rr it will load quicker and at time keep body from rolling over as quickly because up instead of down sound right now i just need use rear geometry to see what steer doing. 
28727 re locked rear critter if you're running any stagger to amount anything one tire will be spinning no traction while the other is biting just going down straights. it seems would trying twist your axles. am i thinking wrong ron 
28728 re locked rear 97bubba and we all know how consistant the tire sizes are. dave 
28729 re locked rear 97bubba yes and no lol it just is always trying to drive the car middle. will kinda look like dog tracking from rear. at our track corners are really longer than straight by about 50'. most short tracks if you think arc out in middle of then back in. turning time. dave 
28730 re locked rear richard 23 exactly there is very little time spent going perfectly straight on the average short track. when you do car stable just have to hold wheel so goes straight. i ran same end with stock t-bird axles and a spool in street asphalt for several years never twisted splines or broke an axle wasn't wrecked. that was less 400 hp though. 
28731 re locked rear critter now that you've said i can see it. race on dirt with a where there isn't concern axle twist so much. thanks ron 
28732 re locked rear 97bubba the 8 uses a spool in everything. hard to find much faster than that lol you are right though most of them all running some sort locker be it gold trac black or detroit. dave 
28733 re ccw - same but different another thing ted in general yes. remember that the amount of roll does not change theory if all you are doing is swapping rear springs. so while rr going down as much left up more. now one to keep mind this for a smooth and flat track. lets add banking equation. stiffer lr tighten car or loosen mid turn it depends. can do both depending on banking. there point where side will neither extend compress. at could from 200 lbs spring 2000 see no turn. below angle typically around 12-14 degrees above biggest realize matter what make odds affect more than just area targeting. trick understand those effects might be they good bad degree be. then with least overal effect. i am guessing your question running dirt loading something we want asphalt. my experiance basically it's happens yard when don't water it. 
28734 re locked rear jim fairly flat track 7in hoosiers stock 4 link and metric 
28735 re ccw - same but different another thing dirtrunner we don't load the rr on lawnmower for yard either lol. 
28736 re locked rear lm15 do you have a need to lock up your rearend are fighting wheelspin with an open i know of several race winning cars around here that running rearends by choice. if decide it cheapest easiest method is going be welding the spider gears. in our hobby stock we ran mini-spool which another option. can find one there 8.5 for g-body. they came grand nationals and 442's. little spendy 700- 1500 but much stronger than 7.5 . ours was direct bolt-in. metric stocks eat rears like crazy. as far stagger goes really depends on track. 62 wide car you'll usually 2 3 2-3 4 at circle 8mi 2-1 paperclip 1 4mi. first time buy tires make sure you're giving yourself good selection so test. 
28737 re ccw - same but different another thing todd no i run on asphalt. am not really wanting to load the rr. senior was just a completely hypothetical example using extreme differences in springs. appreciate all feedback and will keep learning. 
28738 re ccw - same but different another thing todd that was supposed to say senario not senior...oops 
28739 re locked rear hogracer3d 2-3 inched on pavement that is twice as much we run dirt 
28740 re locked rear 97bubba 2 3 4 - is the norm for me. you have to remember that dragging a tire on dirt doesn't same effect as it does asphalt. some of super late model drivers i know run -5 in at certain tracks. all depends what banking how tight corners are ect. modified and 1 front with rt side tires close size can find. way swap them get one more nite from them. seems take abuse. lol dave 
28741 re crate motor flexplate and manifolds 97bubba rich he is using the 602 you know iron headed street stock one with vortec heads. not 604 asa aluminum fast burn just wondering what going to happen now that of tracks down your way has changed rules regarding crates. they make these save money i really love statement. wish had a dollar for eveytime heard it. as was prying my wallet out on lefthander comply changes. lol dave 
28742 flywheel id help stroker1 i've got a in the shop i cant seem to id.it. it is gm 153t internally balanced and has number of 3963540. tried research find anything. thought was for 1 piece lt1. any ideas 
28743 re crate motor flexplate and manifolds rich walling i don't think those rules are etched in stone. it's a long time 'til opening day there quite few teams that politicking to go the asatouring rules. i'm fan of crate. these economic times it would seem track owners want as many cars possible. do believe ace with 2bbl has more possibilities how ever. like said before is almost zero maintenance engines we ran fast most super lates our limited. 
28744 re crate motor flexplate and manifolds joe do u need to check the valves on a brand new 602 rich or is it ready go 
28745 re locked rear hogracer3d we used to run 9 at ventura on the sprint car but i never thought you would much if any pavement 
28746 re locked rear lm15 we tried running about an inch of stagger in the late model with a detroit locker ratchet on 10 bank 1 4mi paperclip track. i couldn't get car to rotate off corner at all. as soon touched gas it got tight until spun tires then snapped loose. only change found that seemed help was lots roll steer but made bad entry. went back 2.25 and able behave smooth predictably through whole corner. when ran asa radials had 1.5 stagger. i-70 iowa speedway milwaukee mile. does hoosier provide more for smaller tracks class 
28747 re check out new s te..starvingracers.com josh k. was wondering if any of you guys have joined yet i know that there has to be a few low dollar looking for some help. this te is not gimmick my friend dan in the above post recieved sure lock shifter his sprint car about week and half ago now only required 350 points get. we are already up 2100 trying decide what he gonn next. no money service's totally free. it your self. www.starvingracers.com p.s. am war board been on here several years got permission from john would something phoney sp lol just help get word them. 
28748 re denso alternator oe app allen nielson the that is in question came off of a toyota fork lift you can cross it over to lester 12180 also shows up as 100211-1660 or 1661 1662 suffix. another number showing reference 27060-78001 well 3049491. find them on google search e-bay. good luck 
28749 re check out new s te..starvingracers.com rich walling my old pappy used to say nuttins free. 
28750 re locked rear jim yes always wheel spin 
28751 re locked rear jim we can get 3in of stagger 
28752 re denso alternator oe app swaybar thank you 
28753 pri show j block i went to the did anybody else go 
28754 re pri show swaybar i was there. first time for me. great show. our car on display at the american speed association booth. 
28755 torque converter mnmale1972 curious about stall sped opinions. it is my opinion that a low speed will allow for less slippage and more engine braking..... what your opinions are you use as rule cars. mark 
28756 re torque converter critter i asked just about the same question a year or so back and didn't get any responses. my opinion is this low stall gives you trans braking engages at lower rpm. rpm may cause your motor to bog down some on corner exit. with higher sacrifice but it which be less prone bogging never tried speculation. i'm interested in more knowledgable opinions. ron 
28757 re flywheel id help dirtinla oem pt 1 3986394 for manual transmission all 400 ci small blocks use with 11 clutch starter ring o.d. 14 3963540 
28758 re flywheel id help dirtinla oem pt 1 3986394 for manual transmission all 400 ci small blocks use with 11 clutch starter ring o.d. 14 3963540 
28759 re flywheel id help dirtinla 3963540 is the off ring this an externally balanced pulled net chevy small block interchange manual google up - fred 
28760 re torque converter 97bubba when we raced street stocks with the auto trans only rule i had a custom convertor made very low stall and it would lock up for most part at that rpm. these guys were smart knew their stuff. kinda thought same way as ron did until talked to them. they put was what rpm do you leave corner is anywhere near speed of your using now my answer no both. left 3500-4000 depending on traffic. if engine band starts close exit then could have direct drive not bog realisticly now. think sprint cars or powerglides. there slippage so ever in either be like having shaft bolted crank flange also manual transmissions. picked 2 tenths due lighter smaller fluid temp went down 30 degrees. rule. call midwest convertors ask fred. are rockford illinois. don't off hand web. google should get there. lol dave 
28761 re locked rear 97bubba word of advice buy you left side tires early cause the carcasses seem to get bigger as year goes on. 3 should be plenty most metrics around here with rears run 2 1 -3 in rear. start 3' and work down correct loose off. that was way we did it. will find spring changes cross weight adjustments probably needed. also bar ect change. if have practice days i would suggest utilize them. lol not trying scare or anything just passing along some valuable lessons learned from my mistakes. first sportsman class helping a buddy out. didn't all our lefts stagger needed later were stretching tires. know 50 psi sit sun for couple days. it kinda worked real sure how good is tire though these goodyears. hoosiers grow experience ones use shrink after heat cycles yes usually 4 on 8 rights. they very consistant size marked sticker. one 84 about 85 race pressure rt . measure them 20 s pretty much stated any other questions feel free ask let what has been bad. dave 
28762 re flywheel id help stroker1 thanks for the 
28763 re pri show j block wow i should have posted before the so we could meet. what was coolest thing you saw there 
28764 re torque converter critter i guess it really depends on what kind of horsepower you're making final drive you have and your driving style. typical pure street or stock rules limit to the can make. in my old car with working started out a 6.88 drive. came off corner plenty rpm's some wheel spin but was all about mid straight. switched 5.75 tended bog little when tires bit built speed way down this improved lap times. if higher stall could keep from bogging would be even better. please comment ron 
28765 re pri show swaybar very hard to answer that. the purple turbo nova was nice. cnc machines were cool. i enjoyed being able spend some time going over new port city chassis on display at bhr booth. what about you 
28766 re just stopped by to say hell-o lucifer hey ray its good hear from you guys. i was looking for the crump websight a long while back and it gone. how is everyone doing last heard danny jr. said sr. ill. never outcome but hope he got better. there aren't many of us left old board we still lurk around. some with different screen names. it's been pretty mellow on not really any flamers anymore so don't be stranger. know that's why guys bailed out. btw do have contact info powerslide wanting get hold him. fun proposition him when comes out west. if can please pass my email ask drop me note. take care happy holidays... aka lou war gamachedotracingatverizondotnet replace dot at symbols 
28767 re torque converter 97bubba more stall heat shorter trans life. i can run a 50 lap race with the direct drive powerglide and practically wash my hands fluid. not exactly true but temp is minimal due to virtually no slippage because of convertor. only when you start move car whith ball valve. once valve all way closed it locked up hence name drive. built fluid friction loss pressure from what whole assembly turning. if remember in first post stated that your band needed close exit rpm. dropped final far an speculating below too this caused bogging. shorten duration cam or possibly advance couple degrees might be right where need it. acceleration horsepower takes over drops off. like build engines yank stumps out finishline after level off some. faster corner b accelerates finshline who wins every time acellerating longer brake corner. think about lol dave 
28768 re torque converter lucifer critter you got it right. lower stall is what us circle racers typically use. the higher doesn't allow compression breaking. i know most that run bomber stock type classes larger 11 converters just for this reason. even though there more weight works better. can buy small housing 10 racing are tuned low but they fairly high dollar. generally when go down in diameter increase speed unless modified inside. 
28769 re torque converter mnmale1972 you confirmed what my thoughts were. nice to hear it from some one elses mind. i agree and have always run a stock stall but am thinking about looking for lower stall. thanks your opinions 
28770 flywheel inspection cover mnmale1972 anybody know if a th350 will fit on powerglide or are they different 
28771 re check out new s te..starvingracers.com josh k. don't believe me go see for your self www.starvingracers.com look in there forum at what did starving racers do me. pages and of people that have already recieved free items nothing but about a 1 2-1 hr each day is all needed. 
28772 re flywheel inspection cover burt brown the powerglide is different then a 350th and 400th. 
28773 re torque converter burt brown when it comes to converters for circle track the performance gain would be using smallest diameter you can get with about 2000 stall. smaller less rotating mass inertia quicker engine spins up and slows down. i think ptc or coan may have a 7 8 inch real converter. they are little pricy but putting alot of work make small into low key is reducing spinning on back engine. this why direct drive powerglides were used not mention light weight hollow being drive. was building no revealing valves hoses levers operated just like stock powerglide use call them cheating transmissions at several race tracks. whined so much had these listed in rules mentioning my name tried outlaw certion tracks run add car one. 
28774 re torque converter 97bubba midwest convertors the convertor they made for me was a 10 and spooled up around 1900. it 15 approx less than stock convertor. i think 350.00. worth every penny. dave 
28775 re torque converter critter isn't a stock about 1400 stall where did i hear that thanks ron 
28776 re torque converter rich walling i believe that a converters stall speed is proportional to the amount of applied it. an 11 coupled 502 inch monster will have higher one attached 300 engine. 
28777 re torque converter burt brown that is correct. the more low end an engine has stall speed you will get with same converter. 
28778 top a-arm mounts guest 1 was just wondering what the correct way to mount perch's 4 mile asphalt metric car rules say must use stock parts but can be relocated from a view do you them parallel centerline of or at angle for caster gain. and whats best front clip that has end geometry without moving any thing 
28779 re flywheel inspection cover mnmale1972 thanks burt 
28780 upper ears on ford rear end joe having trouble getting the proper angle mounting mounts a to fit metric chassis...bought kit made jig off of but are bit when i put it in car...are u better have car and then tack place first thanks.. 
28781 re upper ears on ford rear end bap33 pretty much need to mock a rearend in at ride hights with correct pinion angle and located left right before you put any type of welded fixed hook-up point the housing even chassis side times. that has been my experience. leaf spring pads are exception. can be indexed off banjo flange. good luck. 
28782 re flywheel inspection cover burt brown i have seen covers for powerglide in a j.c. whitney catalog before. 
28783 re flywheel inspection cover mnmale1972 didn't think of looking there but i found one ebay......need to paint it up and get rusty old ofund one.... our officials like shiny parts........lol so dirty parts...lol 
28784 re flywheel inspection cover burt brown i think the ones j.c. whitney had were chrome. 
28785 re torque converter burt brown as far stall rateing this is why you will see a advertised like the i have it's rated 3800 to 4200 most of time means in small block if big application. not all but blocks longer stroke crank which gives more leverage over spinning center line thus low end torque. think it 3 8 drive speed wrench one handle from and other 6 line. would loosen bolt or nut easier 
28786 re upper ears on ford rear end racer_dave like bap said. get the all blocked in at ride height centered and pinion angle set then fit mounts to tack them place. make sure lower trailing arms are right too. finish weld when its perfect. rears a lot bigger so don't up with too much angle. 
28787 re top a-arm mounts old man i asked the same thing before and never got a response am sure interested to see what everyones thoughts are though good luck 
28788 re top a-arm mounts ss monte 71 ill post a response just to get people talking.. lol..in my eyes the 1970's camaro nova is by far best in stock form although ive seen some fast 68-72 and 73-77chevelles at track.anyone else got thoughts 
28789 re top a-arm mounts fstock im really interested in the mounting square or angle 
28790 re top a-arm mounts racer_dave my buddy is building a metric street stock and his rules are the same so he's... cut loose upper turned them they more parrellel to centerline of car moved left side out right in as well. he's also cutting modifying a-frames get some angle ball joint mounting area lengthening shortening right. using astro spindles. he swapped center link too but i'm not sure what it with. 
28791 re top a-arm mounts richard 23 if you mount them straight will have caster loss under bump as compared to mounting angled like stock. it were me i would for this reason. however is far more important the right laterally height and fore aft location roll center purposes. 
28792 re top a-arm mounts fstock i thought if you mount them papallel to the centerline this would get rid of caster loss problem 
28793 re top a-arm mounts gwilliams i had this done on a metric chassis of mine by latemodel racer who actually cut the stock mount off took lower and ran steel rod thru mounting brackets. than angle finder set upper holes same grinding frame to match botom control arm it seemed get caster camber issue corrected 
28794 re top a-arm mounts richard 23 check the caster at ride height then it under 2 inches of bump. this will answer your question. 
28795 re top a-arm mounts pacecar23 if i remember from 15 years ago a mounting angle of 10 degrees produced minimum caster change. 
28796 re top a-arm mounts did i mess up jim last year got johns program and cut off lowered both sides of the upper to get more angle in control arms according numbers put it had said do it. kept angles same as keep stock looking.i think was able lower them 7 8in. dont know if this problem but car hasnt been good since. metric pavement. 
28797 re top a-arm mounts did i mess up swaybar jim was the car decent before you made roll center change generally can't make a significant like that without making another to compliment it. for example may have lowered significantly. main reason doing would be allow use of softer front springs. if kept same springs in explain part problem. also had completely off really need take close look at your caster camber and bump steer after put them back on. good luck 
28798 re top a-arm mounts did i mess up dirtrunner how was the car before you made change 
28799 re top a-arm mounts did i mess up ted swaybar brings an excellent point. if all that was changed the then odds are something else needs to be take advantage of new geometry. key is understand what effect changing geometry should have on car. once changes made front gone through again as indicated check bump steer caster and camber change etc. now far angle uppers not only does it affect gain loss but also anti-dive. this may much car for tracks don't use braking those do watched could a dramatic entry. just because upppers parallel center level mean there isn't anti dive. matters where lowers mounted. typically stock clip doesn't eliminate it. having necessarily bad thing. can allow softer springs with out bottoming chassis remember spring or rc cgh shocks make get around track fastest. it's how they interact. idea everything complements each other. 9 times 10 1 thing such doing will better. unless you your make. everyone same happy holiday year 
28800 re top a-arm mounts did i mess up jim in 2007 this car won 2 races and was third the final points. year with same set 650rf 550lf no wins ninth place. near end of went to 1100rf 900lf try fix it. it a little better. all heard whats wrong checked wheelbase rear could not find anything wrong. so comes down only change from 07 08 mounts.with cross weight as last tight loose off. 
28801 re top a-arm mounts did i mess up swaybar by raising the roll center you allowed suspention geometry to control some of thus taking that duty off springs. if springs were kept same would expect car be tighter than before. know doesn't jive with what felt stiffer but it's just makes sense me. may have done those really stiff is basically caused suspension not work much at all. it feel better initially there speed gained somewhere in finding correct package new center. also after changing definately need check static caster and gain. take movement get out whack cause are feeling. 
28802 re top a-arm mounts did i mess up guest 1 thanks for all the feedback guys but im still not sure which way is correct to mount perchs parrell or stock angle 
28803 crate motor joe when u buy a new 602 from gm should check the valves or do they come ready to go... thanks 
28804 leaf or 3 link which is faster and why nm pooh 
28805 re leaf or 3 link which is faster and why racer_dave we need to know a lot more answer. what type car track rules etc... 
28806 re leaf or 3 link which is faster and why pooh can run sliders but no floating parts on rearend must be clamp biscut in rear with brake shock. leafs are mono coil over.5inch spring 
28807 re top a-arm mounts did i mess up oval olds i'd have a look at bump steer toe change as the suspension goes and down is moving upper arm going to things alot. 
28808 balancers lawnboy hello any suggestions on harmonic i am using stockchevy steel crank and rods 12 to 1 pistons thought the stock 6 inch balancer would be ok but now told wrong what do of you think . thank you. 
28809 re balancers richard 23 if your not going to run an ati 8 balancer. 
28810 re balancers swaybar ati as a first choice powerbond second choice. 
28811 re just stopped by to say hell-o ray well how are you doing lou. man it has been a long time. yes senior about died and he is better. junior worked on hooters team was driver also 2 sprint cup teams. gave up raise his son as single parent. we all think did the right thing here. i am back because going run short tracks again next year. powerslide got call but semi retired. so do not know exactly what do. economics in picture anyway some big things once being arranged money key.i will tell sr. jr. asked them best regards your way. stay touch. baker media cord. 
28812 re balancers rich walling i used a stock one off chev v6. had the ridge machined off. it worked like charm. 2 timing marks so you to make sure correct time engine. 
28813 re balancers 97bubba it depends on how man rpm you are going to rev this to. i have had pretty good luck with the stock replacement application 67 z28 camaro 302 proform 6 3 4 upto 7000. not any timing issues or slippage yet. replace every year 65.00 it's cheap insurance. more and would look at of solid balancers. lighter better as long is in weight duty. lol dave 
28814 re balancers 97bubba the balancer is a pioneer product not proform. available at most good auto parts retailers. had to go look after i posted. have cover that it still new in box. lol dave 
28815 re balancers lawnboy thank you all.happy new year. 
28816 re leaf or 3 link which is faster and why hogracer3d i would take the 3-link more adjustments 
28817 re top a-arm mounts dave42 one of your questions was what is the better chassi. i hear a lot comments about camero clip as far can tell only advantage to that frame rails are strait so it easy connect tube me front suspension looks just like 77 and up impala or 73-77 monticarlo but has more stock engine setback. if you cannot move motor form its location say monti. then does have metric chassi lighter needs stuff cut off relocated. stuck with shorter control arms. put wide kit on 60s parts sound easier less work truly do guys think 
28818 re top a-arm mounts richard 23 i would go with the 70-81 camaro first 68-72 chevelle second and 73-77 monte 3rd. if you can move upper lower it doesn't really matter. 
28819 re leaf or 3 link which is faster and why pooh any good starting points for a link. ideas first time in 
28820 re leaf or 3 link which is faster and why richard 23 dirt asphalt what kind of car how much hp 
28821 re leaf or 3 link which is faster and why pooh dirt 500hp maybe barrywright chassis 
28822 re top a-arm mounts did i mess up rick53 from what have read in books for years is that on a metric you want the stock angle upper control arm mounts. am also this process of changing mount locations. moved both sides as far down could leaving front 3 4 higher than back meaning rear bushing only 1 8 off frame. get them low can camber curve just important anything. question now at 2 bump should my caster be same static settings or they create positive negative caster. sounds like alot guys are trying different locations lets see whats works year. 
28823 roll centers circlejerker 1 4 mile asphalt flat track tight turns 3000pd metric. whats a good starting center height 2 or and offset 0 inch to driver side pass . does really play big part in front end geometry just worry about not thanks advance 
28824 richmond tranny oil hogracer3d new 2-speed 80-90w or atf. says use of course 
28825 re richmond tranny oil racer_dave i always break in with 80-90 mineral based change it after and run for another few weeks. that drain synthetic gear lube. do this all my rears locked or spools tranny's. never have any issues at wear. 
28826 re roll centers fstock i think 2inch for high banks 4 inch low bank dont believe offset is that important but as close to center possible 
28827 re roll centers richard 23 if i remember right you migrate the center to also need stiffer springs. left and softer 
28828 re roll centers dirtrunner how's your camber curve 
28829 re roll centers circlejerker its good just getting some feedback from the board on center heights kind of interested in rear also 
28830 crank ed does anyone know any thing about the hawk 4340 stroker racing cranks they are selling on ebay out of california. 
28831 re leaf or 3 link which is faster and why dirtrunner i asked a similar question few weeks back. it sounds like forward bite easier to find with springs than 3-link. you just need work harder 3-link the bite. drive you're on asphalt. i've had for ten years. at my track cars are great couple of ago found out how they setting up leafs. some have upper pull bars don't. ones that them say makes big diference. slider rr shackle lr.the lr clamped solid can be made spin free not so wrap only coming from lr. do this when dry slick. 
28832 it's a harmonic damper big difference scott i'm suprised no one seems to think this is important it has balancing function on that particular engine . crankshafts get harmonics twisting and torsional forces 5k or so bad v8 rpm i believe the rubber ring between hub outer allows crank dump off some of vide shock absorber for want better term vibration eats power along with parts aftermarket special designs employ different techniques have fluid others balls in them make rattling sound if understand correctly found refrence inside aircraft cranks dampen thing do not run long at critical whee just naturally gets ringing someting about second third orders must something like tire imbalance shakes 35 then smooths out 55 again only more forcefully bet will smooth after guys figured science blow my mind they did 80 years ago give take 
28833 leafs are faster scott i've been watching it for years . unlimited outlaw figure eight cars from indy they have leaf since i can remember and routinely beat the guys with birdcage brakes links more adjustments then you a computer now days pretty much any design front end dream up patch togeather as many heims want rears combo of coilovers wide fives quick changes late model race jessie james shows to get buttkickin far goes is stuff 
28834 re it's a harmonic damper big difference richard 23 same thing could be said about people saying that the fast racecars have motors. motors are electrically propelled engines what we all use. know is meant though. 
28835 really people call a damper balancer scott and we all know what is meant i'm of the opinion here aren't aware thing does . one for sure it doesen't do balance damnthing if everyone knows else means i got feeling misinformed they are satisfied to part wrong name not response discussed reason importance or there different designs 
28836 re really people call a damper balancer rich walling hey scott good to see you're back. if they don't balance try putting 350 hb on 400 or vice versy. 
28837 re it's a harmonic damper big difference rich walling as i have learned maybe i'm wrong one of the ways crankshaft breakage is reduced with vibration balancer beacause firing order causes crank to twist few thousanth and back in between firings. when number fires may seem rigid but coupled 3000 lb car there slight twist. 8 then untwists so on. this harmonics that scott talking about. what does soak up some these or vibrations allows not shake itself death. because daily drivers run at different speeds from idle 4000 it exaserbates word situation. race cars 5000 7500 don't realy need much dampening. had friend took off outer ring on his late model lower engine miss rack pinion. he never lost crank. know if was luck did work. think would build an motor like now light weight parts really pulling engines. 1953 buicks v8s no damper. my 56 buick has drilled help balance engine. could be wouldn't first time. 
28838 i'm being too pricky scott about it picky i mean . if you haven't seen check out valve float on youtube man is amazing 
28839 re leaf or 3 link which is faster and why speed racer what kind of setups your running on i just got mine was wondering where to start have some ideas but others are doing my 3100 1 4 dirt track flat 
28840 re leaf or 3 link which is faster and why dirtrunner the track i run was 12 22 5 degrees banking three tracks. springs 1150lf 1050rf 225rr 250lr rear spring on axle panhard bar left side of pig to chassis. rr trailing arm mounted lower chassis than lr about 1 inch higher arms 15 inchs long. upper pull has difference in height think around 26 from ground mount. besides my driving style biggest improvement i've done car take out steer. front clip metric. what ideals do yo have 
28841 rockingham dave did anyone run there street stock at this new years over 70 cars showed up must of been a great race 
28842 re leaf or 3 link which is faster and why speed racer well my ideas 100lf 1250rf 250lr 225rr not sure on the bars yet i have a rubber biscut top with red biscuts. only reason runing because features 25 laps stiffer spring will build heat 54 l c rear. 125-150 bite. if you lower bar left rear it plant that tire more. go up help turn little better. ass backwards right side. 
28843 re leaf or 3 link which is faster and why dirtrunner i tried the lr trailing arm at highest hole on chassis made it worse. more rear steer took out better got. run street tires rules what do you 
28844 re leaf or 3 link which is faster and why speed racer i help a few late model teams out. we always move the lower left arms for more bite. them down hole. not sure your act different really dont like moving arm up. if going to any up it should be right side in corner loose then 1 helps tighten in. rule of thumb adjust enter exiting might ass backwards because only run top cant seem get that win but this year looking pretty good already 
28845 re leaf or 3 link which is faster and why dirtrunner entrance great not loose. just a little loose out of the turns lowering front lr arm helped it takes rear steer. 
28846 ain't heard a word kimmel is down scott the street and chuck barnes across town . how much you wanna bet won hello they even got me thinking about riding around with my foot floored until something breaks way rule go it would appear to be pretty tough trick get advantage gear engine specs billboard top official boards have bought from c-line engineering guess who was instrumental in gettin frank going back day one hell of guy he worked his butt off where i think make heck crew chief nascar probably still hands on can build own stuff do right brother both kids coming along skills too 
28847 re leaf or 3 link which is faster and why speed racer you could stiffen the lr take spring out of right rear but i would put more in rf first. what kind stagger 
28848 re ain't heard a word kimmel is down racer_dave i was about 3 years behind frank in school. remember him running charleston and the 'drome both lousiville too. used to live not too far from his new shop. off blackiston mill rd. do they still have parts store that across form old clarksville drive i've thought building car for these shows but can't run it anywhere else so its really feasible cost wise. big vertical air dam has got just kill cars at end on straights. what were lap times kentucky bristol average speed 
28849 brake rotors - which one todd we race a pro stock division. the car is full sized 3000lb metric frame camaro clip. on tight 1 4 where you use alot of brake. has howe cast spindles with an impala style pin. it currently oem rotor hub 5 x spacing. weigh 28 lbs each. i was going to swap out and put alumimum hubs but they won't work spindle pin spindles. would have change stuff money save weight. anybody know that will some weight off front end still fit my application. 11 7 8 diameter. thick. uses gm single piston caliper. thanks. 
28850 re leaf or 3 link which is faster and why dirtrunner stagger about 1 4 i thought putting more spring in it just didn't want the push. 
28851 re brake rotors - which one gary62 try a coleman hub for impala pin 
28852 re ain't heard a word kimmel is down louielouie i was at the race as spectator. 51 barnes 00 hudson were class of field. led most 1st half 2nd half. did win after broke near end but pulling away anyway. sat start finish line noticed during victory burnout rev limiter seemed to be working first then didn't car wouldn't even spin tires maybe he had some kind bypass switch or something surely use that top five cars turning more rpm's rest it pretty noticeable us in stands. like idea this don't want make my obsolete either locally sure can't afford high dollar motors. just .02 worth. 
28853 re brake rotors - which one todd yes i have seen those. am trying not to spend that much money on it. if was some would upgrade the spindles coleman modular alluminum hubs and new rotors. appreciate feedback though. anybody else got ideas stock type hub rotor comobos fit my application....and it saves weight is even better thanks. 
28854 change spring rate - calculate travle difference todd am i thinking correctly on this if have a 1000 lbs it should take of load to compress 1 is correct so 500 2 with the same above are hypothetical numbers. what trying figure out how much more front end travel will when go softer springs thanks. 
28855 ford rearend 7.5 inch chuck i want to flip this and run it upsidedown. has anyone done what are the cons. also know will be running backwards but that is reason for flip. thanks chuck. 
28856 re change spring rate - calculate travle differen rich walling it depends on the wheel rate. there a calculations that must be made first to figure out. but then are bumps will also affect theoretical compression of spring. if you serious about racing would good idea get computer program like computerized chassis weights. other wise into math steve smith's book. i had an experiance this summer when we went lighter right rear and decreased left front with being done increased camber gain front. my thinking was body roll in do these changes. could talk wife buying john's data acqusition academic. 
28857 re change spring rate - calculate travle differen todd thanks rich. i do have the ccw program. also know wheel will affect compression of when it is installed in car. was just making sure right on how much takes to compress one another. thanks. 
28858 re ford rearend 7.5 inch oval olds should be ok to do i'm pretty sure when gm puts a 8.5 in the front of 4wd they just flip it rather than making reverse rotation gear set. some considerations vent moved top will likely need different fill plug location get fluid level correct. proper set rear at normal look passage towards pinion bearing and judge where oil be. then make that passsage sees same or possibly higher. what are you 
28859 re change spring rate - calculate travle differen oval olds yep correct. this is the way a 250 lb stock can work where 1000 race sits. per inch add more inches then multiply rate. 
28863 re change spring rate - calculate travle differen todd i am not sure what going to try yet. just getting formulating some ideas and measuring stuff on the front end. 
28864 i grew up on applegate lane scott old man kimmel just shut the shop and is renting . lived gutford left of blackstonmill second house right after going to military not only do they run a dam but rev chip 5000 rpm gear mean what's engine restricted 2 bbl holley 406 if you can't get that pull 5k don't know it seems weird talked dale puckett he said were around 130 tops at ky chuck barnes won...again odd scales out order hear all hearsay even though somehow discerned chucks car had too much side weight didn't matter cause inaccurate....so why weigh them also has some magic rearend with two speeds this sounds like poppycock me apparently rumor his top was correct special diff gave him unbridled power lol who knows bs bet having son doing shocks for petty enterprises hurt none insinuate work everythng got 
28865 quite a few were disqualified scott rick erwin had chip that ran 5400 mr. duh alan huddleston don't know they have to be set so he's cranking 55 or guy i drove for larry lathan ws doing pretty well guess and got tossed . when some names came up in the top spots was suprised think he said there 7 dq's 
28866 spring rate and wheel are different scott i'm not so sure it is a lineiar deal . there motion ratio involved i don't know just food for discussion 
28867 steering not straight chris i have just rebuilt my on street stock 86 monte carlo. race it 1 3 banked asphalt. does look right. the center link is centered engine cradle. its gap 4 inch bigger right side as you stand in front and at it. car has been banged up a few times was actually racing last year with bent pitman arm box shaft. all did adjust tie rods made sure they were straight. this matter can make perfect due to slight bend frame. 
28868 re change spring rate - calculate travle differen rich walling i learned this and after many years thank jb for making it more simple. the car will go where wheels are pointed. tires that have most weight generally traction. slip angles of affect wheel angles. some times shock changes rear steer camber caster bump than roll couple distribution. think if we follow these rules figuring out how to set up your my be a little simpliar. you also entry mid turn exit in thst order because angle one other. always wanted good without upsetting entry. is why data aqusition so important. didn't realize much affected until got rsg from a-w attended few john's webinars. back 60's stock cars had box springs front gain wasn't problem. learn don't know. hope am not missinformed. 
28869 re change spring rate - calculate travle differen todd rich- that is good information. i too am learning the car goes where tires are pointed or a combination of and slip angles associated with those tires. have been doing lots reading came across an old webpage jb's helped me understand little better. from what end more weight transfer will create bigger on car. these larger cause tire to fight asphalt in turn trying grip. so if front car's greater than rear be turning left but actually heading direction not only rather some angle between angle. think getting this right. also understanding roll center's affect better now too. program really helps visualize processes. 
28870 re change spring rate - calculate travle differen dirtrunner where the contact patch of tire is pointed. 
28871 re change spring rate - calculate travle differen todd that i believe is what called the slip angle. difference between where tires are pointed and contact patches pointed. someone please correct me if am wrong. 
28872 re change spring rate - calculate travle differen ted you are correct. one thing to note also is that the end transfers more weight not always with highest slip angle and therefore will slide first. cars high amounts of cross can transfer in rear than front but do lr having static once happens rears may actually be balanced. especially when compared has a heavy rf get heavier. couple general statements 1. car tires equally loaded generate traction thus other 2. if balanced make cause loss at end. this for load trasfer only does take into account any camber roll steer etc have an effect on what does. 
28873 ccw - splined sway bar measurement todd a simple question when you input the leangth of 3 piece swaybar into ccw. do measure overall length or just lenght center for example my is 37.5 total from end to end. it has 1.25 diameter 49 ends but middle 1.375 diameter. parts are inches on each end.... so does that mean i should enter 31.5 thanks. 
28874 re steering not straight dave i dont have your kind of car u should set centerlink center tie rod holes to lower control arm bolts and then toe bump run a string from rear front for each side 
28875 re ccw - splined sway bar measurement j block actually that is a bit tricky. the strain will occure length of bar. but for program's purposes just ignore bushing part on both ends. 
28877 new subject of the week j block okay lets do one those again. this time how did you figure it out for me was a combination hitting wall off 4 and books. fist year i started they should have given an award more than anybody sometimes 2 or 3 times per race even heats . then in '72 '73 don't remember my buddy showed ad back stock car magazine book from guy named steve smith yep same selling books today ordered first read to not hit win. got went faster so 37 years later must close 300 related all but them cover some many times. are good others what he smoking never really learned much magazines after while that college degree finally paid big anything pits old days too oppos1te opinions. however when made nascar irl pick up few tricks couple guys garages. 
28878 re new subject of the week corey melton well i certainly haven't figured it all out yet or nearly as much john has. however there are a few things have picked up on already in this life long journey to truly understand that is race car engineering. for one thing you can never really trust any sort advice information secret tricks other friends and people will always be willing give you. sure might some true fact what they say but until learn yourself. if lucky enough come across someone highly knowledgeable who stick with them far between. then take their yourself ask hard questions keep asking why how when where etc.. hopefully person help bring answers your questions. many we figure only from learning way like hitting walls making wrong setup choice. over time i'm my most common method figuring out. effort think about study hear read elimante errors body damage. through listening soaking sponge right processing mind been able plan using same methods here . 
28879 re ccw - splined sway bar measurement swaybar is there any truth that the bars with larger ends are preferable due to rate loss at of reduced makes sense me. 
28880 re new subject of the week racer_dave i ask and listen. may not agree with an answer might think its totally wrong but if it gets me thinking then worth it. videotape or have someone do for me. when i'm driving end up compensating car. that start masking what car is doing. after debrief from a practice run race say happened watch film to see truth. video never lies ever. figured out no way. don't any truly experienced help. guys are great mechanics know will things right they really setup so anyone solid bounce ideas off of. buy books software try figure come this board few others. my biggest hurdle testing time hardly get any. in fact last year raced on fri nights. two helping hauled track warmed up. by left work got would be half way through qualifying i'd change grab helmet qualify cold turkey practice. used heats test changed features. stinks big kids had little league saturdays couldn't those days. best thing heard over holidays 'dad wanna baseball year' score 
28881 re new subject of the week richard 23 when i started asked tons questions. listened and soaked everything in. don't want to know what changes do a car why. once understanding why things they got much better. am by no means pro but now able set up in shop after going through can be within 2 tenths fast time right off trailer usually. enjoy helping others my brother dominate just as driving myself. it is very important for me understand someone more knowledgable tells you something ask listen carefully. 
28882 re ccw - splined sway bar measurement 44dwarf from a mechanical engineering standpoint the skinnyest part of has most amount stress and twist in it. but......in real world it gets discounted.... 
28883 re new subject of the week heloguy what i did was start out as a crew member on super late model that had chief with 40 years experience in racing. he is type guy will tell truth if asked but you don't ask won't tell. after few my questioning him and watching fixes we used for car problems said should think about running myself. still provides advice to me even though it could mean gets beat race night. i've taken from this get more satisfaction beating someone who knows ins outs than keep dark. gotta pass info young guys. cheers 
28884 re new subject of the week ted i started out in my dads garage when was 4. he one first to read probably same steve smith book that john did. it lead us 18 21 feature wins mid 70's. as got older engineer me coming and asking 2 engineering questions 1 how does do why that. dad finally gave understand. but still there too much becuase we say know ticked a few people off because would argue things. learn by having theorys shot down long understand theory is invalid. high school drawing roll centers triangulating front rear clips reduce flex spare time. then went college became mechanical engineer. didn't wanted at time wasn't motorsports program anywhere so reading anything could get hands on. once driving were fairly successfull lots offered up advice. course you need this such . or way always done past was... listen trying figure may not work. kept more books. questions. different ideas. some worked some.... what differences between expected actually saw felt. have problems driver crew chief communication. most many times compensates thus masking any issues car have. are makes head hurt. 
28885 re new subject of the week j block hey ted funny that we paralleled in many ways and as an engineer you must be like me. when i look at something always see object is a porcupine force vectors constantly summing moments working out free body diagrams or some fun impulse momentum problem curse . but these are just tools learned school. to good scientist do listing everybody you. trick determine if what person tells actual observed phenomenon product hawthorne effect. every great once while it true event my experience comes racing only thing rival murphy hawthorne. course computer models data acq daily toys can get team not freak have had incredible success with statistical process control favorite plankett-burman screening designs. 
28886 re new subject of the week ted yeah i listen to everyone. believe about 10 but 100 . sometimes hear things that are just off wall. one guy machined down a front rotor making solid disk from vented correct geometry problems. hmmmmm. other times you many racers same change and seeing positive results reasoning does not make any sense. there must be something behind it trick is understand what really happening. why in engineering. my next hope get data aquisition some sort. with dad getting up age pure volunteer crew on track while am wheel without sort logger difficult. had already started looking into when your webinars. kind like letting kid sample candy. now need start built. wish day job would quit interfering night weekend job. 
28887 anyone see the defnder head and neck at pri ted did new restraint sounds like a cool piece but trying to push their own will make it sound best ever made. try on pro's or con's 
28888 re anyone see the defnder head and neck at pri not today i've seen it in person but does look good i was going to get one there being sued for copyright infringement by hans so i'll wait see. when called them they would tell me could ship take my money now.... 
28889 re anyone see the defnder head and neck at pri ted it looked a lot like hans but maybe with few added features. i was not able to find price what is list for one 
28890 re anyone see the defnder head and neck at pri not today they originally said 475 range but there 550.00...... 
28891 re crank big bore one of the mustang drag forums was dicing them as junk . counterweight clearance issues etc. china has opened up a whole new market for cranks good and bad. if you want imported 4340 or rod check out k1 technologies grand rapids mi. he is taking import rods machining to spec. his forged chevy are less than 700 500. sister company je wiesco carrillo so their standards much higher some snake oil stuff there. 
28892 car weight myth fstock whats faster 2700pd with good percentages or a 3000pd excellent percentages. im trying to solve the light i will take handling over all day long. just wondering what board thought on this topic thanks 
28893 re car weight myth swaybar the problem with question is how we define good and excellent. if 2700 has truly decent distribution i would go that option. 
28894 caster gain roll center jim since i messed up my car by lowering the upper mounts and guess raising rc how do check is there anything should to adjust higher 
28895 re steering not straight jim is there any advantage in using a longer center link shorter tie rods 
28896 re new subject of the week mnmale1972 you both sound like me....except i did not got to school for engineering. although should have was young liked girls and beer tasted good my problem.......one many...is started being around a race track when about 28 or 29. am gonna be 37 this month so really late in life been racing pure stock classes. mind beleiving could do nothing make car better....after all is stock......then 4 1 2 years ago decided start driving buidling own cars realized that brain one most important peices equipment own. spend alot time helping other racers....espicailly hobby model drivers. learning adjustments they were doing theory physics can definatley applied racing. then found place how much knowledge out there...... too want know why auto technician specializes drivabilty repair diagnostics. if understand something works it easy diagnose fix it. ans phone keeps ringing with fellow figure eight drivers asking there push which springs use. compare myself either john ted....and maybe still learned . but sure fun trying find thanks mark 
28897 re car weight myth fstock 3000pd corners better and has bite off was just trying to get some feedback on whats more important handling or 
28898 re steering not straight chris good question jim. dont know. 
28899 re car weight myth richard 23 handling is more important but part of that equation. 300lbs alot to make up for. i would be much inclined work with the 2700lb setup. 
28900 re caster gain roll center swaybar about the part of question - if all was decent before change i would expect you to need softer springs and maybe less bar now with higher center. how much depends on drastic was. your camber at rf should be better so static setting there might changed. flip side may true lf start more positive added angle upper. checking remove shocks set car stands mock suspension up correct height use control arms determine this . check ride jack through 1 2 bump travel it again then repeat for as many increments feel mirror actual travel. record each increment plot out process other front suspension. 
28901 re car weight myth swaybar i thought the question was hypothetical. if you're talking about two actual cars fact that 3000 pound handles better could be due to a host of different variable other than difference. just think 2700 has more potential turn lap times. 
28902 re car weight myth ted question is how to get 2700 lbs and excellent percentages. this would be the fastest. i agree it depends on good is. in therory a lighter should able corner at higher rate accelerate slow rate. due non linearity of tires adding does not give you same amount added grip. but there are many factors especially when talking about 2 cars. compare crate motor dirt late model 3000 427 super modified asphalt. even with ideal percentages lower cgh down force larger will win out. so comparing cars can difficult. now all that being said other items also factor in. track or asphalt paper clip long sweeping turns flat high bank depending times help balance make driver faster. one handles may qualify as well race much better. have fastest out if white nuckled whole time can't pass anyone then what gained. suggest working where why slower. 
28903 re car weight myth hogracer3d we have a 3000 dirt with 54 rear and went to open show no rule. took 300 off of the only had 49 so put more pinion angle little lead thinking would foreward bite. wrong caught super heavy track were tight ended up 3 stagger than usual just get it turn. fastest lap any superstock all but mods that weekend 
28904 re steering not straight dave u want your tie rods as long lower control arm it helps ur bump steer thats why metic cars have bad with center link on and lowers off take a rod put in the holes 4 untill they line up when find that lines good starting point to set bumb also make marks so no is car 
28905 everything being equal scott but this isn't who knows there is one thng you can do to make a car perform better in all aspects concerning racing it lighter . will corner stop and accelerate quicker too so have the 2700 pound set up just as well 3000 still loose pppssssssssstttttttt cause i cut yer tire down dumped ya .and on last lap dag there's gonna be fight now 
28906 re caster gain roll center scott i don't think lowering the mounts is a bad thing in fact if it was just front that's what recommend . how did handle before change and then after loose 
28907 re caster gain roll center jim the car was very good before i lowered mounting points 650rf 500lf. 2007. last year with same set up just junk loose tight. near end of put 1200rf 900lf. a little better but not much.last race ton in rf and best it had been all year. although nowhere as 
28908 re new subject of the week 44dwarf for me it was getting a call from friends dad to come help on his race car. went up tune and hooked after two year helping wrench them i asked drive then found out what p.o.s. car how little people really knew about working it. that winter read every book could get my hands on. all more. so impressed by mr. smith dug net phone number. we'd talk once month 6 months rebuild coming along. still can't belive he some kid back east like whole life. wow nice guy. miss him. rip carroll. friend loaned copy duke southard got at school attended. well dog ear'd pick today fresh mind. track cheat sheet is based off one in book. not having many shocks or spring packages i've adjusted order which i'll try improvements. s1tes this war board dcr ton too. dwarfs are alot mini prostocks as everything adjustable. but learn here just have adjust myself. 44 -- smok'in competition tobacco transplant organs don't bury 
28909 re caster gain roll center ted if the car was verfy good before change what idea behind raising of rc should have made camber more with and increase in resistance mainly affecting mid turn. to get back where it soften front springs this will affect entery exit sway bar turn stiffen rear entry raise or reduce cross entrance . also when you lowered a-frame did add remove any angle from a side view over head would changed anti-dive which could entrance. besides differences check bump steer asks question say is not as how reacting differently. 
28910 re new subject of the week richard 23 i stated reading steve smith books when was too. more learn realize how incorrect some info is wrong in his books. most it correct but not all it. 
28911 re caster gain roll center scott isn't it desirable to remove anti-dive that was one of the things i did when they were looking and you couldn't move much around . i'd lower front bolt flatten out a-frame angle as could don't recall ever seeing in a racing suspension for roundy fabbed wonder what sort track might make having good idea just looked at handicap made think harder under braking variable rather not have 
28912 re caster gain roll center swaybar anti-dive or at least the ability to use it is built into every fabricated racing chassis i've seen. it's also a pretty common tuning tool withe bbss setups. 
28913 re caster gain roll center rich walling some use pro-dive on one side and anti-dive the other. 
28914 corvette c4 exhaust manifiolds 1984-1996 richard 23 looking for some feedback on these manifolds. do flow well they match up decent with a vortec head what about 461 462 fuelie 
28922 re corvette c4 exhaust manifiolds 1984-1996 richard 23 thanks rich i have reviewed that in the past however it doesn't specifically say they tested manifold. sent an e-mail to them inquire. 
28923 re anyone see the defnder head and neck at pri ted i just hope they stay afloat. read are more than likely going to be sued by leaf as people that started it came from there. thing stinks is end user one ends up on short end. lets things work out. 
28924 re fixing aluminum rad richard 23 i have a friend that owns radiator shop. he gives me stick of this hard yellow epoxy about once every 2 years or so. the color is little darker than mountain dew almost urine color. sticks come 6 inches long. fix all my friends radiators with it. also fixed brass you don't need to clean area anything. just empty water heat propane torch one use shorter soda can and melt stuff on. it works perfect. race thing 5 minutes after dries. print response out take your local shop ask for some. wouldn't imagine would cost more 
28925 re helmets richard 23 usually it's air delivery etc. generally speaking they are no safer if got the sa2005 sticker you can use it anywhere. additionally only difference between a m2005 and helmet is that sa has nomex liner chin strap. impact rating protection identical. far more important to replace your takes any decent than have an expensive one. 
28926 re fixing aluminum rad dirtrunner speedwaymotors has some yellow looking stuff you melt on the hole. i've used it twice and held for 2 years. 
28933 holly 4412 homer i run a on 351w with 1969 cylinder heads any way was wondering if there is thing can do to improve higher rpm perfomace. should block the power valve and high flow seat. my range 2800 about 5700 rpm. also distributor have tun stoch one. thanks for all input from 
28934 re holly 4412 richard 23 do not plug the power valve. your best bet is to get a carb rebuilt from reputable man. there are tons out some frequent this board. i have had 4412's 3 different people and they all ran fine. even an unworked summit. we removed choke plate etc changed jets valve run it one night when prob with our good carb. started 14th won enough said. know nothing about stock 351w distributor however define stock. rules say or for that make year model. companies chevy hei type distributos ford etc. 
28935 re holly 4412 swaybar richard23 gave you some good advice. the stock needle seat will flow more fuel than need no problem there. of box 4412s run like crap. them great. just never know what you're going to get. spend a couple hundred buch have it blueprinted and you'll be happy with it. 
28936 re fixing aluminum rad ted you have to watch putting sealer in the system as a preventitive method. it works but when drain must first flush it. air hits solidifies. this is good coming out hole. same thing happens causing thin layer of seal solidify on inside tubes. reduces effeciency system. 
28937 re corvette c4 exhaust manifiolds 1984-1996 anonymous1 i think the manifolds at brezinski are cast ones. believe above post is talking about tube ones with center dumps... 
28938 re helmets anonymous1 so if both m and sa impact ratings are identical what is the difference between helmuts that would make one choose a helmut i only ask this because have been using m2000 one. want to know why need purchase another rated for just circle track racing. there valid reason then all protection can get my marbles... 
28939 re helmets 97bubba one word fire that is the difference. dave 
28940 re helmets anonymous1 thanks dave that is what i wanted to hear. makes sense have a sa rated helmet then... 
28941 re helmets richard 23 that is my understanding as well. the sa helmet liner and chin strap nomex. 
28942 re helmets 97bubba according to the manufacturer that i talked to. shells are same for most part impact and material standards sa rated have fire resistent materials nomex mostly used in guts padding skirts straps ect. tested including m not. will more around eye opening up higher on cheek bone area. helmet 2 model one is an 2005 2000 shield area considerable smaller although vision same. alot comfortable wear. dave 
28943 re corvette c4 exhaust manifiolds 1984-1996 richard 23 there are cast iron manifolds not tube headers. randy b responded to my e-mail stating that they did test them. i sent him an example of some on e-bay. in bradscorvettes e-bay store. 
28944 re helmets panel63 years ago i was told a m rate helmet when you fall off your cycle and hit the pavement then curb it designed for 2 imacts where sa special application rated multipule impacts like hitting cage many times richard 
28945 re steering not straight dave i belive that 82-87 camaro works on a metic but arm is off bit 
28946 re holly 4412 homer we have to use the ford they will not let us run hei i hurd of some people welding them so you don't mes with advance just set it where need it. 
28947 re helmets richard 23 none of them are designed for multiple impacts. i totalled a car and hit my head on bar in the process. gladly threw away helmet after one impact. it was 250 did it's job well. 20 minutes clearing cobwebs good to go. its just not worth risking opinion. 
28948 re fixing aluminum rad mnmale1972 that is why i use the silver seal think it to be called solder . not type of a sealer. but you are correct. if some sealers they have need flushed out. 
28949 re holly 4412 josh k. welding it would be a good idea alot less hassle and one thing to break or go wrong. try kinetic performance for the carb. should have webs te very reasonable. hope this helps. k 
28950 re holly 4412 swaybar www.kineticperformance.net dayton umholtz is the guy. i agree with other suggestion. you won't find a better carb job at great price. his was on 2008 asa member track national champ's car. in fact we've run stuff for years results. 
28951 webinar time again j block it to start the webinars and price is way lower this month. go www.auto-ware.com webinar_home.html for info on data webinars. also front suspension class will be ready before end of 
28952 re holly 4412 44dwarf yup theres only 2 guys i'd trust for carbs and dayton is the closest other guy closed up shop. 
28953 re holly 4412 dirtrunner i have one of daytons carbs great work. 
28954 re helmets dan riley there are differences. one i can point out real easy is the eye opening smaller on an sa helmet. tried using my race helmet bike and field of vision was much less especially looking up than it with sm i'd guess materials about same depending what you pay. 
28955 re holly 4412 kinetic performance thanks for the kind words guys yep we're expanding our capabilities all time and would be glad to help if needed. we now b p distributors magnetos too as well just about brands of motorsports parts but carbs head work etc is still bacon n eggs . email me i can at kineticperformance yahoo.com or call shop weekdays before 2pm 607-277-6462. dayton umholtz co-owner 
28956 re webinar time again todd john- i sent you an email asking how to sign up. thanks. 
28957 re fixing aluminum rad dirtinla here's a step by with pics... enjoy and good luck stockcarracing.com howto 134_0411_radiator_repair_tech index.html 
28958 re car weight myth paul the better driver wins cause he can adapt weather is using either car. 
28959 re corvette c4 exhaust manifiolds 1984-1996 anonymous1 the ones on bradscorvettes are tube style. i have a set at home. never seen cast iron from that era... but if you say some believe you. 
28960 re corvette c4 exhaust manifiolds 1984-1996 richard 23 those manifolds from bradscorvette are not tube headers they just have a heat shield covering the whole thing. look very close at top where bolt on. i set in my shop as well indeed cast iron with 90 of surface. 
28961 re webinar time again ted that's great always look forward to these. for those that have not attended it is well worth it. even if you do data aquisition john's presentation and the interaction make very informative. want a better understand on how can analyze what your car doing this you. 
28962 re corvette c4 exhaust manifiolds 1984-1996 anonymous1 like i said believe you. the ones have look exactly those shields but are tube style not cast iron. a great day. 
28963 re corvette c4 exhaust manifiolds 1984-1996 richard 23 i was told that the came with both depending on options not sure which . someone tried stock header thing in our class at track. or if it's cast iron a header. 
28964 re holly 4412 scott take the dist apart and look inside under breaker plate you will find there are two advance amounts can choose from long or short slot . just set around limit tang pointing up discard heavy spring use another light one like on other side this put at about 12 14 degrees idling tune rate through hole by bending tabs springs attach to if it comes total too fast bend tab out for more tension is a fiddly horseshoe clip shaft rotor sits over pull felt luber you'll were little round tangs stickin they have be parted further come off then trigger wheel pry slides pay atten roll pin don't loose would allow i'd forget holley run bored ford 2 bbl mine beats 4 bbls all time best exhaust manifolds 289 hi-po.... 9430-a-1a... parts number national depot different intakes better looks four bottom lookin it's apparent which rounded nasty corner runners bigger i keep seeing folks chevy valves in heads usually mistake tips shorter above keeper rail type rockers beat retainers act valve compressor every opens misunderstand refers very tip whre contacts stem boxes sides slotted end words what locates rocker absence of guide many times confuse rial with see has them also now who knew do chivvys much myself 
28965 re helmets lawnboy thank you all for your imput. 
28966 re holly 4412 dan riley homer get that dist to someone who owns and knows how use a distributor machine. all you need do is tell the tech. what you're running it in answer his questions he'll give be best can be. any other home-brewed dist. fixin's are wasted time money. good luck .....dan 
28967 re holly 4412 richard 23 x2 very good advice. 
28968 forum guest i like to read all the forums and i've had trouble with dirt forum.com . try log in it tells me i'm banned. any body else having this problem. thanks 
28969 re forum burt brown testing 
28970 re forum badfast1 you have to give them a call it happen me 870-867-0133 
28971 re forum j block its working now who knows it's electronic and i can't get a wrench on it. 
28972 re forum racer_dave wrench huh... i'll have to try that. does it work better than a hammer 
28973 re holly 4412 homer hay scot thank you for the info. i have been a professional auto tech very long time clear back when they had carbs on them so allways done carb work engine trans rear end well get it. any way only racing couple years and this is diferant some of things am looking to finde out. oh yes ford man to. your friend homer. 
28974 teching compression mnmale1972 just found out that my figure eight class has a rule going into effect this year. 9.5 to 1. wondering if any of you have experience with whistler how does it work what is the procedure for i need make changes current motor legal but wwondering know be at limit and pass tech. mark 
28975 re teching compression mnmale1972 i think answered part of my question in the archives. new is this.........how thick a head gasket can get use on sbc calculator am using tells me at 10.16 to 1 with .020 gasket. if put .045 puts 9.59. does exist also cam has alot duration....will this skew readings whistler it would be nice run what have and not pay for set heads worked up. thanks mark 
28976 re teching compression gene between a head gasket cam lifters you should be able to drop 9.5-1. i've never seen whistler for tdc but not ratio why ask the tech guy check your engine now if it passes you're good go. local track must understand that people can't wait until opening day see their is legal. 
28977 re teching compression guest cam and lifters have nothing to do with ratio cylinder pressure yes. no. the whistler checks combustion chamber including valve notches head gasket etc. volume at tdc both valves closed. they usually read a few tenths low. so 9.7 would probably pass 9.5. engine temperature cid numbers are needed for whistler. will bubble cid. when is near it be turned large screw driver through hole in bellhousing ring gear make sure actually tdc. 
28978 re teching compression mnmale1972 i realize that cam and lifters have nothing do with ratio....however if you radical duration overlap could technically effect a reading whistler are is leaking past slighlty open valve it would give lower reading. thanks for response. 
28979 re teching compression mnmale1972 great idea. have it teched now and see if i even need to make changes......except is 24 below zero might scew the readings alittle......lol thanks 
28980 re teching compression 97bubba no tech officials are a little smarter than you give them credit for. lol actually the instructions for whistler state to remove rockers cylinder be checked. this eliminates any fooling of whistler. in response your earlier post stock head gasket thickness is .043 compressed. could add an .018 shim and get it back down where need it. just out curiousity why do say over 10-1 have heads been shaved block decked what cc piston my 9-1 imca sportmod motor has 2 valve relief pistons 9.000 74 cc's fel-pro blue gaskets whistles at 9.3-1. curious as think that high if i remember right rule use smog 76 without domed or angle milling would hard 10. dave 
28981 re teching compression mnmale1972 sandwich the 2 gaskets is that what you are saying hmmm....never tried before. our rules have been very open ........ i am currently running 64cc heads with flat tops and a steel shim head gasket. were skimmed but nothing big. my calculations puts me at 10.16 to 1. ran your combo through calculator come up 9.26 thanks for response. 
28982 re teching compression 97bubba yes the steel shim gasket is .018 and was used to keep ratios nearer same when heads were cut flatten them out. you can use with another good like fel-pro blue at least thats what chevy says. i am not real sure that would go way never have done it. also if your calculator says are going be close regular try hope whistler reads low. lol. summit has gaskets up .080 way. they kinda pricey but cheaper than getting set of done. dave 
28983 re teching compression josh k. it would be more beneficial to run a dished piston then open up the head clearance that much just kills quench effect. motor effecient with about .035 and type piston. an opinion. 
28984 re forum burt brown i use to post responses racers questions on the dirt and at end of my postings left name company phone numbers e-mail address how reach me for any further question that need answered. being webmaster or guy has this site called ashtabula ohio shop wanted pay him placing as advertising. told was only offering free tech info answered a way them if needed be point he band from site. am mentioned time i'm suprised hasn't contacted 
28985 re steering not straight dave jim i have the camaro center link but unable to square and strsght at same time. which one is more importent 
28986 re steering not straight dave do u mean have camaro center link on a metic i belive you need the tie rod to line up with lower bolt so ur bump is good always check my wheel turned as far turn it in corners take your time doing this its worths next will be easyer 
28987 re teching compression mnmale1972 not gonna disagree........but this powerplant is together and strong headgaskets are relatively cheap compared to new pistons rebuild. thanks. 
28988 supercharged warriors banquet burt brown my wife and i went to the at sheraton erie bayfront last night it was awsome are a great bunch of people dinner we hope get go again sometime 
28989 re teching compression lucifer can't really fool a whistler it it's being used right. the biggest problem is with user. they p g engine for displacement then take rockers off one cylinder. block temp turkey thermometer to correct density. turn tdc and connect an adapter in sparkplug hole. won't read if there any leakdown. gripe i have inconsistent readings from night next. think has do as correction factor. my present 10.5 based on calculations including ring land eyebrows etc. last measured 9.8 at track... lol even told tech machine was what actual was. he just shrugged his shoulders. i'm also wondering use reference standard. test confirm accuracy of 
28990 re helmets lucifer the old saying goes if you have a 300 head then buy helmet... it never ceases to amaze that guys can spend big bucks on latest gadget or go-fast part but scrimp safety stuff. helmet will last several seasons and protects you. that's hugely important get hurt can't work race... there's certain cause effect forget about... i an hjc si-12 kevlar. it's crazy light translates into less driver fatigue. also had ventilated for pumper wired radio. air flow in is best i've ever had. as about grand out door well worth it. before simpson voyager seven door. talk harold over at rpi. he's friend of mine fix up right. take look link my helmet. www.racingplus.com si-12-helmet 1310p10337 
28991 re teching compression mnmale1972 thanks. i am actually thinking about leaving it and worring after have been teched. lol might to hang around the tech barn see them a few. 
28992 looking for large bar jam does anyone know where i can purchase a 1 2 and adjustable mounts stock clip late model our rules are changing this year i'd like to try bbss set up. couldn't find what needed on the howe website..thanks 
28993 re looking for large bar jam never mind found it from coleman. 
28994 re looking for large bar 97bubba www.lefthanderchassis.com you should be able to find what are there. dave 
28995 transmission dipstick tube joe just wondering if a th350 is the same as powerglide one 
28996 re transmission dipstick tube burt brown no. 
28997 487x heads mnmale1972 anybody have a virgin set lying around let me know. 
28998 re transmission dipstick tube joe thanks... 
28999 re looking for large bar swaybar you might be able to make that work but prepared go smaller....just in case monster is too much. 
29000 re car weight myth cbyjoe simple question if your class calls for 3200 lbs should weigh plus a few just to pass the scale. no reason ever run heavier light is fast. set up accordingly. turns better laps with more wrong and you could be faster physics. cup busch asa trucks arca outlaw sprints late models any other serious race division cars roll over scales at or touch required weight. 
29001 re 487x heads bluebomber i have 487 but not the 
29002 steering quickner on lms jam i ran across a 2 1 and wondering if should try it now that new clip is going car. have 12 box do you guys think would be too quick oh yeah asphalt thank for your input 
29003 camaro nova bbss ss monte 71 i am running a 1981 this year for the second year..im looking someone who has run leaf spring car and gone from conventional setup to setup...was it worth what was baseline swaybar rate etc is on fast 3 8 mile track with little no banking...please thanks. 
29004 re camaro nova bbss richard 23 you can't run a true setup without being able to modify roll centers mounting points and real good shock etc. its sounds like have street stock type of deal with stok mount shocks. if so can migrate little toward the principles great success. this basic has won us tons races on medium banked short tracks trans-am 1.25 sway bar bigger than 1.128 z-28 lf 600 rf 700 lr 200 rr 250 landrum total weight 3250 56 left 50.5-52 cross .5 preload 49 rear 
29005 re steering quickner on lms richard 23 its a matter of personal taste in my opinion. it would be way too quick for me. modified i run 14-1 box with 1.5 to 1 quickener. ss 12-1 no think you get better feel without 
29006 re steering quickner on lms dan riley i used a 2 1 quickener in my dirt metric. it took few races to get it. think was little too fast for but may have been fine asphalt since things happen much faster there. if you try give yourself time it's like night and day. driving 3000 go cart. best of luck you.......dan 
29007 re steering quickner on lms swaybar i agree that it's more about driver feel but my personal belief is a 12 1 box with no best pavement. 
29008 re camaro nova bbss ss monte 71 yes we do have to run a stock mount shock.however can mods for roll centers..any good baseline ride heights with that setup or center thanks 
29009 forgive me for asking mnmale1972 but what is the gear ratio on stock boxes i know have a had one or two that were too slow didn't think about there being different ratios. everyday learn something new this board...lol 
29010 re 487x heads mnmale1972 sent you an email 
29011 re forgive me for asking jam good question.. i do know that stock boxes the 80's z28 were most sought after when was running street stocks.. hmm. thanks input y'all probably won't try 2 1. did use a 1 5 to on metric and liked it alot. 
29012 re 487x heads jam i know where there are some 487x's that have been milled to 72cc. you could get them for 250 but they ship from florida. 
29013 re forgive me for asking racer_dave there are several ratios of boxes. i know 14 1 and 16 but think some 22 too. i'm sure someone here will have more info mixing the box quickner it should be pretty adjustable. 
29014 re forgive me for asking swaybar the good z28 boxes are 12 1. other common gm 14 1 and 16 
29015 re camaro nova bbss richard 23 there isn't a whole lot you can do with the rear roll center leafs. put front about 3 off ground use screw in chrysler lower ball joints and 1-2 inches to right of center. just set ride height 1 4 higher than what ends up at when 
29016 re teching compression rich walling rol makes an inexpensive and reliable .046 head gasket. 
29017 re 487x heads mnmale1972 sent you an email. 
29018 re teching compression mnmale1972 thanks rich 
29019 richard dave what shocks do you run no hight of your rear roll center because i coil spring with a 20in we went to flat track for the frist time last yr and setup put in car was way off would like try yours all waits are same as mine already also does front move left or right how far thank alot 
29020 re teching compression ja my engine has only been checked once and they did not take the rockers off. do it wrong it's a pure stock 350 with cam. also took word for what displacement was. 
29021 re richard 23 i haven't checked my dynamic roll center on this car nor have the rear center. can't change easily so always figured that it is what is. we to run stock mount non rebuildable shocks. afco's but you pick through several because often times qc terrible. 1022 rf 1021 lf 1032's both rears. all 1034's felt never feel right otherwise would put one lr. with bite issues without a leaf may. be running bilstiens track won't allow them they allegedly can take apart and revalve in germany. 
29022 re teching compression 97bubba yes they did not get a true reading with the whistler if rockers were removed. also without pumping cylinder would know volume of to program set whistler. that is main problem tech all over country imho. these tools and think how use them. which really have no clue dq alot cars are legal. why rulebook always readily available when my car in area. i an instruction manual for speedway race at has. it saves headaches. plus fun see look on face head you pull out your copy say let's read together lol dave 
29023 spindle height critter what is the of mid 80's impala and metric thanks ron 
29027 re richard 23 i can't measure the angle easily because there are stock uppers. you need to go through whole roll center calculation process. we run 8 goodyear treaded tire. 
29028 re richard ss monte 71 thanks for the info i so far have had very little luck with camaro getting enough forward bite im going back into shop now and to try setup you said here...ill let know how it works out...thanks again 
29029 re richard 23 if you have trouble getting bite take another multi leaf and seperate the leafs. just main mount it under existing on left rear with standard u-bolts. cut off back half of leaf. what in affect is a traction bar rear. to play spacing etc make sure sitting shop extra isn't touching but when your throttle springs are wrapping touches adds bite. 
29030 re spindle height richard 23 its about 1 taller than the metric if i remember right. camaro is same amount taller. 
29031 re spindle height critter i have a couple of mid 70's camaro nova spindles. will they fit my 80's metric thanks ron 
29032 re spindle height richard 23 outside of the ball joints yes. i'm not sure if you will have to install new and ream spindles or not. 
29033 re spindle height critter i did a parts check on the upper and lower ball joints for mid 70's camaro 80's metric they are same. thanks info ron 
29034 re spindle height oval olds here is a post i did while ago. i've dug around www.car-part.com and came up with front suspension part interchanges for 77 full size gm cars that believe correct. the interchange entire unit balljoint bushings it unknown if there are more arms just have different bushings. used common car names parts from pont caddy buick lines will still work. other use bits pieces of fullsize wonder anything to gain by swapping upper arm. 77-96 85-89 astro van lower arm 77-79 nova 77-81 camaro 11 rotor a-2 a-6 bearing 77-78 bearings but likely a-3 79 last year line 80-90 square 91-96 round rotors might work as only real change was abs sensor 80-81 years body 
29035 re spindle height critter now i've got a little more to go on thanks for all the info. ron 
29036 fuel linkage stockcar37 i bought a new aftermarket pedal with the toe pull back.going from cable to solid what parts and pieces do you need connect carb is there kit can buy have figure out lenght's ratio's lots of stuff make your own steering shaft but not seen kit's for linkage. 
29037 re fuel linkage swaybar yes there are kits you can by for both the throttle return and linkage. i tried to post a couple of links here but couldn't because board said was using naughty language. go www.daymotorsports.com search carb you'll find stuff. 
29038 cam-rocker ratios bill could someone explain to me why some cam builders require a different rocker arm ratio between the intake and exhaust. chevy small block - 1.6 intake- 1.5 
29039 re fuel linkage 97bubba wx3.lefthanderchassis.com wx3.stockcarproducts.com they will also have everything you ever need to assemble or build from scratch a race car. dave 
29040 re cam-rocker ratios j block cam companies or engine builders 
29041 re teching compression old man the whistler is very accurate if it used correctly but only as good numbers you put into it. displacement needs to be checked and temp has right. rockers do need backed off so that valves are certainly closed. when i have been involved with we entered from tube then by rocking crank could verify on piston was actually at tdc taking highest reading. input can easily changed adjusted during process example engine cooling worked on. hope this helps... 
29042 re cam-rocker ratios bill cam companies. 
29043 re cam-rocker ratios swaybar some cam grinds are created specifically for higher rocker ratios. they may use a slightly shorter lobe on the one side with specific intent to ratio that lobe. rockers create more valve velocity during opening. most cams designed high than 1.6 - usually 1.7 or 1.8 
29044  bolt right in lowers critter hey gang. this may just be wishful thinkin'. are there any longer than stock oem that on a metric ron 
29045 re bolt right in lowers 34 make your own ..cut the ball joint end off of one lower.. a little longer ..weld it on u cut shorter course you have tried moving out as far will go all this is alot work for very gain. 
29046 re fuel linkage 34 after you have the toe-hold pedal installed .. with motor in ..buy 2 1 4 rod ends ...get about 3' of steel at home depot ..thread one end and screw on hiem ..stick it through fire wall ...position your new gas so its where ya want ..mark other inch ..cut thread ..put ..bolt to throtle arm carb appropriate spacers bolts.... 
29047 re spindle height 34 if my memory serves me correctly..the lower ball joint hole on the nova camaro is bigger than metric... 
29048 re richard 34 the rear roll center for a leaf spring car is pretty much of end housing ... 
29049 re bolt right in lowers oval olds try flexi flyer they make longer for some gm. 
29052 re spindle height 97bubba if you are putting on nova lowers yes the ball joint is a bigger pin. metric and 70's camaro use same . spindles direct bolt in. it not to difficult find out will fit go auto zone's websyte look up 's for both cars. they be dave 
29056 re spindle height 34 unless it is something i have never seen ...then it's a different ball joint. 
29057 john block scaling problems with bbss setup jp we having trouble scale the latemodel soft springs and strong rebound shocks is making difficult. whenever roll car on off scales number get screwy. other thing just realized when put wedge it out it's really going to creat a problem. can you give us some insight how do this 
29063 re bolt right in lowers critter rules say stock oem parts location. using camaro spindles will give me a better roll center and camber on drivers side but for passenger is harder to get correct. can move upper ball joint no problem. offset shaft or eccentric bushings puts the very close headers. if there was an lower that longer without having anything would be great. i referenced archives metric . thanks ron 
29069 re john block scaling problems with bbss setup pacecar23 grab a roof cage bar and shake the car side to side. 
29070 re bolt right in lowers dave42 ok 34 you have me curious do want to share the real magic rear end 
29071 re john block scaling problems with bbss setup dirtrunner unhooked the shocks 
29072 re john block scaling problems with bbss setup jp soon as i get back down to the garage i'll numbers and post them. hard say everything on here because this stuff is so different for us. but just give you heads up we have won 2 championships are tie all time track win record. don't take being smart want procedure out of problem that experiencing setup. what observing 12lf rebound 9rf soft springs it seems be screwing our ride heights that's a baseline. haven't even started play wedge guess looking at how car settling do shocks. other thing going effect us when start playing weight doing an would best way resolve issue can able scale properly. from show exactly doing. 
29073 re richard dirtrunner open rear or locked no forward bite because both tires are spinning just one does the of car squat on exit 
29074 re john block scaling problems with bbss setup 97bubba its kinda hard to unhook shocks a coilover setup. also it would be use different shock package when the wedge and ride height is set nuts. does return near same after some time like half hour or so. we ran 325 springs in front not quite as aggressive of rebound front. if i remember right was 7 left 9. used have let sit for 15 20 minutes changes. last right. hope you get figured out. dave 
29075 re scaling problems with bbss setup 44dwarf are your scales on ramps mine mounted in i used a 2x12 then stack another top leaving holes for the thin ply wood layer and 1 2 x12 plank so theres no change height when roll scales. there long eough that if need to make an adjustment car back foot off but it's still ramps. can its withing 5 lbs place my each bumper give it three pushes down. doing this i'm within everytime. 44 
29078 re richard ss monte 71 multi leaf landrums and ive got a detriot style locker in ford 9 inch.im willing to try anything with this car...so frustrating dealing it point.thanks advance 
29079 re bolt right in lowers josh k as richard said the metric cars bump is pretty bad to begin with. although it alot worse with camaro caprice spindles. can be fixed easy enough by modifiying a center link that drops inner pivot and makes tierods shorter. 
29080 re spindle height josh k imapal caprice camaro spindles are a direct bolt on side from maybe needing washer under the lower balljoint nut due to small unthreaded portion sticking up out of some them. mods may need be done for camber setting rf as ton shim is needed. also older big cars used different tierod taper iirc. 
29081 valves springs ja pure stock class 1 4 mile ashphalt lift cam. i had a valve break and destroy my engine. was an idiot didn't change the were on their 2nd season . got to thinking that since truck engine never goes above 3000 rpm redlines at 4000 it's bit unreasonable expect race rev up 6000 keep coming back every week for more with off-the-shelf springs. i'm of switching stainless steel better also re-gearing down little. what should be using shim them thanks 
29082 re john block scaling problems with bbss setup lucifer use a set of light shocks for up. preferably very or no dampening. leave the piston but take discs and fluid out. if it's same brand you can just measure from rod end on shock body to spring seat transfer that measurement your race shock. then install go racing. ride height preload will be same. really want nitpick make simple trammel bar tool help settings. different up you'll have account any differences shaft as well otherwise may off. 
29083 re john block scaling problems with bbss setup jp dave thanks alot that is exactly what has been happening the guys were at shop this morning and i forwarded your info to them. after they play around a little bit low behold problem. we have 200lb springs across front. just gave me call back let know found depending on how hard push up down depends long it take car settle back. yea ha scale going be fun process but least now on...now can figure out procedure able animal...thanks again it's was driving us crazy didn't realize these shocks would hold down. thank god two cars other wise wouldn't even continue trying do can't wait get track see cane 
29084 re richard lucifer i'd suggest going even up on rear rates before swapping. that's a much bigger change than up. 
29085 re richard ray lou did you get the message i left for back before christmas danny crumpjr. racing 
29086 re john block scaling problems with bbss setup 97bubba no problem glad i could help. look at it like this make adjustments have a beer repeat. lol dave 
29087 re richard lucifer yes thanks for the update. it's good to hear sr is in better health. sounds like jr was pretty busy there a while. unfortunately racing can be hard on relationships and families. those things happen glad he's doing right by his son. hopefully will work out so he get back enjoy some soon. people. drop me an email when you chance. gamachedotracingatverizondotnet substitute symbols dot at. 
29088 re valves springs gene any decent engine shop should be able to do all the required machine work and put your heads back together for 200 bucks. what parts you want use can sorts of dollars but trw stuff would about so look at 400 a set oem that will good 6000 rpm. 
29089 re john block scaling problems with bbss setup gene ditto on the unhook shocks 
29090 re bbss camber gain jracer98 when you had the springless chassis resting on spacer at full suspension compression what were your shop settings targets for rf and lf cambers after thanks jay 
29091 re john block scaling problems with bbss setup jp wow you must have been read our minds thats exactly what we were talking about will be drunk before even get the car scaled 
29092 new track rule high gear starts only. . oval olds does anyone else have a of only the general section local 1 2 mile asphalt says same goes for restarts too. just how would they enforce that i'm guessing want to eliminate missed shifts at start and resulting cautions but i think it will cause more trouble as guys with lots motor greater advantage than if everyone started in first. now what constitutes know i'll ask tech small cube v8 class runs automatics second do we third front drive or 3rd 4 5 speed manuals are legal gotta 5th too 
29093 re new track rule high gear starts only. . rich walling there are a number of racing series that have rule. the two local tracks we run enforcement is difficult. i don't know if i've ever seem any one get called for it. btw my rocket scientist drivers blew shift while leading and went to second place. 
29094 stock exhaust opinions mnmale1972 i know thre advantages of a 2 into 1 or an x pipe advantage......but looking for opinions. am curently running class with manifolds and straight pipes. few years ago made system them the track said we had to have tail pipes before ever got use it. no rule just says inch max . wondering what opions experience you exhaust. will gain enough hp advantage by installing x-pipe one this restrictive sytem thanks. mark 
29095 re john block scaling problems with bbss setup 97bubba no i am not psycic psycho maybe after a few adjustments and the adult beverage waiting period. concensus will be ahh it's close enough lol. dave 
29096 re stock exhaust opinions rich walling i would try the x with 2 tail pipes. 
29097 re new track rule high gear starts only. . burt brown we ran into this same thing many years ago because the powerglides were doing low and ones running with standards balling their eyes out they having to clean engines trying keep them in bogging on restarts automatics beating restarts. most of tracks not only band my at circle all together. i helped erie speedway deside what do wrote officals owners techs that no longer build automatics. our local raceway 7 had over 50 transmissions there any given night. haven't been plus don't miss it. www.burtbrownracingtrans.com 
28280 re engine oil temp john oeltjen we were having the same problem and found out this year when freshened motor had to turn crank for first time rod journals over 3 4 of a thou. taper towards middle. was new eagle built about 120 nights on crank. looked closer could see rods been rubbing together little bit. tried different bearing types last years hand fit them thinking trouble with large fillit radius giving us clearance issues. 
28281 re engine oil temp bap33 it is my best guess that you have no problem. tape over the gauge take out and run hard. winter time here if makes through open-comp season can this winter. there anything wrong should show in filter. cut open. a bunch of glitter kinda bad. some ok - matter what these other guys say. lol 
28302 re trailor wiring------webkitformboundary3ei0+xdv racer_dave sounds to me like you have the running light wire on left tail connected brake which is then ghosting right too. check see and are correctly. 
28303 re c.c.w. comparison of banking angle track j block actually there should be less total side to weight transfer on the higher bank. chances are you saw a bigger differece at front because model has more roll couple.  while it is straight forward question answer not so easy. first what was much better about handling 
28304 re trailor wiring------webkitformboundary3ei0+xdv j block what's with the funny name title 
28305 re trailor wiring------webkitformboundary3ei0+xdv rich walling it sounds like the current is searching for a ground. make sure ground wire secure. 
28306 re c.c.w. comparison of banking angle track todd on the higher banked car turned better. our regular lower gets very tight in middle.  i was just wondering how effects front to rear roll stiffness relates banking. 
28351 re bleeding twin tube shocks that sat on side boas51 i am assuming the shaft is bottom 
28352 anybody ever run a mini truck kenneth local track has new class- texas twister. basicly stock 4 cyl class. looking at ranger mazda for the easy to find motor parts as 2.3 's are everywhere. also thought about s10 metric suspension is easily obtainable. any thoughts 
28386 re transmission question mnmale1972 thanks burt. i was just reading about the direct drive and wondering if this might be what they are doing. how would tech for both classes run purely stock so not legal but am a official catch it short of removing transmission.  our rule says any gm mass produced must have functioning torque converter all gears as well park. to build one or claim these guys see...lol help. 
28387 re transmission question burt brown it depends functional converter by some rules means the coverter must rotate does but its hollow say have a drain plug and few squirts of fluid will get them tech or they would put heat gun on to see if gets hot this one may catch i know another way around that too. rule pisses me off when was doing alot direct drives automatic run real torque alright for standards ram triple disk clutches. thats stupid your allowed drive are not push start set up you can standard should be legal really e comes track rules. add weight car. only time change is an turns tide beats at their own game. usually nonfunctional weighs same as clutch makes even until starts win races then all sudden in illeagal. 
28436 re topic of the week - p h bar split 97bubba fortunatly for both bobby and lefthander is head fabricator shop foreman. as well one he a driver. represents company very in on track. dave 
28437 re topic of the week - p h bar split swaybar i guess i'll add my thoughts on since started it. it always helps me to reason out an idea write down anyway. just clarify refer a right side chassis mounted bar. like ted said understanding about is that mainly effects two things lateral movement in relation rear end when car rolls and squats roll center height. more angle higher leads leftward or likely rightward during squat. less may cause left-right-left talked about.  thing gets going hmmmm without data acquisition shock travel really doesn't tell you much if anything squat vs roll. see still pics at different parts corner looks pretty evident there be than end. either way principle holds true. course other effect raising increasing resultant change one comes mind panhard axle should move left statically. however from what measuring i've done miniscule with typical changes. so all being main question continue discussion this which only pronounced -the change. think rules. any body agree disagree 
28438 re topic of the week - p h bar split bap33 you are talking paved track and probably right.  on a dirt car having passenger side mounting point at below drivers mount creates more dynamic sidebite by transfering weight to r r. shorter faster transfer body roll is induced too. movement side-to-side increased with short i move about 3 left when hikes up 6 l drops down . mocked it in shop few times measure rear-steer. 
28480 re i'm here dirtrunner confused todd. you said your car handled well with a lot of preload but then at home track after couple laps it got tight in the middle and went away. tightness goes away or handling gets worse  still can't open my files i had put sway bar on worked great for 10 slower. different set up didn't use push was little loose coming out turns. looked both setups ccw weight transfer to see where could find happy medium. know what numbers are now so just work backwards get p out. go buy data acquisition let me borrow year lol. 
28503 re chassis flex anyone dirtrunner thanks john heard that story in the webinars or read it archives not sure. so only real way to tell is make a fixture something like you did and start flexing. 
28504 re stock clutch lawnboy thank you all. 
28512 re no oil pressure - please help rich walling take the pump apart and check to make sure drive gear is still attached. i had one come loose it was spinning on shaft. also relief valve not stuck open. 
28557 re brake pad preference rich walling i used to get the z rated pads at autozone. 
28558 re caster big john ackerman and bump i understand but wheelbase squaring changes whether your doing it with upper or the lower when you put in out. so let me get this straight as long we make adjustments using at shop check should be ok lowers without have any ill effect by is there other things concerned about 
28559 re brake pad preference 97bubba i have had really good luck with the raybestos quiet stop pads in 2 modifieds and several street stocks over past few years. they don't fade eat rotors are as feel braking power pf used to use that believe were 93's. work out great for me you can get them at farm fleet. dave  p.s. just checked one of mods seasons old barely worn no glaze look too. hot spots or small spider cracks. go can't wait spring. lol tell bored already 
28560 re brake pad preference richard 23 dirt or asphalt 
28587 re 604 crate lifter adjustment mnmale1972 .050 would not be zero lash. i don't have the spec book but everything found on new tells me here is a sheet.  www.crateenginedepot.com store pdfs ct400.pdf 
28588 re 604 crate lifter adjustment rich walling o.k. let me 'splain in desi's lingo what zero lash means. means that there is no space between the valve and rocker. hydraulic lifters have a piston where push rod sits inside lifter. it has to be set somewhere top bottom of its travel. distance i'm lookiung for. some racers at increase speed engine few hundreds before or float pump up. isn't looking thanks anyway for your trouble. 
28591 anti rear brake lock up dennis smith i was wondering if anybody has used the or slow down braking products and they did how work. race imca style mods on a asphalt 1 3 mile track am refering to sierra type same product. do work is it worth effort. thanks in advance. 
28592 establishing proper roll center in camaro matt hi guys  i've been a long time on-looker but am first poster. off i really apprecieate all of the valuable information that has given. i'm building super street for 3 8 12 deg bank mile track ga and curious about centers. cars must have relativly stock components front end we are allowed to change ball joints. know should shoot 3-1 2 currenlty form my 0-1 . told by some not worry others center. order establish calculated would need at least 1 taller balljoint on tops both arms bottoms. using longer studs bottom a-arms scares me little because it is going through bump off. do any you tips setup such as this thanks much 
28593 re establishing proper roll center in camaro swaybar be more specific when you say relatively stock parts.  can make your 1 2 work very well with the correct springs. i am certain of that. 3.5 might better but it's all total package. would disagree someone who tell that must have a center. howe makes ball joints interchangeable studs up to .5 longer .1 increments. place start. may also consider relocating inner pivot points on control arm mounts lower them if rules allow 
28594 re establishing proper roll center in camaro lm15 i don't worry much about static location. i'm more concerned with controlling the migration. suspension travel your car sees important rc movement becomes.  i've never worked on a front end. our fab clip asphalt late models are 2.5 up 15 left. through 3 dive 2 no data to backup those numbers just what picked base changes off of moves ground level and remains within laterally. it actually left slightly then as add input comes back right. this is 1 4 8mi around 10 banking. my winter project bring little right shooting for 8-10 while maintaining or reducing even more. top that trying decrease rf side scrub lf camber loss compared current setup. i'd also like flatten out upper arm think there's too angle at full it's causing alot unnecessary forces lf. wish me luck lol.... where's damn easy button can get everything looking good alright but when go dynamic goes apesh t me. lol ah well not thanksgiving yet. got all lose mind deal. 
28600 re 602 crate motor 97bubba i know of 4 that are at least 3 seasons old. one is 5 old and he has never freshened it yet. always really fast with many times last year 5th season . would say yes course how well was taken care rpm did see in its if you keep the around 6200 or less they seem to forever get faster 2nd 3rd year. dave 
28601 re 602 crate motor richard 23 what 97 bubba said. i bought one for 1500 carb to pan with 1.5 seasons on it. there are several over 4 years old at my track. don't turn it 6200 an change the valve springs winter and they will last quite a while.  that being said have seem 2 break after 10 races or so turning 6500. rpm float isn't their friend. 
28694 re camshaft oldgold the cam i now have is 15002 speedway 248int 256 ex 531and 535 lift at 106 duration 
28695 re camshaft oldgold professoinal products tall hurricane intake shoenfeld headers 2- 2.5 exhaust pipes to a howe muffler single inlet 4 inch out the 34 degrees timing 
28696 re camshaft richard 23 those intakes aren't real impressive but your cam is wrong for what you are doing.  call this guy a cam. he master with 2bbl cams. mike jones designs denver nc www.jonescams.com 704 489-2449 
28860 re change spring rate - calculate travle differen dirtrunner what size bar and how much softer springs 
28861 re ford rearend 7.5 inch chuck i am building a yahama trike from 1600 royale star tour deluxe. it has been fun project. thanks for the response. 
28862 re ain't heard a word kimmel is down bluestreak40 i also was there and noticed the same thing about rev limiter. why two different heights on that duckbill . 
28915 re anyone see the defnder head and neck at pri joe i spent about a lot of time with it pri. even brought my own helmet so could really get good sense how felt egress.  1. more comfortable than hans. 2. positive guides for belts device holds bit but never hung up in 20-30 'egress situtions' tried show. 3. sits higher on chest if you are extreme laydown car have large chin or barrel may some contact issues device. 4. adjustability to fit multiple settings is huge as one size fits all. 5. i'll most likely be switching from 
28916 fixing aluminum rad joe brand new with only about 10 nights on it apin hole in sent to a guy tig weld and all he did was blow row .can u knock some fins out buy apoxy fix thanks advance 
28917 re fixing aluminum rad rich walling read in once on how to fix an radiator. clean the radiator with brake clean. turn its side behind row rows be fixed. put tape over that are next holes. mix epoxy jb weld denatured alcohol thin it out. and pour into space will cover hole. a light bulb help harden epoxy. i have never tried it. neeeds repair but got around 
28918 re corvette c4 exhaust manifiolds 1984-1996 rich walling google brezinski and go to faq. 
28919 re steering not straight chris where do i find a center link that long stock is about 6 inches shorter to tie rod holes.  
28920 re caster gain roll center ted anti dive can be a good thing. mainly on realitively flat high brake race tracks. by using you run softer spring with out the suspension bottoming entry. this is why it used bbss set up. stagger left to right get different reaction entrance.  note that in stock clip car lowers angled as viewed from overhead removing very difficult. and does not cause front end lock up become rigid. same principle squat. i have never had anyone complain squat caused rear of go solid during acceleration. also if one looking for difference between when was how ran after modifications changes needs looked at. 
28921 helmets lawnboy hello again can anybody tell me the diferance between a 900.00 helmet and 300.00 just looking for good basic head protection . any thoughts or brand prefrance thank you. 
28927 re helmets 44dwarf sa had different impact standards for the eye port.  there more to then price. a good fitting helmet is important that how much you paid. it take years of be at its not done just measuring one head. fitter can look your head and suggest model would fit shape better others. go well known old motorcycle dealer get fitted properly. 44 personal i use agv kevlar fiberglass on road bell m2 forced air in race car. 
28928 re anyone see the defnder head and neck at pri 44dwarf ya i'm hope to get one myself. i came out okay after my spin flip this year but theres always a next time.... 
28929 re fixing aluminum rad joe thanks guys 
28930 re helmets richard 23 the snell representative told our track manager that m and sa impact standards are identical. 
28931 re fixing aluminum rad richard 23 i looked at what speedway has and it looks very close. don't know how temporary is though. have a radiator that fixed with stuff. it's run least 40 races been to 250 degrees 24lb cap which means built pressure the whole time hasn't leake an ounce. 
28932 re fixing aluminum rad mnmale1972 when ever i fill my cooling system putt in 2 tubes of alumaseal. it helps prevent the pinholes first place. 
29024 re spindle height guest impala is 4 1 2 
29025 re spindle height critter i guess should have asked a little different. impala spindles are suppose to be taller than the metric. is that from ball joint or center of axle and by how much different sorry for being so vague.  thanks ron 
29026 re richard dave hi i run the big chevelle are mounting points almost same on front end would it to much ask you what your upper and lower control arms angle do chevy balljoint in after market uppers stock mounts im asking because dont beliv my roll center will work with that soft of spring kind tire running we use 950 980 houssers thanks 
29050 re bolt right in lowers mopar20 i know u can use an ltd rt lower on a camaro metric 
29051 re bolt right in lowers 97bubba you have to use a spacer but 68-74 nova and 67-69 camaro are longer. i also believe that swap them from side side. other words on left because the novas camaros of those years steering was behind engine cradle crossmember. dave 
29053 re bolt right in lowers 34 you can use any lower want if to move the rear mount ...  but your opening a of worms ...what are trying accomplish ...just wider front end ...then why dont just get different wheel offsets..like zero offset better off using stock ...work on camber curve ..raise rollcenter as much can... real magic is rearend. 
29054 re spindle height 34 when you say the metric is same as 70's camaro ..do mean impala ..or monte etc 
29055 re spindle height dirtrunner small metric 78-87 monte reagle cutles.ect 
29058 re john block scaling problems with bbss setup j am i understanding this correctly you scale the car roll off scales and then back on numbers are different or do have to jack up put under tires  also your marked so tire hits same spot each time return zero when is tried standing used weights check repeatability directly floor using pads careful not turn steering wheel suspect a issue proceedure cause we had something like last year. granted there will be little differences rolling but in my experience it should more than pound two. 
29059 re cam-rocker ratios big bore if you run a 2bbl or 4bbl restricted motor it's common to higher ratio on intake side. stock gm rocker can be closer 1.45 than 1.5 as advertised. your rules call for rockers try sticking aftermarket 1.6 side only and often times will wake up class style motor. 
29060 re john block scaling problems with bbss setup jp what seems to be happening is ride height won't stay constant do the soft springs and stiff rebound shocks. we're not sure how solve this issue it's going make moving weight around very difficult let only putting wedge in or out. any ideas  we know a problem scales have another car conventional everything working fine. like has been said before isn't just bolt it on run lots of bugs 
29061 re john block scaling problems with bbss setup j just to make sure it is the car and not scales have you put on pointing other direction see if still right side of 
29062 re john block scaling problems with bbss setup jp no we haven't tried that...it just seems having the real soft spring in front of car strong rebound shocks makes ride heights very sensitive to height change. like jacking it up or someone leans on this is all understandable exception how scale car.  our tradional could bounce and down let settle would be close enough get accurate don't work so well what were trying find out stablize add remove wedge from without chasing tails 
29064 re richard ss monte 71 yes thats how ive always measured it for the leaf spring roll center.this car no matter what i do just doesent have forward bite.right now im running landrum springs with block in back.200 on left and 175 right rear.im hoping swap rear might help out.thanks again...this board is helpful. 
29065 re john block scaling problems with bbss setup swaybar you may already be doing this but one thing that is really important to establish routines for things like remain the same every time. example after make a change and before read scale settle car way whether means rocking it back or bouncing front then rear just sure do  me i wedge first sway bar neutral bounce scales. when am only worried about making ride height adjustment at screw jacks repeat process checking heights. 
29066 re bolt right in lowers 34 i would use the stock metric lowers..slot mounting point..get it out as far you need ..then weld washers to mounts ..  have never been a fan of using camaro type spindle on metric...the arm isnt same and will mess with your bump steer ..and there heavier.. can also slot lower upper control points well...it doesnt take alot.. good luck 
29067 re richard 34 i think your spring swap is a good idea..are these mono leafs ..or multi's 
29068 re john block scaling problems with bbss setup j swaybar is correct a consistant proceedure very important.  i'm just trying to make sure i understand the problem. it that you read numbers and then put car back on scales they are differet if so can give observed sometimes spot problem by seeing before after numbers. 
29076 re john block scaling problems with bbss setup dirtrunner 97bubba you are correct missed the latemodel part. 
29077 re bolt right in lowers richard 23 camaro spindles are heavier but they don't bend near as easy the metric spindle. bump steer is jacked up car anyway it needs work no matter what you do. 
29102 re stock exhaust opinions 97bubba when we raced a similar rule package i made an x pipe exhaust. after it got destroyed in infield excursion over tractor tire lol . didn't have the motivation to make another one or even cut and repair so went with 2 tube straight back into cherry bomb glass packs same mufflers on both about 18 from rear end. lap times were xpipe seem do much. now if you wanted step say 3 -2.5 -2 all steps 6-8 long would get little. not sure be worth it. know that was time effort for me. dave 
29103 re stock exhaust opinions fstock what about a 2 into 1 is worth the time or just keep my straight back 
29104 re bolt right in lowers dirt racer i'm pretty sure 68-73 not about exact years novas will work if you can find them. 
29105 re stock exhaust opinions 44dwarf two tail pipe no problem use a 2 to 1 y like you made feed it in expansion box with outlets. there are calculators on line somewhere tell how long make the intermediate pipe. 44 
29108 re stock exhaust opinions mnmale1972 thanks for your opinions. 
29112 re stock exhaust opinions big bore dca in wisc. has some inexpensive x pipes all many sizes. google racing. they specialize metric race cars. 
29114 important message to all j block you may have noticed some gibberish which is the first step of spammers showing up here in our community. this racing community yet there are people that go out their way cause us grief. we don t bother them but they make an effort and it because i ve blocked thousands ip address from reaching board work find a post messages . once again had crank keep these low life scum earth animals types challenge bastards out. so please be patient if naughty word filter snags your message. does just email me will help get through filter. thanks john 
29115 re important message to all ja keep up the good work john. we really appreciate your efforts. 
29120 sorry j block for the black out. i was able to determine that yesterdays spam attack comming fom indonesia or at least part of it . turns out there are these bastards in india and world harvest ip address vunerable hacking then post them other spammers. spammers use hacked flood si tes like ours with junk slow us down. its s hit head when you come around lap him he put wall on purpose. 
29122 re thank you dan riley just a minute to say john..... 
29123 head casting question mnmale1972 anybody run into this or have any info about it i 2 sets of heads that are 598 numbers....but on the bottom runner both has a 441 and an x these suppose to be same as throw them away did search mortec they listed but no other info. thanks. 
29128 bbss sway bar sharpshooter i am thinking of trying to gather parts swap over a metric car setup. what year model has the appropriate 1 4 use is there any modifications needed or mounts thank you in advance. 
29135 re sorry lucifer what goes around komez around... karma is a biyatch 
29136 re stock exhaust opinions lucifer 2 into 1 is worth the time. i have 2-1 siamese for about 18 inches two 3 inch glass packs. works good. 
29138 bbss help rich walling i'm thinking about trying the setup this spring. i have researched somewhat and am wondering if missing anything. so far besides front springs anti-sway bar changes bigger rr spring know should look at pro dive anti camber gain akerman rear roll center shock rebound bump cross weight is there any thing else 
29139 re bbss help swaybar looks like you've got the topics pretty well covered. we're still learning setup but from what i've found some of those things change very little and a ton relative to conventional setup. 
29140 re bbss sway bar dirtrunner call your local dealer and ask them for the rpo code i had it but lost it. ss monte them. 
29141 re bbss sway bar rich walling you can shorten the arms of and make it s t i f e r. john used to have an excel program on this that computed rate bars. don't see now. copied pasted a while back. work backward find dimensions needed if p r o g m or just do math. 
29142 re bbss sway bar sharpshooter thanks guys i just remember someone telling me to get a smokey and the bandit type car it would bolt up nicely. but was looking specifically for what that year group if is true statement. 
29144 b.b.r.t. picture slide show page burt brown www.burtbrownracingtrans.com asp pictures.php 
29151 spam mnmale1972 apparently it is still a problem. there anything we can do collectively to help 
29152 ignore it j block don t look at the posts that s what they want. is primarily a nuisance this board only text notes so we are all safe from an attack on our personal machines. i have plan just takes huge bunch of work my part which means m not doing should be to make living. maybe their deal. 
29158 602 power steering joe what water pump do u have to use when putting a aftermarket on long or short 
29160 did you all get a dirt forum email j block how many of got an from the to join i one they sent it my aol address but adress joining. 
29161 re did you all get a dirt forum email swaybar i didn't one. 
29162 webinar info j block well its time to do the webinars again. we are going try a new web conference system that looks slicker than freshly watered track. go www.auto-ware.com webinar_home.html for more info. even if you don't have data acq extra will pick up is worth your time. pleas take look and give it strong consideration. thanks jb 
29164 re did you all get a dirt forum email ja me neither 
29166 re head casting question dirtinla redo a search on mortec for 441x 3932441x...69-70...350 400......80cc chambers 80cc would be horrible investment imho 
29167 re head casting question anonymous1 not after you mill them to 74cc 
29168 roll center ed i would like to know opinions on the location for a 2004 modified lefthander raced 1 2 mile track with about 9 degrees of banking. 
29169 re roll center ed tis is a asphalt track 
29170 re bbss camber gain alan on the left front-.5 to 1.0+ rf2.75--3.25- degrees camber. always use tire temps make final adjustments. 
29176 re intake heat shield critter2 that was kinda my thought. thanks for the input. ron 
29177 re intake heat shield rich walling i would suggest you call randy brezenski at castheads.com. may get a different answer. 
29178 re intake heat shield mnmale1972 i always take them off to have the cleaned. but back on. could b wrong that helps keep carb area cooler....less vapor lock or fuel boil. was my thought. anyway if you other intakes with shields come fairly a hammer and sharp chisel tham ppound rivets into itnake want use. 
29179 3rd link spring location dennis smith would anyone know if the pull bar should be in front of axle centre line or behind it afco says 1 to 3 inchs steve smiths book and 12 13 above does matter that much. mile asphalt mod. thanks advance. 
29180 re head casting question dan riley why go to all the trouble and expense as well weaken castings throw off your surface angles. they're low octane 400 truck heads. start with something better it will cost less in long run. just cause you already own them they happen have an x on doesn't make any good for racing. can put a pig silk dress but at end of night what actually is dress....... not princess......imho.....good luck.......dan 
29181 re head casting question rich walling i wish i'd known about the pig in silk dress before had all those beers. 
29182 re intake heat shield dan hersey i put a stainless under the entire manifold to keep fuel air charge cooler. it works 
29183 re bbss camber gain jracer98 thanks. jay 
29184 re intake heat shield oval olds randy b probably uses them to hide his cheater mods. anyway if we are talking small block chevy the tin is keep oil from being cooked by exhaust crossover. in a race app with blocked cross over keeps some hot heating intake. but there isn't much splash this area though sort insulation would need be installed have major effect on temps. 
29185 re 3rd link spring location 34 there are many designs and applications ..the smith books pretty much vague in that they try to cover alot of different ...best bet would be contact the manufacturer....if you use an afco...do what tell ya ..etc.. good luck 
29186 re intake heat shield 34 well said oval olds ... i havent seen an aftermarket with a on it ..so you must be talking stock ..like was above me ...get the good gaskets tin exhaust cross over block off and done ..put in lifter valley tray if ya want..that will do same thing help oil drain back... luck 
29187 re 3rd link spring location dennis smith ok thanks for the info jesse i do have a afco pullbar. 
29188 re 3rd link spring location dirtrunner if the pull bar starts at axle center line and moves 2 inchs behind it's going down hill. lowing rear of car a little gravity lower. 
29189 re intake heat shield critter2 dan is this a purchased part or something that you fab yourself thanks for all the responses ron 
29190 re head casting question mnmale1972 my grandpa told me you can polish a turd all want but it will still be thanks for the info.......anybody need boat anchors lol mark 
29191 re 3rd link spring location dennis smith ok so if i start with the pull bar in front of centre line it would increase rear lift and put more weight on tires acceleration thanks 
29192 excuse me while i vomit scott am so danm sick of napcar and the season hasen't even started they have a cartoon character for their racing series digger my gawd when will it stop i'm as liberal next fellow but you'd think there were lot blacks around racin since do level best to include many possible in wwf like promos . generally only time ever saw black at race is if took them that taken queers fat people smelly old fart with no toes an equal oppertunity fan npacar bothers some reason it's outreach ...what...more money well anyway they'll probably get basketball goals pits now slack relaxation gotta go buy keith urban song about swear though said nigger first damn poor choice words he kinda dark pr person needs hatchet this siht just gettin better then fiction 
29193 re did you all get a dirt forum email lucifer not me 
29194 re 3rd link spring location dirtrunner i didn't say more weight the distribution of you have might be different. what does your car need now ht tp www.auto-ware.com autoware-bin techarchive.pl noframes read 21132 remove space between t's 
29195 re excuse me while i vomit rich walling the race was supposed to start at 1 00 pm central time and because of all wwe stuff they didn't engines until after 2 30. good thing illinois- indiana sorry hoosiers basketball game survivor man on so could miss bs. 
29196 kyle has taken smiling classes scott he acted so nice after little e reamed whatshisname and caused a big crash while lap down . i like but he'll never be the driver his dad was hasn't earned popularity with any accomplishments other then having name this danm 18 year old punk lagano whee hele did come from who bought ride paid due one is in biggest race of will say reminds me petty kinda looks richards love child....hmm maybe...lol well on summer run my new ... hate to admit it....front runner got tired seeing hondas win everything decided put 2.2 cavalier togeather if you machine dishes out 18cc use 6 cylinder rod....whats funny friend hates loved death even went funeral whats really strange pastor had same as buddy guess it'd ok post it john awfully good racer winning couple salem spdy championships cozart one's passer saw absolute best 3 turns ever up at 32 banks flat left rear leading finished last mile half three sprint car didn't know him time thought idiot goina wreck stood awe when made those full bore liftin early just burped normal cranked sideways trailing smoke third can believe tire fall pieces ............anyway point gonna that lot drives more anyone else gets kind emotional response fans or mostly every close would piss moan about driving style said exactly your idol e..and does whiner now tryin change image drive stuck smirky spoiled look isn't pretty enough popular way all needs butt whuppin think he'd shape right too 
29197 that shield is to protect oil scott not keep heat off the bottom of intake...on a stock intake . there passage across plenium riser typically blocked manifold gets so hot cokes up it's cooler reverse they are pouring by design make fuel vaoprize better especially in cold weather it really screws older carbed cars when heatriser carbon i wouldn't have believed till messed with 350 wrecker ran like crud blubbering and fat until clean 
29198 how do you know it works scott have an intake temprature sensor if really then should had to rejet the carb . this did anything you'd think manifolds would come with a heat barrier like henium coating or something of that nature stuff is magic ask me i remember picture guy holding some thin metal in palm his hand and torch on gettin air temp down good thing being able verify lower also i'm curious as what convinced shield working only took 10 degrees off it'd be worth effort 20 30 wonderful 
29199 re stock exhaust opinions scott we ran an x and did the same thing you infield trip broke it off clean across made a two into one shorty shane said better after fell so i didn't bother to go hunt up other part of overpriced pos in . 
29203 re kyle has taken smiling classes heloguy i think little e is being held back by his crew chief. he may be family but there are better out 
29204 re kyle has taken smiling classes scott that's an intresting observation and i hadn't kept up with nascar that much rebelled quit paying my cable bill so they turned it off have been sending me demands for a year now can kiss hard cold tv . little shop wanted to watch racing while worked acted like had sports bar was entertaining hundreds their product were charging way too finally able go turkey kick the habit missed lot of last 
29205 re kyle has taken smiling classes scott i thnk i'lll come up to shakopee and check out the races this year need a vacation . do they run front wheel drives yet it looks like frontrunners are going be next big thing for awhile bombers enduros used catching on pretty strong down here anderson pays same as our track does figure eight division them sounds your car is legal sportsdrome maybe you ought make trip just hell of woud closer running 30 banks 1 4 mile makes some damn strange fig 8 racin slow bank transtion from infield then floor till climbs top about center turn burp get turned swoop eagle onto straight by time hit flat it's way late try stop better have that decided earlier accidently hot lapped thinking was oval practice screwed twice chickened after shoulda made my decision had tires smokin ripped litttle seat with pucker steel 
29206 re kyle has taken smiling classes mnmale1972 we have a four cylinder enduro class and they started weekly 4cylinder last year are definatly popular right now. come on up here watch soem racing it is fun little track. if gas stays down i might to think about trip the sportsdrome. am pushing hard for 2 championship this year......i should never said that. but always been competitive in enduros figs keeping getting better. so gonna try keep both cars going strong see what happens. let me know when you coming up..... 
29208 metric 200 mnmale1972 so i have been informed that this is the newest biggest adn baddest way to go......i was told has 14pounds less rotating mass than a glide true and if run first or second gear are they durable why throwing them away for ten years my guys says he can build good dyrable what do you think burt anybody else runnign one mark 
29209 re metric 200 burt brown mark if you are having problems with 350 turbos holding up good luck the plastic and coffee can tin design of 200. not only have i been junking 200s still junk them to this day. wouldn't run one in an enduro type set but argue don't build transmissions. last time built was a chevy chevette behind 4 cylinder. then gm started using their full size cars olds 98 88s buicks chevys we were swapping out because they normal general driven stock automobile. could be wrong he is building for price all do try it. 
29210 re metric 200 mnmale1972 that has always been my opinion of them...that is why i junked them. just about every caprice or impala have made into a race car came with 200. thanks for your burt. it backs up original thoughts. can't win if you don't finish. 
29211 re metric 200 22racing i put a 3 speed in my thunder car. it was full size chevelle with 350 that 30 over flat tops cast heads intake exhaust quadrajet made maybe 300hp or so and worked very well. we had rear-end gear rule the supposed to have lower ratio 2nd than think 1.57 vs. 1.52 which gave me bit better final drive for getting off corners. if you used auto could 3.23s powerglide only use 2.73s. completely rebuilt by tranny guy new torque converter about 500 total here ontario canada 2 seasons before selling car its still now has 4 plus few specials. don't any huge performance advantage but definately is lighter every little counts. run on high banked 8 paved oval. being said one of competitors saw what thought an he went out got too built same even blew apart first night take your chances guess 
29212 re metric 200 oval olds 200's had a problem with the band being applied while direct clutches were still holding during 3 - 2 down shift. same occurs up. first gear is also lower than 350 2nd marginaly lower. turbo v6 buick guys run 4r overdrives on their drag cars good success front half of train as 200. 2-3 3-2 overlap isn't issue track and besides it only has to shift 4 times pernite. hot lap sessions heat race feature i've got lock up converter modified pump allow lockup in ready go into my full size 77 car once i change clip. 
29213 re metric 200 burt brown i rebuilt my first in the late 70s early 80s and laught through whole rebuild of what a pos it was. glide 350 turbo are far better then 200. concern would be finishing race or brake out bag hi-dri 
29214 valve springs heloguy looking at replacing the in my motor. its a 355. cam is vacuum rule 390 410. most we ever turn 5400. what seat pressure open and rate should i be for. stock size only. speed pro has their vs739r edelbrock 5703. are these adequate can't go too big because heads not allowed screw studs. any help appreciated. cheers 
29215 gearing up ray baker just wondering how many are and raring to get started on the new season we here at danny crumpjr racing getting everything ready about kick off some real testing. i hope all of you have a great meet your dreams. good luck 
29216 re valve springs 34 try speed talk ...thats where all the big name motor heads reside these days. 
29217 re gearing up lm15 i'm getting burned out already lol car 1 is mostly ready just paint vinyl and setup. 2 the body 3 4 done. still need to build air box exhaust wire msd radiator mounts plumb oil cooler. a bare chassis that got back from powder coat today. it's kinda cool looking at new hasn't even had hole drilled in it yet though ...and i thought driving someone else's stuff was gonna be easier lol. can't complain though. i've never been more excited go racing chance get behind wheel of this good before 2009's fun 
29220 re valve springs gene i hope they allow you to drill the head and stud so can put a 1 8th roll pin in them i'd go with trw oem replacement 
29221 re gearing up racer_dave my chassis goes to get powedercoated next week. other than that... i have the new fuel cell motor tranny bellhousing ready go. some parts need be cleaned still. shop isn't heated so 3 weeks of -20 weather put a crunch in shop-time. this week has been 30's but i've had flu nothing got done. really looking forward running modified for first time after 20+ years full bodied cars. 
29222 re valve springs guest contact isky. there are only a few companies still making in the usa. you named probably re-stamping aftermarket springs. edelbrock certainly doesn't make isky has done of experience with stock lift rule cam motors. have diameter various rates. big key is camshaft they can grind some hp into .390 .410 that will help ton. 
29223 re gearing up todd we are getting close to being done. the motor back soon. got new bodywork almost complete. have concentrated on shaving weight off our car this season. managed get 60 pounds of it. it is amazing how little stuff that you don't really think about adds alot weight. hopefully will be done before head out bristol watch cup guys. 
29224 re how do you know it works dan hersey yes is a piece i fabbed myself. and no not have an intake temp sender. who knows if really but does keep any hot oil off the bottom of intake. it's held on with two stainless bolts drilled tapped into exhaust crossover aluminum heads egr holes in them like stock ones. 
29225 re how do you know it works rich walling with restricted motors need every advatage can get. maybe dosen't help that much but don't hurt either. 
29226 re gearing up dirtrunner my chassis is painted the motor in front suspension on it's all wired up. i hope to get new body next weekend. setback today used grand national floater bent. know got contact with seller and he said would take care of it. 
29227 re gearing up dirtrunner my chassis is painted the motor in front suspension on it's all wired up. i hope to get new body next weekend. setback today used grand national floater bent. know got contact with seller and he said would take care of it. 
29228 gear drive dave42 i was just getting ready to order new parts for my motor started thinking about a instead of timing chain. anybody have any experiance or opinion on drives 
29230 re gear drive richard 23 you get alot more harmonics transfer with a although the timing is often smoother. if are wanting to upgrade over double roller chain go belt. i don't like gears personally. 
29231 3 link metric rick anybody had experience with a in panhard bar i am converting mine over as they have gotten rid of street stocks at my track and now sportsman still having stock frame but shocks mounted out side spring. trying to make car wider more stable the only chevelles camaros ford ltd chassis shortened. always finish top 8 22 cars 
29232 re 3 link metric swaybar i can't give you much in terms of details because we run a leaf car. however when the metrics were allowed to switch 3-link setup at our track one guy that was running definately got faster. are required stock lower arms with an adjustable upper arm and panhard bar. shocks location. it is worth your time effort make conversion. 
29233 re 3 link metric dirtrunner i ran a metric- full frame with 3-link in the rear for 2 years. it was ok but not great. didn't like lower arms being towed too much steer. have clip tu be chassis now this 8 when track is tacky it's dry-slick forward bite could better. one guy went from to leafs and liked only at my track. i'm going year see what happens. run on dirt so sure which suspension would better that black stuff lol. tried many panhard bars short long jaybar even had hooked up setup right side left axle questions do you 
29234 re gearing up mnmale1972 i have the left rear quarter off. transmission out heads off and front clip springs ball joints out. am farther ahead right now than ever been before at this time of year....wich means will probably get car done day test tune...lol thanks for all help input guys 
29235 software test and demo j block hi all as a part of the race car college we are starting now have cool new system that allows me to run on your machine or mine others can sit in watch at same time. i would like try this wednesday evening. if you interested let know will set it up. thanks john 
29239 rocker ratio dennis smith hey everyone 355 sbc stock 882 heads 76cc 450 lift cam rule 4412 carb marine intake flat top pistons block not decked stroke am ready to order roller rockers i have read that 1 6 on the and 5 exhaust will make power has anyone tried it or just go with all around. sry if already been posted put up archive would be great. looking for thoughts this. thanks need any advantage can get last place impressed her loans officer. again 
29243 re 3 link metric rick i removed the cross member between springs and will build a support bar to secure spring buckets. next question is on lenghts of lowers versus upper 3rd link. this car have about 24 inch long 26 inches. that be too somewhere today read should 75 lower lenght true thanks 
29244 re rocker ratio dennis smith hello mn we have to blow 155 comp. max. stock head no porting or matching 360 cu. max cast iron intake 2 barrel. i am looking make this motor last and thats the reason for rollers plus if they change rules can upgrade cam later. does not see much past 6000 just thought could maybe sneak in some ponys at same time. comp cams-242 duration 255 exhaust valve lift-.45 .453 106 lobe centre line. any other ideas you im all ears thanks fast response. 
29245 re software test and demo j block i can't keep up with my email so here is the link you all can use to join https autoware.ilinc.com tftsffw we will start at 8pm est - 7pm cst 6pm mst 5pm pst wednesday 25th log in about 5 or 10 minutes early get template loaded on your machine then are looking computer screen feel free even if didn't contact me earlier pass a friend. 
29246 bent spindle critter2 i have several spindles lying around and i'm not sure if any of them are bent. how would go about checking none seem by looking to be the rotor seems run true but that could a misconception. is there way measuring them. thanks for help ron 
29247 re bent spindle dirtrunner i don't paint my metric spindles so can see the rust flake off when it gets bent. buy some savers to keep in garage check arms if you have metric. 
29248 re 3 link metric dirtrunner so the bigger rr is to control body roll not do with weight transfer 
29249 re 3 link metric dirtrunner is this for asphalt in one of steve smith books he talks about the 3-link. longer lower arms less rear steer if set-up correct and sensitivity to bumps. i've seen mods with uppers 20 inches 45 long lowers different length. john has some good programs you need get. 
29250 re bent spindle critter2 i've heard talk about savers but never really knew what they were for. guess i should check into it. the spindles that m talking are mid to late 70's camaro nova. i'm planning on using them my metric want make sure there is nothing wrong with first. while asking will calipers fit these brake lines etc... same thanks for responding ron 
29251 re 3 link metric swaybar that is correct. the formula to figure weight transfer uses four components lateral acceleration g force total of car center gravity height and track width. springs don't determine how much transferred in corner but they do chassis behaves while being roll. i hope said correctly. lol 
29252 re rocker ratio bill don't quite understand your post. you state in the first few words that have a .450 cam lift rule. if currently obtain this with 1.5 rockers going to 1.6 will increase and make it violation of 
29253 re bbss camber gain sport9 why not have both wheels at the same under full compression 
29254 crown victoria frames sport9 anyone on here running any of these things i ran a 94 in street stock with alot success. now i'm 1998 shortened to 108 against bunch metric's decent as well. just wondering if there were front steering suspension tips advice lessons learned could share. 
29256 re bent spindle kenneth i did the swap on my 78 regal. calipers will not fit and brake hose is different but work. you must use camaro bolt through bango be sure to good cooper washers. also moved lower mount out right side. cut new holes welded washers over it making look like a repair. was killer getting enough camber without moving bottom arm even with an offset shaft. this all by mememory from 7-8 years ago so....... 
29258 re 3 link metric ted one thing to remember springs shocks swaybars roll centers don't control how much weight is transfered. unless we get large changes in cgh. but for the most part this isn't a big factor. that being said while swaybar etc doens't much. it does where goes. stiffer rr will load more reduce rf reducing roll. just as raising center reduces increases loading. which better depends all have talked mid turn. entery and exit also be affect only different ways. rc less influence when pure braking acceleration. may good or bad. on driver preference track layout etc. 
29259 re software test and demo mnmale1972 wish i was available tonight. can't wait to hear how it goes. 
29260 re bbss camber gain alan you fellows are too smart for me the reason more in right front is -the being heavy loaded has a tendicy to roll over more. could that be air pressure speaking of lf object keep car down all way around track which elininates most gain. high rebound shock on with 500lb spring lr helps do this. iam sure there others here know about this subject than my self. probably showing how ignorant i am. 
29261 re crown victoria frames dan hersey buy one of john's front-end geometry programs build it accordingly and let er' rip 
29262 re gear drive 97bubba i have used a whenever can. yes you do get some extra harmonics but never had problem with them. the cam timing stays consistent and it wont stretch. they are really cheap now cheaoer than good chain set. one in my current engine for past 2 seasons. work great. balancing rotating assembly is must. dave 
29263 exhaust manifolds.....new dan riley for all you guys who must run stock cast iron manifolds. i have found a set of manifolds which are the best i've seen yet. my hauler is 1987 chevy 2500 with small block. recently pulled engine replacement and today went to clean-up only find one was cracked in two places. seems like air pump pushing too much manifold got looking it about melt. upon inspection realized that both these biggest inside diameters ever any manifold. really surprised at volume things. whole factory system 3 from y pipe last resonator where splits into over-the-axle pipes. next came search new sure i'm going be able get 22 year old truck. exactly guarantee right well made or money back on ebay. didn't bid it's distributor selling them straight out 45.00 per each. car time re-vamp many so when huge bench thought post this board. maybe will advantage add just tiny bit more power without cheating. wish gearing up great season.......dan 
29264 re valve springs 97bubba z28 contact engnbldrdotcom. he has some really good stuff. also racers outlet off ebay stuff and pretty prices. dave 
29271 re master cylinder options kenneth i can't answer that one as don't know. do know traditionally the front reservoir samller goes to rear while larger front. also understand why only brake. if you run a solid axle welded or spool then brake is controlling both wheels anyhow so might well get most use from your system. on dirt we would crutch car by not hooking up left help with corner entry. drive it in hard and stab brakes set for corner. am sure wasn't right safest thing but made my pos work like should. will notice there are couple of holes foot lever. manual other power. make manual. you'll have heck time stopping don't. 
29272 re rocker ratio lucifer you have to read the rules for what they don't say... call a .450 lift cam it doesn't say anything about valve can lift... watch push rod interference with 1.6 rockers. machine heads tic where comes through and it's best use guides. 
29273 re exhaust manifolds.....new richard 23 thats the one i thought it was. this is 3 4 ton specific. thanks dan 
29274 re exhaust manifolds.....new dan riley fyi..... the numbers for stock factory parts are as follow right side.....14093654r.h. 4 left side.....14093683l.h. 
29275 re master cylinder options gene yeah what kennith said about pedal ratio. 
29276 re master cylinder options joe i was going on the assumption that you were running a stock system. and by switching lines mean hooking front line of to back vice versa.you will need adapters cuz they are different sizes. it put more pressure rear brakes so dont keep burning up brakes. 
29277 re 3 link metric rick wider on the rear end now would it be better to move mounts in parallel with frame 
29278 re 3 link metric rick 4 swedges heavy enough or should i fab some of 1 inch 3300 car sweeping asphalt 
29279 alternator question joe running a 602 crate in my street stock this year and was just wondering if i really needed to run or not is it with good charged battery ever night thanks 
29280 re alternator question dirtrunner i've seen it both ways i will always run one. the distributor is made to use 14 volts not 12 even though you can volts. 
29281 re alternator question swaybar one of those hotly debated topics over the years....almost as controversial what brand oil you should use. i agree that ignition systems run best with 14 volts but also believe there are many more gains to be made in corners than down straights. because generally let numbers laps our feature races deciding factor for me. we have car runs 40 lap features. don't an - optima red top battery and keep it charged. another 75 by end race can feel effect not running so car. just way do it. 
29282 re alternator question mnmale1972 depends on the ignition system you have. but personally i would never run without one. agree and understand swaybars arguement. what if's.......are to hard control. like cautions......what if take 20 caution laps hp lost by haveing is very equal gain having extra voltage of a functioning alternator. have seen people in my stock class lose races or not finish many times. plus am lazy don't want drag out charger every time. lol 
29283 re software test and demo mnmale1972 john how did it work 
29284 re alternator question 44dwarf i'd run one if it were me nothing big 20amps is plenty anything bigger a waste of rotating mass. 44 
29285 re alternator question 00joe i have ran with and without one. its fine out one but draining charging the battery like that every week is not best for it. stuck to running because less thing worry about week. amount of power you lose really noticable.....if need just bump guy outta way....lol...just kidding.........but seriously....... 
29286 re software test and demo j block being the first time it was a little rough. however has huge potential coolness factor off scale. several people said they were coming to session but didn't make so i think we will try again next week. 
29287 re rocker ratio 00joe .450 may be the cam lift rule but what about total valve size track flat or banked final drive you must take all this into consideration.if it as a smaller more power will hurt if cant put to ground. 
29288 re alternator question richard 23 i've run plenty without one but prefer it. get a stock 50 amp alt for cheap at your local parts store and put big pulley on battery charger will start collecting dust. 
29289 re alternator question lm15 i think the benefits of not having an slight hp gain and weight reduction are negligible at short track level. but it probably depends on your race length car type. in my personal situation see a performance with alternator. asphalt super late model 30-50 lap races about 100 laps per night electric radiator fan 2 brake fans i'm thinking adding for me cockpit. i've driven dead battery. that failed we didn't catch it. normally turned 77-7800rpm. half way through acted like had 6000 rev limiter missed so bad now even though have still hook up charger every night. it's stupid things going wrong cost guy wins championships. what worth sometimes take off belt qualifying. seriously doubt extra 5hp makes damned bit difference if gives little more confidence fastest out there i'll drive harder... can be everything when you're trying to lay down good time. 
29290 re alternator question rich walling volt meters are cheap. 
29291 re alternator question panel63 i think it was circle track magazine did a dyno test and took less than 1 hp to run the alt. 
29292 re 3 link metric dirtrunner the swedges should be fine. i would leave lower arms on axle where they are just lots of rear steer like that. move rr 1 4 forward to lesson steer. 
29295 re alternator question 22racing we use a waterpump with an built into it. made by company called racemate although we've had lots of trouble getting new ones lately the is hard to contact but they do work great 
29296 re alternator question joe my main reason for asking is with new car the k bar was built without a alt and it would take some screwing around to make fit....i just didnt know that running crate if i needed or not power....thanks guys 
29297 re alternator question todd we run our off the rear end. it seems to work really well. also keeps some weight front of car. 
29298 re 3 link metric rich walling i read in one of steve smiths tech letters a long time ago that the bottom to top control arms should be 1.85 1 ratio bottoms. we started with chevelle and shortened an extra arm about 11 7 8 used it for top. then fabbbed bracket 9 inch rear. bottoms believe were 22 inches long. mounted at 15 degree angle level. took 2+ seconds off original 4 set up. don't know if is neat trick todays technology but worked us. panhard bar was axle level went slighltly down hill chassis. 
29299 re steering quickeners dan riley i installed one in my first metric with 2 1 and it took some getting used to. suddenly went from like a truck to go cart. takes awhile for you realize don't need bully the wheel but afterward wouldn't want be out there without one. good luck.......dan 
29301 re steering quickeners 34 for a quick test to see if ya like quicker-steering ...try smaller wheel. 
29302 re 3 link metric 34 buy a chassis book ...you can really open of worms if you get things wrong ... 
29303 re 3 link metric rick why would the rear axle have steer based on mounting points being wider if my control arms are level but what will change.i notice alot of mods around here 15-20 inch lowers and a 45 upper bar that seems to work any theorys 
29304 re rocker ratio big bore some chevy oem rockers measure well under 1.5 another hp gain to look at. 
29305 re rocker ratio rich walling most chevy arms are abot 1.44 1. i have heard the pontiac 1.52's will work. but you must use 7 16 studs. 
29306 a arm front suspension class ready j block several of you wanted to know when the new from race car college would be ready. we are set for this wednesday 4th. go auto-ware.com get time details or call me 505-890-8708 ext 201 signed up. 
29309 porting stock exhaust manifolds todd we have to run cast iron manifolds. the rules also says no or polishing of manifold . what i want know is...how much gain could be expected from doing such a thing not that would break rules..lol...but bet others are...so how are they gaining by so thanks. 
29310 re porting stock exhaust manifolds dan riley i can't give you numbers but conventional wisdom demands we keep the flow as smoothe possible. a couple things jump to mind. first and easiest is port matching heads manifold. don't forget include gaskets. could open them up size of gaskets or go tad bigger. one has ask how do they check for make pull manifold let peek in this case matchimg shape gasket opening might be all can get. there another way along with this. remember name darned memory pump thick liquid through it's like valve grinding compound very abraisive it polishes gets pumped under high pressure. oh extrusion last thing many guys use cut y pipe two front pipes then add dual exhausts. wherever weld your together should sleeved into each other not butt welded. welding end leaves rough trashy edges slag inside where gas flows. example really good welder stick heavy on outside if inspect will have perfect bead also perfectly smooth welded blind well. that tubing so sleeve before welding. that's my humble opinion guy 35 years experience.......good luck.....dan 
29311 re porting stock exhaust manifolds richard 23 i ran under rules like that for years. while much of what dan riley says is true you are better off focusing on the camshaft to make more power with in my opinion. used beat 2-3 sets hand ported and brzezinski a pair untouched junkyard 94 suburban regularly was one accused cheating. even helped friends running get by tech them once because never worried about him. he so busy cheating always missed basics. attention detail will win racers. won't necessarily do that. 
29312 re porting stock exhaust manifolds dan riley with all that i've said aside i agree richard. you may not have the best flowing cast to start and what might be throwing good time money away. watch for a new post from me on in next week or so. think most guys miss mark basics myself included. we tend split hairs our equipment while keeping log of things done tried last adjustments made. also overlook need driver training class since it offends ego as are. freshen up engines should skills well. an open mind willing hand applied your driving technique give bigger gains than can do. always.....best luck you.........dan 
29313 re a arm front suspension class ready ted i would have to agree with both statements the webinars being very useful and lack of sleep that comes afterwords. ever read book just want ask question clarify something well here is your chance. get understanding you need right now. 
29314 re steering quickeners oldgold i used a 2to 1 on my asphalt mod with z box and hated it found myself zig zagging down the track was terrible but would try 1.5 without be fine think. 
29315 re steering quickeners 34 i dont like quickners either ...makes it feel a go cart ..also makes very easy to over steer correct loose car..but then again smaller wheel...boils down what feels comfortable you. 
29316 re porting stock exhaust manifolds todd thanks for both of your responses. i completly understand that this would not be more beneficial than other things. at our track corner speed will beat a little horsepower anyday. with being said...if every have some free time yeah right and know it worth the to get edge might think about trying it. again. 
29317 re porting stock exhaust manifolds richard 23 the first place i would look is how match up with heads. second be outcroppings for o2 sensors etc. 3rd roughness. 
29318 re master cylinder options panel63 be sue you get one for manual brakes the way it holds push rod is differant 
29319 re exhaust manifolds.....new dan riley i just got the replacement manifold. it looks like original as much volume inside. i'm happy with and i'd race no questions. good luck........dan 
29320 j bar oldgold how long of a j-bar do you guys run on your metrics remember i am 3 link with all cross members cut out above the rear end plenty room rick 
29323 re j bar rich walling are you running a quick change if can either run it from the frame to left side of rear end or longer one that fastens axle close control arms. ford 9 inch 10 bolt then i would suggest panhard behind about 39 inches long. 
29324 rear drum brakes joe whats the cheapest setup to put on a ford 9 inch.....we have run drums and not discs someone told me go with dodge intrepid shoes back making your own backing plates accept it....any suggestions 
29325 re rear drum brakes 97bubba you can still get new metric backing plates from autozone and advanced auto parts. just need a little fab work they fine. dave 
29326 re exhaust manifolds.....new mnmale1972 about the time you posted this thead i was in process of rtying to figure out best manifold use. have been told many try and everyone has a different opinion. ordered set these do like how they look compared side by with all other options just bigger. my new motor should be done weekend dyno appointment so am gonna thes manifolds late 70's logs mid 90's vortec will let know what numbers say. guy also confirmed that we found good ones. thanks for info dan 
29329 re rear drum brakes 97bubba what sway bar said is i did. only used new metric monte stuff from autozone. works great. the thing didn't like was fit on wheel cylinder. had to shimm it tighter with a sheet metal shim. also use washers under nut pin for top of shoes. think spent about 130.00 dollars whole setup shoes backing plates cylinders self adjusters and hardware kits. dave 
29330 re j bar oldgold why wont a work as well rear mounted panhard i have more room in front of the rearend than do behind with being straight across but it would angle back.i await your response on this am new to 3 link stuff. rick 
29331 re j bar oldgold forgot it is a 9 inch in metric 3 8 asphalt should give me lots of adjustability rick 
29332 re j bar swaybar longer bars don't react so quickly during chassis roll and generally make the car feel more stable because of that. i agree that a long is better. if it needs to have some fore aft angle fine. 
29333 re rear drum brakes joe thanks guys.see i dont have any old metric backing plates..just the ford 12 inch drums and setup now would like to convert it smaller stuff 
29334 re 3 link metric hugh thomas we have a street stock dirt car it has ford 9 inch rearend having problmes get any heat in the left rear can you tell me what i try to help. right no 
29335 re 3 link metric hugh thomas i have a street stock dirt car ican not get any heat in the left rear has ford 9inch raer end with chevy control arm they are after market we can change angel them for adjustment.do you thang try 
29336 re 3 link metric dirtrunner is this the stock 4 what are your scale weights springs and shocks 
29337 new and improved class ready j block thanks to all that helped kick off the first it was great sucess. we will start regular a arm suspension on 18th of this month. for more info comments from group racers go www.auto-ware.com don't forget - in name or you end up italy. john 
29338 re new and improved class ready ja john i was trying to sign up for the suspension but phone number won't accept calls from canada. what should call thanks 
29339 re new and improved class ready j block oops sorry. try this number 505 890-8708 ext 201 
29340 glide coupler with htd or gilmer hogracer3d looking to find a direct drive for that has pulley made into it an accessory like power steering fuel pump by machining hole in the housing. 
29341 spring question mnmale1972 our rule changed this year so we can not have a front with wire diameter over .750. the springs i been running are astro van that progressive rate and cut. these stock don't know what true is but specs ... load 2325 1025 am going to 1690 748 softer curious as of thumb should do back srings. just looking for aopinions. also use oem springs. racing allowed.....i they make appearing fronts parts sponsor get moog stuff next free. thanks 
29342 re glide coupler with htd or gilmer gene unless you go to an explosion proof after market set-up you're asking for problems. drag racers use those deals it wouldn't be hard install a drive pulley on pump drive. seems like lot of untested work small gain. 
29343 re glide coupler with htd or gilmer burt brown there used to be a transmission company called rtc that had these and sod setups. personally i don't like them because you have cut big access hole through the powerglide bell housing use this set up. will weaken case end up braking off. 
29344 brake bias help needed speedfreak going to install adjuster in car for the front brakes. also have gauges rear. my question is should i completley remove stock portioning valve and tee rear lines together running direct from master cylinder. will go through what do with thanks 
29345 re glide coupler with htd or gilmer roxbury racing if you want to contact me i have a used one drive and mounts for kse pump in stock. roxburyracing hughes.net 763-389-1150 jim 
29346 re glide coupler with htd or gilmer hogracer3d yea i thought about weakening the housing so we were going to cnc a block of aluminum that would act as doubler plate for hole and have mounting bracket pump built in it heli-arc case 
29347 re glide coupler with htd or gilmer hogracer3d if i machined out the pulley and welded it to drive would then have be heat treated stress relieved 
29348 re glide coupler with htd or gilmer burt brown not if you tig weld it. 
29349 9 inch ford drums joe whats the best and cheapest to get for a rear end that is 5x5 bolt pattern are they 11 or 12 drum...thanks 
29350 re brake bias help needed 00joe what kinda master r u runnin you should be able to run one line all the way rear and tee off back there like normal 
29353 center of gravity jp need a little help we're trying to find cg our latemodel. part the formula using wants front wheel weights together on all four scales then your suppose jack up rear 10 and take again. here is what we can't figure out get more weight when it that doesn't work in formula. 1377 4scales 1356 2scales no springs swaybar car have rods place coilovers. missing something. 
29357 re center of gravity dirtrunner your front is 1477 when it's on all 4 scales and 1356 jacked up if that's correct cog low. i jack mine under the rear axle with a floor jack. 
29358 re center of gravity ted i built a set pads 24 inches high. they are big enought to put the scales and roll off on them. this allows me car remove any side loading also use all 4 weights once is raised. by doing can check total weight make sure doesn't change. what front gained or loss rear shoud loose gain. just way take questions out process do quick sanity check. 
29360 re glide coupler with htd or gilmer gene keep in mind the pulley ratio drive is going to be bigger than normal fit over input shaft. 
29361 re glide coupler with htd or gilmer gene i just happened to run across one of those bell housings was thinking for your deal. here is the phone number listed it. good luck 614 679-5682 
29363 electric fans nitro was thinking about switching to a radiator fan this year. trying get some feedback on the pros and cons. tight 1 4 mile street stock. say less rotating mass off motor you can better air pull with others leave four blade so wont have worry not working out of race . is or one more thing break their any horsepower gain if thanks in advance 
29366 removal of short dowel pins racer_dave anyone know a trick to getting the out block drill them heat let me preferred method. thanks 
29367 re center of gravity jp that is how we did it under the rear until tires came off floor 10 . on all four scales lf was 719 rf 658 and after jacking 859 497 total weight 2814 without any fluids. 108 wheelbase just seems fun would lose instead gain went to left front. no springs or shocks in car. 
29368 re removal of short dowel pins dirtrunner i think there is a special tool for getting them out call your motor guy. 
29369 re center of gravity dirtrunner swaybar is unhooked dumb question i know. think my numbers did the same thing when doing mine are you using scales to figure cog 
29371 re removal of short dowel pins gene the tool is a slide hammer with colette to squeeze around dowel. you can tack stainless rod nut on them then wiggle out using 2 screw drivers i understand it preferred method in west by god virginia. 
29372 re electric fans eric nitro ive been running for years with no problem found the mechanical are a pain to schroud etc.the type i use is small 18 inch that mounts right radiator flanges and basically its bulletproof just make sure real good connections solder than heat shrinkwrap around all connections.i leave it on at times but have failed remember turn as long your racing motor ran cool. charge bat every week fully charged. will never run mech again. 
29374 re center of gravity jp no swaybar and yes on the scales 
29376 re center of gravity jp one formula calculator i've used comes up with 15.13 another i came 18.49 the 3 difference is what has me worried 
29377 rear rotors rick which rotor fits the 9 inch ford drilled for 4 3 bolt pattern i was told s-10 wd front year unknown or pontiac trans-am bandit turbo 75-85 my granada are too small metric brackets on need to be 11 
29378 zerk plumb bob dennis smith hello anybody know where to buy fittings that have the built in fitting they used call them bobs but i looked everywhere cant find sure would come handy. thanks alot for your info on my questions other things to. 
29379 re center of gravity dirtrunner what does the scales say your cog is 
29386 re center of gravity jp i think we might be talking about different type scales. here is one the formula calculator tried www.longacreracing.com articles art.asp artid 22 wheelbase 108 total weight 2814 no fluids front wheels level 1377 wheel after raising 1356 raised height 10 tire left 84.375 and right 86.25 cog from axle -8.667083858789055 ground 4.910822223738265 that doesn't seem even close you by jacking up rear there would more on not less. 
29387 re zerk plumb bob dennis smith thanks dave i guess will do the same thing as cant find these things anywhere. 
29388 how about this idea j block yes by all logical account the weight should increase on front specially for a stock car . underlying concept behind math is that as rear elevated cg pivoting around spindle. if above spindle height to start than it rotates getting close wheel's centerline. we go far enough will tip over before wheels are straight up 12 from front. so concept. however i can think of situation where numbers could down. assumes wheelbase constant and vertical support point at trig relationship triangle with hypotenuse wheelbase. had 5th coil or truck arms end floor jack actual contact maybe pinion snout forward part now axle centerline some other way providing lifting force even small amount then true has changed breaks down there be reduction scales. hope helps but repeat measurement sure. 
29389 re how about this idea ted yeah the only way it should go less on front is if cog below spindle height. or as john pointed out wheel base changing. one of biggest mistakes i see calculations that don't figure cgh above possible weight exactly same with car up down. might be true for a southwest tour modified. but stock would find hard to believe fronts are getting lighter without something going on. do you have scales under rears springs shocks in rear look can get and total same. also check base. lots camber maybe side load causing miss reading 
29390 re center of gravity dirtrunner the scales i use are ten yrs old rebco and you can go through same process do they will tell what cog is. does newer this 
29391 re how about this idea jp here is what we have portcity offset latemodel chassis winters quick change rear no shocks or springs solid rods in place. after johns posting played with where been jacking up the car problem for sure. proper place to jack guys tried from frame rail but that made numbers go right way just i don't think cog 150 inches off ground well at least are getting going adding front scales and loosing 
29396 john jack contact point jp hi we have been beating our heads against the wall with this finally figured out how to get proper numbers. after having car on all four scales jacked up and placed rear wheels 10 block nailed it. it seems was taking weight off right front. 
29397 re zerk plumb bob dirtinla just another suggestion to make your measuring a little easier. victory circle race cars had an article about 6-7 years ago in track showing what they called zerko-bob. did was take standard fitting knock out the check ball and cut notch threaded part so string from could be up through center of would allow come top screwed into balljoint with adjustable lower bob. you will also able replace stock zerko-bob measurements then regular after measuring. this takes all problems trying hold finger on hoping it falls straight down. is very hard explain but 5 minutes works great. came here archive thedirtforum dot com 
29398 re zerk plumb bob dennis smith thanks fred that is what i was after man 6 or 7 years ago im getten old. 
29399 steering quickner homer witch one is quicker the 2 to 1 or 1.5 and from speedway good should i go with sweet quickner. thanks every 
29402 re rear rotors richard 23 the s-10 is supposed to work. i'm in process of doing it myself except i dont have yet. 
29403 interesting reading mnmale1972 mark ortiz news letters if any of you have interst. www.2kgt.com markortiz 
29405 re steering quickner kenneth the 2 to 1 is quickest. 
29414 re serpintine belts 00joe the only problem that i would see with is you have to make sure belt in right grooves so dont wear on edges and start freying it. but than again it might be such a small offset wont difference. personally never been fan of serp setups cuz if loose everything.atleast v-belts throw one still got another run water pump. thats just my 2 cents for whatever its worth 
29415 muncie 4 speed front bearing ted have a that leaks grease out the due to no true seal. been told there is sealed on one side will dramatically reduce oil leak. anyone this number does any other ideas how keep from leaking it input shaft area. help appreciated. 
29416 power steering question joe is the return line on a sweet after market system that half way up tank and high pressure one comes right from pump to box thats i have it hooked now 
29417 re serpintine belts dirtrunner oojoe is correct. make sure it's in the correct groove. i've had to cut a groove off 6 fit 5 set-up. 
29418 re muncie 4 speed front bearing 00joe mrracingequipment.com it is a place i have used in wisconsin. the are best found for and saginaws. they very knowledgeable them. 
29419 re muncie 4 speed front bearing racer_dave riverside gear and axle is in grand rapids mi. i get all my stuff through them. sorry do not have ph usually catch them at a swap meet during the off season. 
29420 re power steering question gene return line is low no pressure 1 2 way up feed should be bigger and off the bottom of tank 
29421 re muncie 4 speed front bearing gene take the number to any supplier motion ind. here in mid west and they can cross it over a 1 side seal bearing. there is top bottom on retainer also its what throw out sets make sure oil drain of into case. 
29422 re serpintine belts panel63 use a goodyear belt they don't have the groves are flat on both sides 
29423 re muncie 4 speed front bearing paul e-mail me at pgutierr ebmud.com for a pdf catalog of the munice 
29424 a-arm webinar ja i took the opportunity last week to attend that john put on. found it be quite informative and well worth time a few bucks spent. i'd recommend for anyone who hasn't tried before. know i'll signing up again. thanks john. 
29425 re serpintine belts 00joe that maybe cool the belt is flat on both sides but pullys still have grooves. and they can cut right into could walk cuz has no grooves to guide it 
29426 re a-arm webinar mnmale1972 i was there as well and it worth every penny........ much more will attend 
29429 metric ride height heloguy i've always been told that he lower you put a car the better it will handle. i just done something goes against what believe is conventional thought. raised of my 84 monte carlo asphalt on right front to 8 inches and lowered left rear. figure this. expect have push when get track but can rid by raising rear also. would like are your thoughts theories doing work in long run. cheers 
29430 re serpintine belts 00joe i revert to my previous post about belt pulley alignment 
29431 re metric ride height 00joe i have run higher in the rf than rr on one night and lr another other night.just depends 
29432 re serpintine belts joe thanks for the info guys.....i ended up finding right size 5 groove.....but good to know future.. 
29433 re muncie 4 speed front bearing ted thanks for all the responses. we are going to try something soon as i get off road. tired of getting grease down car. 
29434 re muncie 4 speed front bearing paul seal number is 7412s it's called an input shaft goes in the throwout collar and rides on 
29435 re metric ride height bill hey heloguy are you racing dirt or asphalt 
29436 re metric ride height dirtrunner raising the right front added more cross and lowering left rear lowered cross. what did you accomplish except now your car looks like it has a train spring in lol. if have push is because camber went negative unless correct it. are thoughts as to why this will be better was wrong with before yes i run on dirt but i've been local asphalt track looked at how they set-up their cars low level. 
29437 re metric ride height rick53 if you run asphalt i think that is about 1-1.5 to high on the rf. just of how bad your camber curve going be 
29438 1986 mercedes 300e transmission problem tony i have a 300 e and instead of shifting at the normal rpms its late.it only has 146 000 miles on it. had flush fill done also new filter put in.still doesnt wanna work right.couple different mechanics looked it said isnt slipping all there s no metal in pan or signs where.when im driving itll start off kinda like first gear drive.then almost redline then shift into second 3rd so forth.what could cause this stumpped along with quite few car garages. an automatic trans just cant figure one out. 
29439 re 1986 mercedes 300e transmission problem burt brown if it is equipped with a on board cpu scan to see codes exsit there no add can of trans-tune by sea-foam the fluid then drive while standing still brakes go from reverse over and try free stuck valving may have valve or has kick down passing gear cable check it's sticking. i checke test drove scanned would be able help out better wrtting answers way tech board. 
29440 re metric ride height 00joe i run asphalt and we are not that level.i 6-1 2ish in left side 7-3 4ish on right side. took an car fl went to dirt with it......not so good....so you cant go by cars if a guy 
29441 re metric ride height 34 in the stock form lowering anything on a car is bad...like others have said it destroys your camber curve..lots of bind ..etc. where realy hurts rear ..it takes an already high roll center and makes worse ..this main reason cars always battle loose condition. i would lower front to about 6 mod pivot points get curve correct. modifying these isnt as easy ...but try raising hieghts around 8 or even more ...it'll look like dragster you'll feel roll...but be very happy with results. good luck 
29442 re metric ride height dirtrunner oojoe- the pits might not have been that level sure. i ran a asphalt car on dirt for 2 years it was top 7 bad. from what i've reading an set-ups it's far off set-up could be wrong. 
29443 re metric ride height 00joe i dont usually measure much at the track maybe toe...i do setup in my garage and tweak track..when unload after a race night put car on scales to see what changed compare how it felt..some nights would not adjusting 1 2 turn each jackin bolt am solid top 5 car. post was say there are few big differences one that sticks out is asphalt cars use sway bar dirt dont...that all 
29444 re 1986 mercedes 300e transmission problem 00joe have you ever scanned the car for codes there is a chance it could be electrical. those cars alot of sensors on them. 
29445 steering homer i got my quickner today and was wondering what is the best way to mount it. 
29446 j bar on high bank asphalt open wheel modified lane for a 1 4 banked 24degrees jbar mounted the left drivers frame car is great and fast others told me to move right side would be better but couldnt tell why 
29447 bump rubber stops alan i race a port city late model on asphalt 1 2 mile 10 degree track. using bbss's with the shocks. john or any one else--any do's dont's to be aware of 
29448 re metric ride height dirtrunner i ran a sway bar for 2 years on my dirt car much better. 
29449 revoving broken spark plug greg myers hi i have a in the head on my fordf150 2006 5.4l 3 valve it is motorcraft plattium factory upper half screw out lower stayed how do remove with removing thanks you can call me and leave message at 734-789-7552 or email mickim58 yahoo.com 
29450 re revoving broken spark plug heloguy try this link www.ford-trucks.com tsb fulltext show_article.php 06-5-9. that should help. cheers 
29451 re revoving broken spark plug 44 f150.com has pictures of the factory tool. glad i don't own a newer truck. 
29452 re revoving broken spark plug 00joe aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. that is about the worst job to do. there actually a kit take them out. we do quite often at work. 
29455 re carb on 602 crate joe quarter mile......i had 73 s with a 4.5 power valve in my built motor..ran well..just was told the to go 78 jets and 6.5 valve..was hoping be able use valve...u think it should work 
29456 re carb on 602 crate 00joe i think its a good starting point. may still be little lean. just keep checking the plugs till you get it. 
29457 re carb on 602 crate lm15 i'm not much of an engine guy but don't these things depend largely the weather altitude etc at your track in other words my jets p v for april up here mn where it's 40 degrees fairly dry and about 650' could be totally different than someone else southern florida also from high elevation a mountainous state... even if we have same engine. or am i wrong 
29460 re 1986 mercedes 300e transmission problem scott there is a vacume modulator that controls the tranmission fluid working pressure. it sounds to me like thinks it's floored and in low situation. if line damaged or off will have be wound up change gears. looks odd has cover as part of assembly with small tee on it. may leaking at also o-ring seal i'd locate apply see hold good coming from engine when running. 
29461 are car counts down at your track scott we just had two weeks of sign-up it looked deserted to me. arrived 1 2 hours after the first day started and not one person was in line i thought place shut. for inspection sparce very long hte next no different with many cars back hot laps reinspections. this last weekend rainy cold all they did inspections a few us sat around chewing fat occasional would straggle in. swear looks awfully thin year so much i'm wondering if will have enough put on show. anyone seeing dramatic drop off count their saturday is our night maybe wrong we'll see. 
29462 re 1986 mercedes 300e transmission problem mnmale1972 i was gonna say waht scott said...but also ad that there is a kick down switch under the accelerator pedal. if this gets damaged or wires get damages it can cause similar symptoms. good luck 
29463 re are car counts down at your track big bore another month before things get going up here but everyone is worried about counts. sponsorship horrible. 
29464 re are car counts down at your track lm15 on the sponsorship note this will be my first year ever racing without a cash sponsor. last time i raced late model full had about 7 500 from sponsors. might get thousand bucks total and that's if i'm lucky even right now questioning whether or not should race year. one hard wreck pretty much done. isn't as fun when you're too scared to because you can't afford there. tired of working everybody else's cars though want again only plan 8-10 times though. we have 3 asphalt tracks in area. raceway park probably see same before. i've actually heard several new being built. they've also been steadily growing front wheel drive 4cyl class. has owner donny reuvers who lot experience is multi-time champion. it really seems that they're doing what they can keep things affordable there renewed interest with few years ago am excited support his venture www.goracewaypark.com elko speedway next track... sure say them. went top 2 classes allowed buy 1 tire per night tires. yet payout changing. however started limited class which looks like draw some cars. people upset cost but by far most beautiful short seen need make profit. personally think just priced themselves out economy both their operating costs racers hope hang until turn around. www.elkospeedway.com i-94 aka sauk center memorial day through labor day. it's very nice away twin cities metropolitan struggled spectator past doubt change. up summer for me justify driving hours other go race. www.i94raceway.com elko's saturday so we'll how do. starting may then weekend believe. know soon looking forward season no matter what. start off ok... don't fall badly throughout season. 
29469 re revoving broken spark plug dirtrunner i looked up the bulletin today what a mess ford has lol. my boss is getting 2004 hope he doesn't want plugs. 
29470 re are car counts down at your track swaybar seem to be holding steady our in texas but they haven't been that great for a few years now. class averages 15 cars where some of the other classes average closer 12. on positive note east houston motorsports park had 27 pro late models their race this past weekend. is promising day and age. 
29471 re revoving broken spark plug 44dwarf yes a mess indead. but if you follow the tsb with soaking lossen spoaking they come out good. just 4 hour change is not cheap.... 
29472 a arm suspension class j block howdy chances are you saw the messages posted here after last session. so we going to run webinar again on april 8th. see more go www.auto-ware.com aarmdemo.wmv space is limted call me at 800 647-2392 ext 201 or 505 890-8708 
29473 re are car counts down at your track 22racing i was going to ask this question myself but wasn't sure if anybody wanted talk about more doom and gloom i'm located in ontario canada have seen heard all the bs from media up here for too long wondered situation is as bad everywhere they make it out be. same boat lm15 with 3 tracks within a 30 min drive my shop. run kawarthaspeedwaydotcom falls under act rule package so our late models crate engine spec shock 8 hockey puck tires that you can only buy one of week. promoter just combined llm lm classes average fan couldn't tell difference between 2 cars everyone runs abc bodies . big spring 5 on 5's steering box 9 rears were given weight break extra left side 4 barrell carb compete against coil-over wide rack quick changes should be interesting see what happens. two both had 12-15 every week there currently 20 guys verbally committed only. we 13 race nights year end may till september its easy say yes over phone until season starts time will guess. been boon 1 other short gotten don't want serious trouble declining past few years. 
29474 re are car counts down at your track todd well i don't know what it will be like this year. we do have a couple of new entries from heard. overall the last years things been slowing our local track. they use to get around 100-120 street stocks night. year probably averaged arount 65 per economy is but think big part problem rules...or should say lack rule enforcement. pretty much let you away with anything except aluminum parts on chassis and put no-go gauge in carb if win. see happens 
29131 re thank you j block no prob. 
29154 free stubs gene a while back school teacher in the toledo area was going to pick up couple'a from me. well things have been laying my way for several months if anyone knows this please remind him of stubs. thanks 
29173 intake heat shield critter2 i have several manifolds but the one that want to use doesn't under carb area. how important is this  thanks ron 
29174 re intake heat shield swaybar i cut the shields off of all my intakes - area between and body is just a garbage collection area. 
29175 re free stubs todd gene-  i sent you message thanks 
29201 re kyle has taken smiling classes mnmale1972 i agree with everything you said......i do lean towards the side of dislike....but he can drive that is for darn sure.....little e could take a small lesson in kyles aggressive nature.....  was kind glad to see little get on sunday even thos wrecked some people needs be more and so does his crew chief. think skills dad but not fire belly. mark 
29237 re 3 link metric dave for every inch you lower your roll center with the panhard bar going to need about 15lb of more right rear spring 
29238 re 3 link metric dirtrunner lowering the panhard bar tightens car putting a stiffer spring in rr loosens car. isn't that self defeating 
29240 re rocker ratio dirtrunner what cam do you have brand name they will tell you. 
29241 re 3 link metric swaybar it's not self defeating the two just go together. lower p h bar more roll you'll get in rear. rr spring is needed to control that.  bbss pavement setups basically have options rear - low panhard with a heavy or conventional height not-so spring. 
29242 re rocker ratio mnmale1972 i am just curious but with that combo do you really need roller rockers  if do.......rocker will effect your lift ......so it depends on what cam have. think there are other ways to make more power based the have would be effective than rockers. my opinion. rules assuming run a 2 barrel compression rule head etc 
29265 master cylinder options rick53 converting my metric car from power brakes to manual this week. i noticed that the early cars and trucks with have all different size pistons. anything 7 8 up 1 4. track run at is aspalt 3 mi. tight turns. need alot of brake. so what do you think should bigger or smaller also brake system on stock. 
29266 re master cylinder options joe get one out of a 79 camaro. they work really well. and you should switch the lines for better proportioning. 
29268 re master cylinder options rick53 what do you mean by switching the lines i was going to get rid of proportioning valve and just t front run rear right off cylinder. that is correct way 
29269 re 3 link metric racer_dave i was able to run 24 lowers my top 19 . couldn't get the much shorter with torque absorber setup running. had a bit of problem getting enough rear percentage in it so at least 1 2 tank fuel up. 90 10 shock on too. 
29270 re exhaust manifolds.....new dan riley i've had several people email me looking for info on these manifolds. i bought a right hand manifold my truck but haven't recieved it yet so can't swear how great is. they do guarantee their stuff to be the exact replacement of your factory parts. this has as big stock ones or else 2.5 y pipe won't fit i'm assuming it's gonna manifold. rant was mostly manifolds being large.  i'll report when get mine in-hand. now company is called car parts wholesale have alot ebay. part no. rh327-1350r . side small block chevy in 1987 silverado 2500. phone number 1-866-828-4322. hope helps you guys who are still looking. 
29293 steering quickeners homer i run in a stock class and have never ran quickener the rules dont say you cant use one. drive mid 80s ltd was wondering if should try 1.5 to 1 or 2 1. what does every one think. thanke for all input advance 
29294 re steering quickeners dan hersey i didn't have one and once used will never race without it 2 1works well 
29307 re 3 link metric dirtrunner the mods around here are same way tons of oversteer.they making lr bite by trying to push up under chassis. moving connecting points will give you more or less axle steer depending on your rebound roll. 
29308 re a arm front suspension class ready todd i just wanted everyone to know...the webinars are really cool thing. if you haven't tried it don't know what missing.  john covers some stuff the only thing like about is stay up all night afterwards because my brain working overload...lol i'm looking forward new one coming this week. thanks for do john. 
29327 re rear drum brakes joe thats what i thought dave...i have the metric aluminum drums from my old car and of cutting middle ford backing plate out centre fabing it in....have u tryed 
29328 re rear drum brakes swaybar you can use your old backing plates. we used camaro on our 9 including the plates - just had to die grind center hole and bolt holes make it fit. works fine. 
29354 re center of gravity critter if you're jacking it up from the frame and not pumpkin you may be transfering some weight differential rear-end that is left dangling to front end. just a thought.  ron 
29355 re center of gravity critter i reckon said that wrong. maybe it should be jacked up by the frame and not rear-end. just wondering.  ron 
29356 re center of gravity ted in order to get accurate repeatable results is for the rear be setting on wheels. fronts being turn plates or rolled eliminate and tire binds. also fluids should either 100 full empty. higher you can lift better. 
29380 re zerk plumb bob racer_dave i didn't know they sold them that way. just used vise grips and drilled mine out then some string a couple of small bobs was done. 
29381 re electric fans racer_dave i've run both and didn't notice a difference except  mechanical fan always ran so cool i had to tape it up even in july august. as far the big 'hp drain' could never tell after went electric. fan- caught my arm on yea have an overheating problem with but did bigger fluctuations water temp. made sure stay tucked behind anyone during cautions. less shrouding back motor was work. 
29382 re electric fans eric actually i run a 19 inch by 31 radiator with no schroud excepy for the bottom and never been above 210 
29384 re removal of short dowel pins mnmale1972 i use the clamp from my flaring tool. clamps on tight and then wiggle it out. 
29409 serpintine belts joe can u run a 4 groove belt on 5 pulley without any troubles..having hard time finding the right size for my street stock..thanks 
29410 re serpintine belts dirtrunner yes you can i've put on reman alternators with more grooves than the belt had and they work fine. 
29412 re serpintine belts joe thanks....thats the root im going to have go if i cant find right size.... 
29427 re muncie 4 speed front bearing guest there is a seal that you can put into the retainer like bw. i don't have number right here. to machine off threads in of nut on input shaft proper od. 
29428 re serpintine belts swaybar the goodyear gator poly-v serpentine that i use are flat on top and grooved bottom to match pulleys. drive my alternator using a 3-groove belt running 6-groove pulley - no problems. 
29453 carb on 602 crate joe running a for the first time this year..we have to run spacer plate with 4412 carb.....was told that 78 jets would work....i 7.5 and 4.5 power valve...would work okay any info help.... 
29454 re carb on 602 crate 00joe what size track 78 sounds ok..run the 45 power valve. i ran 75 a 5 8 mile and after one weekend exhaust ports were white as could be.way too lean 
29458 re carb on 602 crate 00joe you are correct lm15. but thats why i said that would be a starting point . rather throw jet in richer. its better to fowl plug than burn piston. 
29459 re revoving broken spark plug mnmale1972 i have removed at least a dozen of these and never had to buy the tool do it. spray some jb80 on it.....let it soak. then use compressed air in cylinder jar free....then coat hanger with sharp 90 degree bend pull out. be patient remember is bad design....it not stuck int he cylinder....it sprak plug.  will come mark 
29465 re carb on 602 crate scott the 7.5 power valve should be opening sooner then a 4.5 so i don't understand why it would make run leaner. i've had some problems with valves failing in short order they were old and dry rotted from sitting shelf. since not one hundred knows what do have feeling set around for long time before move.most are perfectly happy comes kit or even block them off odd reason. 
29466 re are car counts down at your track 00joe i am ct and we have 3 tracks as well. stafford motor speedway thompson international the waterford speedbowl... only one that is really hurting for cars see waterford. thats mainly because last guy who ran it piledrove right into ground. now they pretty much starting over from scratch with whole management crew. count alittle lower but nothing serious. besides our season literally just getting started so its to be expected people still ready such myself. well enuff ramblin this post. 
29467 re are car counts down at your track 34 i wrote a big long..response to this subject ..but the naughty language police got me..even thou there was no language...and am way lazy try rephrase it...ha 
29468 re j bar on high bank asphalt open wheel modified richard gokee it is my understand sideing moves the roll center down if mounted right side due t rear going and raises up left 
29476 mechanical advantage mnmale1972 i am looking for some basic physics info. as an example will use a torque converter. if you run 12 stock converter and change to say 11 .....what is the actual realize advantage. understand pricipals but have been arguing with others over cost incurred opinions formulas work too....lol thanks 
29477 front end suspension componets big springs hi i was wanting to get some veteran opinions on a unique rule componets. have blank canvass build metric car for flat tight asphalt track. approx 1 3 mile. basically the is gm parts car. what would be best combinations start with it difficult put in 73-77 monte carlo rotors spindles lower a-arms tie rods linkage can camaro package crossed over model should look search 4 sway bar that will woek frame no modifications we run after market tublular uppers ask all this as our track really short cars year and want help save by getting another out there. my original plan take do research from scratch next year. but if others don't going very soon am afraid won't race. anything offered allow me time sooner... appreciated. 
29478 re mechanical advantage rich walling most torque converters have an m a of 2 1. 
29479 burt will know j block i would ask burt. he is the expert in this field 
29480 fuel line speed racer was wondering can you use hydrolic lines for your on a race car 
29481 re burt will know brown stock converters can verrie in stall rule of thumb most cases the smaller converter more it usually had why internal surface area lock up. real functional favored circle track are low less slip 7 to 11 that modified for track. closer rotating center line inertia mass quicker engine spins up and slows down. this is we use make a hollow nonfuntional pound married direct drive powerglide made reverse operate like unit which gave you about 30 50 horse power te rear wheel. when compared with standard shift using clutch pressure plate or big difference coupler revved much letting throttle car slowed down into corners. i would recommend converter. drag racing diameter desired reach higher demands. 
29482 re fuel line 44dwarf yes. thats what all the braided hose products are beware it not light. steel or conifer is lighter and strong enough. 44 
29483 re front end suspension componets 00joe i use all stock metric steering for the front. and spindles impala from speedway. 675 676...one is left one right. its also uses bigger brakes. lowers uppers control arms.just make sure my bump steer correct.it works great...top 5 every week.... 
29484 re fuel line 00joe i use the aeroquip 300 psi hose...no probs 
29485 re burt will know mnmale1972 ok....30 to 40 hp is alot. the arguement we are having here difference between 12 and 10 inch converter......i argue that advantage from not enough warrant officials looking twice as long at me for a non stock converter. thanks your opinions once again expertise. mark 
29486 re burt will know brown mark as far it being worth depends if you win by a full fender car length or lapping the field. show boat field bet thier going to tech you. i had custmer built for racing at painseville who started dead last in feature got into lead then lpped he d.q.d. there be little differance between two but not enough d.q. 
29487 re front end suspension componets 97bubba 73-77 monte and camaro lowers uppers spindles are essentially the same parts. only difference is spindle pin on for bigger outer bearing set 3 . main advantage in steering components draglink how where mounted subframe. with proper component combo of a big can be as good or better geometry wise than camaro. moving rear lower mount back lowering mounting hole metric chassis to utilize will do wonders also widens it out inches so. inner pivot point down allows cars ride height helps problem bottoming frame. taller bump steer although idler box best way. all this depends your rule package but some things that done if allowed. there aftermarket draglinks help without having move box. they kinda pricey what worth you allowed use them. dave 
29488 crate timing john just wondering if my 602 has the distributor at tdc and ready to fire right from factory....i got it is in locked down....thanks 
29489 re burt will know mnmale1972 thanks burt. 
29490 re crate timing rich walling ours didn't come with a distributor. there's all the necessary specs on right side valve cover. i believe is 32 
29491 re crate timing 00joe does not come set exactly....check and yourself. 
29492 re crate timing john i realize have to set it at 32 degrees but just wondering if is ready fire and tdc 
29493 re crate timing 97bubba to answer your question yes it is ready fire and should be really close. we had one that was right on the other at 30 degrees. fine. dave 
29494 re crate timing 00joe my point was just to check it. if you it and is on...atleast now know....and knowing half the battle... 
29495 re crate timing rich walling i was told today not to use a bronze distributor gear on our 604 crate. thought you always used one roller cam engine. 
29496 re crate timing john thanks guys.....are u legally allowed to use another distributor in the 602 i thought had run one it came with just curious.. 
29497 drive shaft question joe a my driveshaft goes in the powerglide past tailstock about 1 inch..so with of glide sticking out inch and going is that enough to be safe...there bit movement but there always any thoughts.. 
29498 re drive shaft question burt brown ewith wheels on the ground average round smooth yoke showing should at least be about 1-1 4 but no more 2 enless you are using an aftermarket longer then 3-1 long. is length of most 350 powerglide oem yokes. 
29499 ford 2300 dist gear trashed darrin i run at putnam speed way in fl have a mustang mini stock that loves to trash and aux shaft 2 or 3 races it hold about 20 pounds of oil pressure hot sees no more than 7000 rpm can some one please help 
29503 re ford 2300 dist gear trashed where is lou darrin i talked to racer walsh they thought maby thick of oil but run 10 w 30 thank all who might can help me 
29504 re ford 2300 dist gear trashed where is lou mnmale1972 i am not an expert on that motor. but the common things are ditributor end play do you have any and cam movement if walking back forth would put excess pressure distributor. this does apply to motor excuse me for saying. just trying help. most motors...... install distributor with no gasket there should be some up down in distribuotr shaft....can't tell how much correct some. it none need add extra gaskets get play. 
29507 re ford 2300 dist gear trashed where is lou darrin i checked the end play in and out on aux shaft it has about .002 thanks to all again hope figure some thing by fri so can run sat night 
29508 re ford 2300 dist gear trashed 50pinto if you only have 20 pounds oil pressure that isn't enough. i ran a for 5 years on the same stock dist. and idle shaft. should 50 at 7000 about 30 to 40 hot. turned mine 7400 usually but it 8500 short laps. used high volume pump not one 20-50 castrol oil. most important thing is warm motor up 160 degrees before even get pit road. turn rpms cold will strip sure. can take any suggestions try know these things work. 
29510 re ford 2300 dist gear trashed where is lou lucifer i'm here a couple of things comes to mind... if your breaking whole teeth or spliting the gears clean off shaft it might be too long oil pump drive causing preload on and distributor shaft. gets pulled down toward block during operation so it's rides high auxiliary side loads deal. i always shave about .050-.080 end stock hex re-dress ends. you can also see evidence this inside in form excessive wear galling bottom plate. play adjusted with different thickness shims face block. measure few ones you'll surprised. btw they are same as cam thrust plates an interchanged. usually area pretty tolerant doesn't result breakage mostly shows up slop ignition timing jumps around dramatically. suppose extreme clearances at plate could contribute but think that would very apparent highly unlikely. .002 sounds little tight totally doable you're not whipping out surfaces. typically look for .0025-.0035. hard find good shafts. many worn thin keep timing. top bushing critical. shearing roll pin spun that's much pressure volume thick reving when cold. mating pieces. 2300's already ton don't need pump. got one chuck now get shim spring .060-.080 under press cup. use washer cup side. while debur bypass piston some 400 grit. put slightly larger diameter solid my because whimpy pins sheer even them cross-eyed. 7000 rpm limit crank. 7200-7400 start into fatigue issues. plus heads flow good. know guys have run cranks higher go through engines. make sure spin stay throttle rear tires smoking clutch engine. thing happens finally slow grab traction like suddenly turned backwards. just time kill 10-30w 20-30 psi hot idle immediately after main event isn't anything worry 50-55 speed. warm engine 180 before revving. these engines will extra power 190-200 degrees more less falls off. won't any cooler there galley runs lengthwise head exposed coolant. work controlling water temp flynn... 
29513 re ford 2300 dist gear trashed where is lou darrin it wears the down on teeth to a knife edge and then strippes about halh of teath off. i can not see any signs in oil pumps rubbing or gauling all looks be good. am running thermostat. just restrictor plate has 5 8 s hole car gets 10 mins idle time before going track. run an eletric fan that controled by electric temp control fan. thanks who have offered ideas 
29520 leaf spring setup jeremy d cornett built new stock car is extremly loose through the corner. how do i tighten up 
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29521 venturi boosters on rochester 2g matt last year we ran our pure stock dirt car for the first time ever. had some problems with running too rich so went from a 72 to 70 jet. carb no longer loaded up and completed bunch of races unfortunately have not won yet. this inspectors stuck tool into booster hole told me that one them was illegal greater than 1 8 0.125. i source telling inserts can be removed replaced another purchasable insert. says is true need find cluster same part 17054653 . second tells cannot mix match venturis different carbs because will run right. afford an improperly built in hot humid conditions. put hearts building good legal now it's illegal. want complain higher track officials but am afraid it make matters worse. anyone help 
29522 re leaf spring setup oojoe what.. if any adjustments do you have for the leafs 
29523 re venturi boosters on rochester 2g dirtrunner www.kineticperformance.net he might answer you here does great work. 
29524 re leaf spring setup dirtrunner hey i put some numbers in my program and the load difference rear is over 500 lbs. higher roll center doing it. btw you didn't go to bradford schools did call me tomorrow. 
29525 re venturi boosters on rochester 2g kplugnut it's true that there are many slight variations in stock booster assemblies and some can be swapped from carb to but others very incompatible. the cone inserts interchangeable they never were available as aftermarket pcs. only way solve problem is rob legal out of another install them into your assy. this a tricky risky task loose either stick throttle open dangerous you or go through motor engine wallet . i'd suggest having made again by someone who has proper tooling parts change assy's make existing setup again. first foremost you'd want two different size cones place carb. would an unbalanced situation air fuel ratio performance one side other. hope helps if have further questions need more help don't hesitate ask email me. dayton umholtz co-owner kinetic 
29526 shocks richard gokee this year we can use heim joint and i have converted my metric to a 3 link rear suspension. our track is 8 asphalt 15 degree banking. am thinking 94 across the 76 rf 75 lf or maybe 93-5 left any suggestions 
29527 leaf springs jeremy how much rear percentage do you want and left weight in a spring stock car . weighs 3250 total 
29529 re leaf springs richard 23 dirt or asphalt 
29531 where is everybody dan riley i read the posts about numbers being down at many tracks. it seems there are much fewer this spring. slow-down in car building prepping or has everone already learned all they need to know imagine we could fill pits if modified sportsman guys switched street-stock type cars. and why wouldn't size. you nudge wall a slingshot you've just spent 1500. more on hardware. an axle assembly must be going for 2-3 grand by now. think of fun have half cost streeter makes good sense my opinion. don't keep filled promoters close alot most those make their payday off back gate really care paying fans anyway. suggest recruit as newbies into sport lower classes can before no enjoy our level. best way hook newbie invite them races crew member. follows that lead example should moving starter ourselves. course us want run faster but you're frustrated racer dealing with high your program give some thought. there's shame making purely business decision drop class two save money. it's opportunity get racing share track who benefit from against drivers higher experience. so consider putting slot cars up year till country's financial condition gets better race without stress finance even parts cost. own humble always wish everyone healthy happy new season.....dan 
29532 re where is everybody matt parker i see no shame in running a street stock. the guys racing modifieds go faster but can't imagine that they are having any more fun. stock car supposed to be about common man giving it shot. run on dirt so brings my costs down even more. have gone 10 races one set of tires and look perform fine. people participating better. 
29533 re leaf spring setup matt parker do you race on dirt i have the same problem right now because put in excessively stiff rear springs. it is a great for dry track but when pure stocks run their features at my always wet. modifieds take later drier. everyone wants me to decrease tire pressures that harms top end down straights. am trying modifiy driving technique until can get some softer 
29534 re venturi boosters on rochester 2g matt parker dayton i am not sure if you got my other email directly. thanks for the valuable insight. have another caruburetor which plan to remove inserts from and then will place them in a carburetor. all fuel plumbing set up perfectly don't want interrupt that. again 
29536 re where is everybody oojoe i run a street stock as well. nuttin wrong bout it. its all about the competition aint it in our class comp so tough that anyone can win on any nite 
29537 re leaf springs jeremy dirt 
29538 re leaf spring setup jeremy we have 200 ib in left rear and 175 right 
29539 re leaf springs richard 23 if it were me i would try to get at least 52 rear about 1000 on the lr. 
29540 re where is everybody matt parker the key components of a winning street stock are reliablity and driver skill. 
29541 spark plug gaps matt parker does anyone have any race tested wisdom for different on a stock motor i want to do some experimenting but thought would ask around before making an expensive error. normal is .020 right 
29542 re leaf spring setup matt parker is it beneficial to have a stagger with the rear springs i 200 on both sides and considered going 175 for both. 
29543 re leaf springs jeremy a 1000 ib of left rear 
29544 re leaf spring setup jeremy we have abot 3 4 of inch stagger 
29545 re spark plug gaps oojoe .30 to .035 is usually a general gap. you might not be getting hot enough at .020......but then again it just fine. i guess all could experiment. different strokes for right my 2 cents.... 
29546 re where is everybody oojoe man i heard that matt parker. ive been the bridesmaid but never bride 
29547 re leaf spring setup oojoe do you run a posi or an open rear 
29548 u-joint richard gokee 9 inch narrow yoke gm metric shaft caps to big from of course any joint must have inside clips would that be a ford 1-5900 
29549 re spark plug gaps dan riley i've always run autolites at .035 with hei in my sbc 355. never had a problem. 
29550 re leaf springs richard 23 that is what you will get if run around 55 left and 52 rear. may want more like 54 or 53 in case have slightly less lr weight. the should be heaviest corner on car by far especially dirt. 
29551 re spark plug gaps 44dwarf start at 35 then work your way up to 50 by 05 a time. when it starts missing close gap 10 and run there. this will give max coronal the flame front. 
29552 re venturi boosters on rochester 2g kplugnut hi matt yes i believe did see a note from ya i've just been so busy in the shop haven't had much time online lately. d. 
29553 re where is everybody 44dwarf driver rosters not out yet for my track we have rookie day on may 2nd. i'm told dwarfs picked up 6 new drivers over the winter make since as you can buy a race ready car 3500 and tires year are around 6-800. letting freind drive 44 this year. last fall i another was going to set it myself but with 4 work weeks just there. so i'll get other stuff done that i've been putting off house hot rod. 
29554 re spark plug gaps heloguy with the dui distributor setup i am running bosch 4008's at .050 and it runs great. was actually able to jet up carb a bit. 355 smog heads 
29555 re spark plug gaps matt parker thanks to all for the gap thoughts. consensus appears be .035. i plan recheck them tonight so we know what are doing on opening day tomorrow. 
29556 re where is everybody matt parker oojoe in my case the car as reliable rising sun driver needs lots more seat time. 
29557 re leaf spring setup matt parker we run on dirt so are doing well with a mini-spool. it is not much fun for illegal test flights the street however. 
29561 air pockets joe a having trouble getting out of my new crate motor..have run it 4 times in the garage idling..heats up to 220 with bubbling coming top rad...my upper rad hose is lower then thermostat housing..have drain housing..whats best way get thanks 
29562 re air pockets 44dwarf summitracing.com partdetail.asp autofilter 1 part mor 2d63420 n 700+ 2d128259+115 autoview sku 
29563 re air pockets dan riley replace the thermostat housing with a mid 80's model that had temp-vacuum sensor in it. remove and throw it away. using reducing bushings or pipe plug drilled tapped screw brake bleeder from repair kit so you can bleed out of system. good luck......dan 
29564 re air pockets joe a i do have one of those bleeders on there....whats the best way to bleed it out..ive tryed pushing out.....does take alot running time it... 
29565 re air pockets mnmale1972 never ever bleed any cooling system while it is running. shut down and open the bleeder till water comes out you should be good. i might missing something but have had an lock problem on small block chevy..........especially with no thermostat. are sure there not another issue 
29566 re air pockets gene the bleeder should be at highest point of system. if you are trying to bleed via a remote filler tank pretend its not there use another spot. 
29567 re air pockets oojoe you also have to make sure that the bleeder is open when start filling so has a place go. dont wait till its full it. 
29568 re air pockets rich walling we do what dan said about the t-stat but fill radiator from housing. take off top hose and end of hose. with cap watch until is full then reconnect cap. 
29569 re spark plug gaps rich walling the dui setup i bought 15 years ago is still running. also gapped at .050 and won many races. 
29570 re u-joint oldgold nobody have a answer 
29571 re u-joint 97bubba lefthander chassis has them i believe the part is 1330 or 1310 it's one of those. just about any stock car parts place those should work. dave 
29572 re air pockets dirtrunner i just bought a tool for work to fix this problem. it will pull vacuum on the coolant system then draw in. go ask your mechanic buddy see if he has one. 
29573 re air pockets joe a my rad is mounted low in the car.....the bleeder at highest point...do u have to drain everything out and start from scratch fill again or can i just pull top hose......and filling hose until full with open 
29574 re air pockets oojoe i am a mechanic too. we have the coolant vac only one that uses it....its friken awesome 
29575 re air pockets dirtrunner put this on the radiator where cap is and it pulls a vacuum coolant system removes air. 
29578 re air pockets matt dan's idea about the pipe bushing to bleed is excellent. hondas have a bleeder fitting tapped into coolant out neck. we could all learn thing or two from japanese. 
29579 lifter failure bill had our test and tune day yesterday. motor real strong during first set of hot laps good numbers on oil pressure temp water temp.got back to the pits waited about 10 minutes went out again car lost power came in with a slight popping sound from left bank checked lash solid flat tappet 8 exhaust .050 clearance reset .016 turned over cam lobe seemed ok as lift rocker was same others. fired still there took it home compression o. removed head valve bent just barely kissed piston i mean hard remove but did get scored sides would not rotate bore tried other lifters they were fine ok.any ideas what caused this everything is new quality parts.apologize for long post 
29580 re lifter failure oojoe was it a new motor how many revs are you turning whats the timing set at did engine run hot cuz sounds like maybe hole closed up little and bound when cooled down went back to normal but already goobered so now wont fit anymore. or coulda just been faulty lifter...was 
29585 re lifter failure dan riley check all your bores with a set of ball guages and mics. i'd bet one bore is off. it tightened up on the when came lobe stuck in held valve open that's why kissed piston. new lifters almost never fail especially solids. i know many people swear by world products but they aren't immune to defects. are hecho en mexico i'm betting defective bore. just my humble opinion you about those lol good luck please tell us what turns-out be........dan 
29587 re lifter failure guest my guess is that the lobe got wiped out which makes valve motion uncontrolled so floated and hit piston. was this cam broken in with very light springs petroleum oil proper lube primed timing set correctly. it takes little to damage a new on start up these days. 
29588 weight placement homer can you have to much on the left side of your car. i run a big 3 8 dirt track and had add 170 lbs car make weight. frst time added it up high in center just over rear axle haevy ould very bad push. seems that after moving from back acts better. next problem no scaales money get any. is full size ford stock class. 
29589 left side weight homer can you have to much on the of your car. i had add 170lbs mine make so put it all along side. dont any way scale car does one advice. thanks in advance. 
29591 re air pockets critter open bleeder. take another rad hose that just fits inside fill neck of rad. make sure end is higher than bleeder and through until water runs out. close bleeder..... the problem with being lower by time you remove from replace cap some will run question.. do use a resevoir ron 
29592 re lifter failure bill hi dan are old timer engine builder seems to think the block was not cleaned up from machining process ie fuel pump push rod would hang in bore we polished it free this done on test stand. makes me believe that world products is lacking there prep work. all parts new ran single springs during cam run with brad penn 30w oil a bottle of comp cams lobes and lifters lubed as well.we also low ratio rockers. did try 4 other they were only difference being cool if defective seem be when operating temps. 5 laps first had 180 water 250 60 14-40 red line racing.we about an hour 15 minutes time before set hot 30 stand at 2500rs. 
29593 leaky valve covers matt i feel like a novice for bringing this one up but here goes. have completely oiltight motor except the covers. bought cheapo coverfs from speedway excellent business along with their supposedly reusable cover gaskets. spreader washers t-bolts not to tightened down. oil still creeps past gaskets especially at corners and wicked through breather caps. no rtv or other ointment between gasket head. does anyone clue do need keep living an embarassing smoke show when pull in feature 
29594 re leaky valve covers swaybar if they are the thin sheet metal type i'm afraid you may be stuck with problem until get rid of them. some thick cast aluminum and good gaskets then i think your will solved. 
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29597 re leaky valve covers matt swaybar i figured the problem was lame covers. later in season will spring for some nice morosos. hate to show up with bling parts my division but we are losing like a quart night over this. you agree that no rtv is best have never used it on any of street cars. thanks 
29605 power steering no matt i am running the oem box on my car. does anyone see any advantages to going without p s 
29606 re power steering no 00joe pump belt or lines...or throwing belts....or fluids leaks...but how are converting to manual is there a assisted box my rules sukk we have run all stock stuff. 
29607 re lifter failure dan riley hi bill i was thinking the bore might be a tad tight. there are accepable ranges they shoot for during manufacture. i've seen an engine builder use go-no go guage on many machined surfaces. all it takes is somebody with hangover doing checking to mess you up. could even way block cast. defect that makes heat up more than should. sounds like need tear down completely and check aginst blueprints. i'm taking side of your old man lol. let us know what guys finally find have great season............dan 
29608 re leaky valve covers 00joe i love the speedway cheapo v c would keep using them do...they sell extra thick gaskets too...capitol motorsports in mass have too. cmwraceparts.com...i live ct and there is no tax or shipping from them..if order morning by 10am get it next day.do you run stock heads aftermarket because noticed that a kinda not flat but round mounting surface. tend to pinch cut gasket...and nice machined surface...that doesnt kill gasket...sorry for rambling sounded shorter my head 
29609 re lifter failure bill dan what about machining or polishing the replacement also shining bore some i'm thinking this condition was caused by engine getting up to operating temps and tight. 
29610 re leaky valve covers dan riley i don't know if can make any sense here but i'll tell you what do. use 3-m weatherstrip adhesive yellow snot to glue the gaskets onto covers. will squish out them in place. sure they are set tight against with no voids anywhere. also wait until completely before try them. usually overnight screws locating bolt holes and a weight on top. look at factory heads sand casting makes gasket surface very rough porous. like another post said rounded always rtv between head. something has seal all those little nooks crannies that up surfaces. won't do it alone. once is attached cover creep think it's pretty evident used poor system or wouldn't have changed high rail type. leaking oil pollution unacceptable ca. many other states so had change as well put one-piece rear seal. us old time chevy guys just accepted leaks our small blocks natural order of things. that's my story i'm sticking since do........dan 
29611 re lifter failure dan riley bill my old machinist used to hone the bores he something like a brake cyl. hone. sometimes he'd bush each bore and re-hone those size. i recall seeing bronze bushings left sticking up out of about 3 8 . always did whole set. i'm builder not haven't talked this subject machinist. i'd be glad do that if you like........dan 
29612 re power steering no dan riley guys way back in the old days we ran without steering. had quickeners so either added length to pitman and idler arms or cut a little out of on knuckles speed up i can honestly tell you there is advantage running what gain 3-6 horsepower huge pain your wrists elbows slower accident avoidance exhausted muscles after couple heats make list pros one side paper cons other. question will answer itself. have fun great season........dan 
29613 re leaky valve covers mnmale1972 i tried posting this earlier but it told me there was a server problem. here is what do. use stock and am sure you can do with the cheap ones have. right stuff brand rtv nothing better....and worth every penny. glue gasket to cover then put wheel bearing grease on my finger small coating all way arounf head side of by original cork for . install cover. keeps from ever slipping sticking head. so when go through tech only guy that takes his off puts back on. one set gaskets several years. never leak. coming who drove car trailer after cylinder off........runs great 4 cylinders.......... just ask me. 
29614 re lifter failure bill dan for right now were going to polish the replacement and bore cam lobe was not hurt. we will be monitoring that rocker arm clearance on a regular basis as well compression.compression even all way cylinders.do you feel race running temps could have tied up this rest of lifters seem free can put your finger tip over push rod seat vacumn created is enough pull them out our first saturday we've been fortunate won class championship last 2 years in row. 
29615 re power steering no gene dan is right for all the practical reasons. if this were a drag race board i would not agree with him on issue. 
29620 re lifter failure rich walling new cleaning methods such as media blasting will cause the bores to have their edges bent over causing problem you discribe. 
29621 re leaky valve covers matt 00joe no problem on the rambling i am trying to learn without spending money and making mistakes. shop work out of is in ct also. capital a great business which use all time. we have 305 heads kplugnut says hurting my top end. they are 80-86 oem forget casting number. mating surface rounded not machined. your vote stay with cheapo v cs focus better gasket. buddy took time paint them chevy orange before put so look cool. do you any thoughts about what kind breathers might hold oil thanks 
29622 re leaky valve covers matt that is a great story about running on one bank of cylinders. my buddies and i had similar problem when we put tpi setup into his classic truck. started it the first time ran weird. if you your hand over left side exhaust was just air. fuel pressure regulator restricting from injectors. anyway right stuff good product which number people have recommended. personal favorite magic goo hondabond. works awesome in any scenario where two pieces cast iron mate up. no paper gasket for rear cover transfer case chevy applied neat bead hondabond torqued bolts sequence still dry as bone years later. thanks again. 
29623 re left side weight rcj back in the day people would put a 1 2 socket on jack mark place center of rear end.then start jacking up car with setting end.the r lift ground firist then as soon l lifted off they stop and measure how far was ground.real low tech but it way to try be consistant bite. my 3200lbs i have 200lbs i'm at 54 .if yu can keep wieght close together not hang all over will work better 
29624 re left side weight alan homer put the between tire and to always. i hope am not voliating some rule by saying this --but have a set of scales that built using bath room before could aford electronic one's. if you are interested give me call they fairly accurate for much money. be honest will pay them selves in winning. 334-799-5972 
29625 imca hobby setup newbee007 been away from racing for about 8 years and just getting back with a type hobby. looking some set up info how things may have changed since i was away. shocks springs percentages alignment specs. purchased 4 year old gm metric chassis. will be on couple 3 mile dirt tracks average to high banking. the guy car won few races but never scaled or much. thanks any suggestions help. 
29626 re leaky valve covers 00joe matt get rid of those heads. they are choking the hell outta you.. where in ct is your shop and do you race its cool to find locals here. we switched world product s r night day.....they just as good box before any work than a fully worked stock head. 
29627 re imca hobby setup matt if the tracks are well maintained you should get by with parts store shocks. old timers at my track which is very high banked and say they have seen no improvements in lap times aftermarket that tip saved me a lot of money. 
29628 re left side weight dirtrunner i have a set of those scale fixtures. bought them off friend not sure where he got them. they are about 90-95 correct really close. 
29629 re lifter failure dan riley i'm guessing that the bore was undersized. not enough to make it fail a shoddy inspection theirs yours but tighten up under stress and high heat. also if you run brake hone through with finish stones oil will be fine thereafter. have great race weekend let us all know how works out......dan 
29630 re left side weight racer_dave way back when i still do that. there are times i've traveled to a new track and completely miss the setup. it happens. even with scales software all other tools have that what you think will work won't. so go old standbys. tape measure jack car for wedge adjustments. doing can usually get good enough finish up night pretty decent. next day improvised setup gets put on recorded. use as baseline or compare we showed see where big differences are. original question. if is no rule far possible while keeping between wheels. friend help. guys in your class won't help find someone friendly two up. bet they'll 
29633 re leaky valve covers mnmale1972 but the difference between your motor and mine is head was not attached. i threw a rag in valley with wrench on it to hold lifters there holes duct taped intake manifold ............it started up drove trailer just like both heads were attached motor. fact iw hundred bucks cause someone bet me would work. cars are so much fun. 
29634 re leaky valve covers matt 1972 you are a better man than i am. would never have tried that. gotten come-along and gang of guys to help push the car up. one thing can say is that see learn lot at race track in normal automotive life. so for minute or two had no coolant flowing working head really awesome. 
29635 re leaky valve covers matt dan thank you for taking the time to present your creative strategy leakproofing covers. i think my problem lies at surface of stock heads. are right this is one those epic small block problems. 
29636 re leaky valve covers hogracer3d same thing once it was the get rid of them and some good ones--problem solved 
29637 re leaky valve covers matt did you have stock heads or racing 
29638 re leaky valve covers hogracer3d they leaked on my darts and pro's were the nice looking 100 sheet metal ones. i used blue fel black ones with cork without glued silicone gorrilla snot gaskacinch. all bought some saldana's never had another issue. 
29639 re u-joint richard gokee you sure its not a 3130 
29640 re u-joint 97bubba yes i am sure the metric car uses a 1310 ujoint and 9 inch 2 different ones. narrow wide. depending on your yoke you could use either. lefthanderchassisdotcom look for yourself. dave 
29641 re left side weight dirtrunner at www.ohiovalleydtr.com there is a set of those scales forsale. 
29642 re left side weight racer_dave even if you don't have any high tech tools the best tool in box is a notebook and pencil. make new page for each night at track. write down where started inches of wedge tire pressure stagger fuel load etc... record how car drives what track was like. then as changes them note reacted to change. sure keep too. notes you'll be able see worked didn't. trust your memory. last remember sometimes single change might slower but another go with it faster. just do one time all down. good worth more than expensive many cases. added bonus learn by doing so when get better scales such ahead curve. can from rescale numbers changed. 
29643 tire temps rcj we were testing some things on our street stock camaro 3 8 medium bank dirt 3200lbs 27x10 hoosier 3035 asphalt take offs the last session of day i was able to stop car track and temps.r f inside 120 middle 115 outside l i. 110 m. 109 o. 114.that tells me add 2 lbs r 1 decrease positive camber.my question is do real want even a am gaining more by bigger contact with lower air pressure excessive camber adding heat that helping hard compound 
29644 re tire temps 00joe thats not a bad reading...the arent that different to warrant psi change...usually no more than 10-12 degree spread.....5 degrees is ok 
29645 re lifter failure josh k. not sure on the world blocks but i know dart should have lifters bores honed just a smidge. would your machine shop measure to bore clearance and go from there that help prevent this in future. like cylinders you can always take alittle more out can't put it back is reason they leave them small. 
29647 re tire temps sswrench given the information i would'nt change anything. were you running hard against other cars or just pushing around to get in some fast laps how was it handling through turns have a good season. 
29648 re tire temps rcj we were running by ourselfs.trying to be steady and consistance get good feedback from the changes making.we picked up .2 seconds for days work.this was firist time i could stop car on track some meaningful tires.the r within 5 degees across it at 140 average l 120 
29649 re leaky valve covers 22racing hey matt if you took the time to paint those heads is rail where gasket sits painted too so i would try taking off have used cheapy v c on everything from enduro cars 15 000 late model motors with just thick cork gaskets no sealant of any kind. they never leaked or stuck head either for that matter 
29650 re imca hobby setup dirtinla i would go ahead and record everything as it is now get out try it. unless something obviously of whack then you at least have a starting point. 
29652 re u-joint ichard gokee the correct ujoint was a 3130 that is 3.125 on ford yoke and 3.625 gm driveshaft side 11.99 at autozone 1310 type of along with 1330 1350 3r. richard 
29653 re u-joint help dan riley hey guys where can i get a list of these u joints and the applications see stock numbers you use but have no clue as to spec's for each number... thanks 
29654 re u-joint help richard gokee the 3130 joint is for gm driveshaft to ford small yoke 
29655 shocks and wheelrate rcj i'm look for more adjustability from tacky to dry slick on a leaf spring camaro.i have bilstein i talked the rep in my area about having some built with different amounts of gas pressure change wheel rate.he said standard presure added 33lbs rate low 18 lbs. think he could build me one that would add 50lbs.he it wasn't enough make difference.changing 175 rear 200 is big shock almost rubbing tire so small has an effect rate.before spend money custom anybody else tried this 
29657 still fighting overheating joe a having trouble with my new crate heating up....have now run it about 6 times in the garage and after 10 mins is getting up to 210..have good 15 inch steel fan on it..aluminum rad...no schroud as of yet...keeps air system.....could be head gasket problem from factory...brand 602 any suggestions what i should do 
29658 axle seals richard gokee 81 granada 9 inch rear disc brake 28 spline where part number thanks rick 
29659 re still fighting overheating dirtrunner no shroud there's your sign get one. take thermostat housing off and water pump belt. start engine see if you bubbles. do not let it run more than 2 mins. 
29660 re still fighting overheating guest put a hosehold fan infront of the car directing air into opening in grill. does it get above 210 if you keep running 
29670 re leaky valve covers matt 22 the surface you refer to is unpainted on my heads. your strategy lame cork gaskets no goo. i need make a chart for all different configurations. thanks thoughts. 
29672 bbss setup jp just wanted to stop in and say thanks you folks for your help on the setup. after making few more changes we finally got her dialed won feature this saturday boy was car hooked up special john block without his couldn't have work 
29673 re still fighting overheating dirtrunner i had an old radiator which fins got swollen to the point that one could not see any light. but water would go through just fine. 
29674 re still fighting overheating matt i know this one is obvious but had a problem with my radiator being too low. to remount the whole thing. think bought about 10 degrees by doing that. your fan pulling good stream of air through 
29675 re update...congrats dan riley that's great bill congrats on the win glad you got it worked out and thank for outcome report. we can only learn if are told what didn't......continue a season.......dan 
29676 re still fighting overheating mnmale1972 why do you think it is 210 with out a shroud street cars run all day long ..... what other signs of overhating have boiling over 
29677 re still fighting overheating kurt hi joe i totally think you can have your fan in too far. it should be at least close to half and out. had an over heating problem with my old streeter the only change made was put a 1 inch spacer on when running 2 temps went from needing new head gaskets 190 all day long. 
29678 re axle seals richard gokee anybody know 
29679 re still fighting overheating racer_dave first shroud it and get the fan spaced correctly. center line of blade depth should be at edge shroud. that's generally optimium for placement. i didn't see this listed is timed right too much or little timing will affect its run temperatures. cap known good how many lbs pressure did you test even new ones can bad. as having to put on track 'work air out' don't think so. running in garage move bubbles out. using a restrictor keeps water block longer which pulls more heat out turn slows down speed through radiatior cool more. one not depends. part that equation impeller pump. better stewart etc... need restrictors because impellers are made race engines. reworked stock pumps may cavitate high rpm so might help issue change pulley ratio slow last what happens after 15 minutes does stay 210 go 240-250 try keep mine 200-220 range me isn't bad unless continues climb boil over. 
29680 re axle seals racer_dave i usually pull one and take it to my local napa or o-reilly. give them the same info as you posted although they probably won't know spline count but don't think will matter. if bugger up seal bad removing then mic inside diameter where goes in that dimension might help narrow down choices. this is rear came on disc lincoln not positive. sorry have a way get part 's 
29681 re axle seals dirtrunner autozone says it is 8660 
29682 re axle seals dirtrunner 8660s 
29683 re still fighting overheating joe a my fan was about 6 and half inches from the rad...got new spacer to put it 4 rad....made schroud with in out...yes at first boiling over but i think got most of air out now....going try running again tomorrow see if its better... 
29684 re axle seals richard gokee 51098 auto zone 6.00 pair thanks 
29685 re still fighting overheating guest where do you race joe 
29686 right front lead rich walling i have in the past a street stock 70 monte carlo with great success. am wondering if it would work store bought late model. lefthander says to do facilitate turn entry. also heard that port city said same thing. but only 1 8 . is enough make difference 
29687 re right front lead lm15 i notice very little difference on my lefthander running the lower arms squaring pegs or trailing lf 1 2 . it does seem to help car initiate turn a easier but was so small could have just been in head. john's hawthorn effect believe 
29688 need some help j block you all might have seen my post a while back but if not it is shown below. i'm in pinch won't sombody even offer 35 cents on the dollar thats only 6200 for an amazing professional tool. could blow more than that motor and be at level this thing will take to. brother out ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- here your chance to hit big. due pending med bills i must part with cds data acqusition system. got pro system package deal added extras would cost 18 700. whole once likely 17.7k make offers considered. email me autoware aol.com below list of goodies multi channel beacon w carrying case bogen 3047 high end camera tripod 1 sensor 2 meg memory card download cable commander ii 38-s logger 32 analog channels 5 rpm trigger switch msd style engine 3 axis accelerometer x y z g yaw water temp oil pressure throttle string pot steering 8 travel linear suspension sensors pots 10 wheel speed magnets 4 four junction boxes 14 various length extension cables brake above -------------------------- additional items spare mini dash display aero one air tap slightly damaged 24 dwyer pitot tu mounting hardware rr ir tire individual amplifiers lr rear amplifier rf lf fuel analyzer misc brackets clamps grommets etc. note software included available depending needs 
29689 re still fighting overheating kurt guess i had it backwards... but same thing goes. hope you've gotten figured out. 
29691 re need some help kenneth hate to hear it john. hopefully someone will come along that really needs and can give you a fair price. best of luck with the upcoming procedures. 
29694 re need some help mnmale1972 can't spend that money myself but i will pass this on to of the late model guys in my area. one might be interested. mark 
29695 re left side weight alan homer try increasing the right rear spring rate and that should get car to turn under those conditions or you mite add a rubber for quick fix. 
29697 re need some help racer_dave i'm in the same boat as other guys. i'd love to have a system but that's more than my budget for year so no can do. when at track tonigh i'll pass word racers i know wha cabbage it. good luck 
29699 master cylinder prop valve rick gokee i have switched my meric over to 9 inch rear discs whic cyl 
29700 good gone loose jim guys 20 lap feature metric street stock first 15 laps car was very last 5 turned center out. if i put more wedge in it think will be tight from the start have preload bar.tire temps were ok. thoughts 
29701 re good gone loose 00joe open or locked rear sounds like that maybe your stagger opened up too much. 
29702 re good gone loose jim open joe wheres my tranny 
29703 re good gone loose dirtrunner what was the temp of rr compared to rest 
29704 re good gone loose bill sounds like the tires are over heated if caution were to come out i bet on restart car would have felt better for a few laps. loading bar will tighten up center and then be off after you get it rotate. think thats killing rear heating them ive never been fan of bar.....try neutral about quarter loose.....of course just my opinion that token subway 
29705 need some help rcnplumber could use here our street stock rules have opened up where we can run a floter rear end w disc brakes it's about time the i has mounts for nova and are closer together than camero 70-81 . it looks like to move pads out 2 45 1 c t does this number sound right thanks any mark 
29706 need metric setup help summer street stock new to this bought a 84 olds cutlass supreme. class have as much camber we can get with out extra mods. dealing severe push. car is 3200 lbs. springs are rf 1000 lf 800 rr 200 lr has 1 sway bar. tire temps 184 185 27 pressure 158 150 154 16 163 157 25 131 140 135 15 pressure. afco 1020 1021 1030 1031 track mile oval. banking 7 degrees on straight and up 14 in corners thinking softer front heavier left. 
29707 re need metric setup help richard 23 drop the rf to 850 or 900 and raise rr 225 start. your also appears be over inflated. try 25 lbs. 
29708 re need metric setup help summer street stock thanks now is it bennificail to go say a shorter spring from 11 9 1 2 reduce ride height could also put in adjustable spacer. both sides. 
29709 re need metric setup help richard 23 what are your ride heights the best thing to do is run a tall lower ball joint and camaro spindles. if you have metirc spindles height needs be up around 6.5 
29710 re need metric setup help bill im assuming you race asphalt with a open rear i would start at 850 lf 900 rf 250lr 225rr ride hieghts 5.5lf 7.5lr 7.5rf 8.5rr wedge 55 its important to keep lower trailing arm angles about 1 degree running uphill must watch for bottoming out frame if so heat up and hit large hammer get of the way.front stagger 2 inches your air pres look good one eigth inch toe caster 2.5lf 5 split as much positive camber in possible like 2.5 can 6 degrees on but check tire temps shim even exhaust manifold gets way yourself log type that is over spark plugs this will give all room think come suburban might be wrong set sway bar flat ground eight it track consistant any chassis changes always go back have someone bump steer critical. thing valuable seat time before really worry finer details faster these settings changed never ending cycle should closer anyways try not blame engine builder no power yet because gains make getting show off more more....good luck 
29711 re need metric setup help summer street stock are the camero spindles considered a drop spindle. car has now and it is illegal in our class i was going to change s-10 spindle wondering if 9 1 2 spring with adjusters would give me more play setting ride height. 
29712 re need metric setup help summer street stock thanks bill when you say open rear does that mean unlocked i believe this is a locked end. better in case also know to get more camber only 3 degree on right which max without doing some mods. have 6 min left hand ride height so can try close. 
29713 re need metric setup help richard 23 no the camaro spindle isn't a drop spindle. its taller which will make your roll centers higher when you lower car down to 6 rule. plus has bigger rotor i believe. 
29714 re need metric setup help bill ok summer street stock the lock rear is ticket for you not unlocked anyway i havent raced a locked in years so cant really tell what springs should be but see pair of 225s working starters 6 inch okay left front and camber can changed by using log type exhaust manifolds that are over plugs these give plenty room to add spacers frame keep checking caster when u make any changes it with every shim or obviously use headers if permitted.i wouldent bust yoyr hump finding odd ball spindles because full size gm 76 85 work fine 
29715 re good gone loose jim rr temp was 140s rf 130s l sides 110 
29716 re need metric setup help summer street stock i actually found a camero spindle in my shop. part 371676. however looks like caliper is diferent size. will same rotor work 4 3 studs have tons of these rims given to me so wouldn't want change. 
29717 re need metric setup help richard 23 the rotor and caliper is different. camaro rotors are still 4 3 so no for new rims. 
29718 re need some help rcnplumber thanks for all the 45 1 2 must be right again mark 
29719 thread pitches on 602-604 crate motors bill watson does anybody know if the threads gm race are metric thanx for any info. sp 
29720 re need metric setup help 34 swap your front springs... s-10 spindles are exactly the same as spindles..you would gain nothing. 
29721 re good gone loose 34 i agree with the over heated rear tires...i would try some lower air pressures in rear...how much stagger are ya running 
29722 re thread pitches on 602-604 crate motors rich walling bill i don't know if all the fasteners 604 are metric or u.s. but what do is that we put 5 16nc bolt in head to fasten a carb spring holder manifold. 
29723 re need metric setup help rick i race a 3200 lb and couldnt get it to turn tryed heavier springs 1200 rf am now down 1000 900 lf 225 lr 200 rr. 7 8 bar. iwas told because the rear roll center is so high had raise front ride height also slotted upper mount push level . lowers are nearly ht 7in 6 3 4 rr 7.5 6.75 hoosier 970 just by doing this picked up tenths bump steer set camaro spindles or chevelle same. rotors calipers.56.5 ls 50.5 rear.58.5 cross 2.3 stagger in spindle move out amount that you cant achive with of degrees 10 degrees. right frontis kinda problem as needs be shorter. about neg camber. 
29727 wheel offset homer what will do for my car all mine are 3 inch. the weight rule is 3500. has a sligh push on entry and fair center good off 
29728 modified suspension cam scott this vid is an eye opener check out the rear on car. 
29729 the censor is killin me scott harris car chassis cam 
29730 re the censor is killin me scott movie on that reeal popular place dman this a pia yewbube got it i finally to let be let's try and see if much will go through. enter harris car chassis cam apparentlythis thinks bd word. fcuken computers 
29731 re comp cams has had a lot of problems scott since zinc was removed from oil for ignition power cars. diesels still have it in their oil. i highly doubt tight bore grabbed your lifter i'd be more incline to think valve stem exerted extra pressure into the lifter. 
29732 wow dave that makes me want to put one in my car 
29733 that's nothing j block sorry for the sensor i turned it back one notch lets hope spammers don't jump on it. if you think that camera is cool aint seen till see data acquisition. can not only movement know where track how fast was going lift squat shock velocities and on. why do i'm such a total nut about it's totally 
29734 re that's nothing jracer98 if else it certainly makes you appreciate the original engineering challenge of u joint and is amazing how big this guy's operating window is. i watched that video thought thing can't last 5 laps without testing driveshaft loop's strength..... ha jay 
29735 notice to all j block howdy obviously i not getting rich here or would be selling my data system. however if the message board has been helpful and you like kick in a little something help heep it going greatly appreciated. use paypal donate button header above. please fire me an email there are any issues. thanks janitor 
29736 how do you feel about pinion angle now scott i've been preaching for a long time that is not factor in forward bite. around my neck of the woods you'd think it was religious mantra three degrees down supposed to hook ya up baloney. if that's case modified should be hooked at all but has tons anti-spuat built and runs without suspension on left when it's under power. seems so damn crude counter what learned over years. napcar guys buy thousnad dollar shocks valve them dyno then run dang car bump stops. might as well put auto zone economey it. they would everyone big favor by making rear leafs only with maybe helper or coil fine tuning leave million link locations chassis barn. it'd cheaper more fun i better show. here gettin race almost impossible are constantly yellow believe cause cars hard figure out dial . e mod stand expensive. 
29737 re notice to all scott i'm curious where are you located i have the impression it's in ohio for some reason. can stop by shop down here louisville i'd be happy meet and make a donation just hate idea of pay-pal reason superstitious when it comes computers. might ride up i've been needing an excuse motorcycle trip lately really need one bad. race night raining poop. 
29738 re still fighting overheating scott i haven't read all the responses so maybe it's already been covered. if it has a leaking headgasket will build up pressure in radiator right now. i've noticed you can fire and rev or brake torque briefly no more then 15 seconds. open cap system have combustion sealing problem cracked head bad gasket usually. gas analizer handy test for exhaust gasses hold wand near coolant sniffs there are also strips dip change color is present never used them myself . 
29739 is the pump rotating correctly scott vbelt and serpintine are different directions. 
29743 re notice to all j block like most stuff if everybody did just a tiny little bit it would go long way. however folks do 5 or 10 bucks every once in while make big difference. thanks 
29744 re albuquerque usa lol scott always makes me think unser then i wonder if i'm right. anyway i've been through it once or around saw a sign on the interstate indicating existed somewhere near. was captive tramp-uh-bago converted bus way to tucson for big adventure after 5 years left and avoided prison time most likely. little al used pull sprinter pretty regular while out there. worked bill cheesbourg couple of at his vw porsche shop did some scut work race car went races with him tiny had forgot about course he huge. are you going be in indy by any chance i'll go see practice this year. i'd also like 500 anderson night before. missed 58 row not careful end up perfect record. 
29745 re good gone loose jim 1 inch 
29746 re albuquerque usa lol mnmale1972 you can't got albaqur.......new mexico before come to shakopee.....lol race season has started and i have a fast hotrod. john.....please send me an email with the details of data setup. guy that seems interested told him would your contact info. wish could help more. will donation. give address...... 
29747 re albuquerque usa lol j block you worked for cheez how funny what a small world. in the early 70's we used to go over manzy big shows. i had givin up driving my own car so could finish college but on everybody elses cars. it was always fun see cheating.. mean inovative thing doing next. old days track didn't have scales they went truck stop after main check weight. bill this set of wheels tires would fit trailer that weighed ton he water or something them . roll off pass every time don't think i'm going indy year will deals come together week. 
29750 re notice to all rich walling don't go breaking bad on us. one outlaw in albuquerque is enough. 
29754 re erratic ignition timing gene your cam is walking back and forth. engine builder should fix it at no cost its a good way to melt down. 
29755 re erratic ignition timing 00joe check the distributor gear to see if it is beat up...the cam sounds like a logical problem too.....also balancer make sure doesnt move back and forth 2 halves kinda seperate at rubber its happened me 
29756 re erratic ignition timing guest what are the details of hei stock module do you have an alternator gauge wiring feeding from switch and to a good quality spark plugs wires rpm checking at type light digital lights tend funny things when high power ignition. 
29757 re power steering question gene yes 
29758 leaf spring car dirtrunner ok guys i went this year and my has no anti-squat. looks like the rear goes down about a foot. have pull bar. any ideas 
29759 re erratic ignition timing bill the system worked perfect last week. do not run an alternator batt voltage was 12.5 we charge during week msd rev limiter module in a gm style hei distributor light nothing fancy just pick-up and pos-neg wires got it from napa 4 years ago suppose to be good 7 000 always timed engine at fast idle what seemed 5 plus. one thing of note cannot now have switch on when intial starting off get rolling over replacement is old with no limiter. don't know made motor somewhat better replacing or unplugging tach. will doing another leak-down compression test for sure. 
29760 re erratic ignition timing dan riley throw out the msd unit. stick with a good hei system. have dist set-up on sun machine by someone who knows how to do it. you need an alternator. extra weight won't cost race. don't rev limiter. once your gearing dialed in over-rev unless change tracks. same track rpms every week. if run 500 rpm faster at some time over-stress that small block anyway. pull cover and install cam button front of sprocket. will keep from walking fore aft. ball........good luck...........dan 
29761 re erratic ignition timing mnmale1972 sounds like they covered everything but i have to say it again. run an alternator voltagre is very important any hei system. you gain more hp by 14 volts than not running alternator. good luck 
29762 re leaf spring car gene pull bars and leafs don't work well together as a rule friend of mine uses it is the perinatal winner at local tracks. so they can be made to its just that guys got'em figured out ain't talkin'. 
29763 re erratic ignition timing 97bubba put an extra ground strap from the dist to block and see what that does timing. i am thinking when power demand goes up system is looking for a better than through thecam gear ect. dave 
29764 re erratic ignition timing big bore good ground a must on hei's. did you change hold down clamp chrome or painted ones kill off grounding. dist gear wearing out bit us few years back. cam walk idea to check also. we always run copper block chassis weld lead works min. 8 wire. 
29765 re leaf spring car paul where are the front eyes located in relation to frame rail above below or middle. multi mono springs pointed square. 
29766 re leaf spring car jc go faster lol just kidding 
29767 re leaf spring car jc below frame rail has chrysler multi leafs with sliders in rear 
29770 re leaf spring car dirtrunner i'll tell you what they are doing the right side is floating. so a pull bar must. would putting preload in help 
29771 re leaf spring car dirtrunner oval- my front eye is about 5-6 inches the axle 15 and rear 18-19 i think. so it sounds like too low explain this line thing again lol. 
29772 re erratic ignition timing bill we never had to have the ign.switch off start till installed new module needed try a quick fix see if that was trouble along with upluging tach. when started engine way up there but distributor moved someone told us this is characteristic modules are changed.last week motor screamed we've run without an alternator past 2 seasons and won class championship last years in row i realize running more desireable find it hard believe our problem.all can say pulled track from heat race would go 5500 sound like valves were floating tach bouncing unpluging changing helped great deal still has very high rpm miss seems be coming right bank.would know just what bad does as yet shoot that. 
29773 re leaf spring car oval olds i thought about this again the rear eye isn't included in line. there has to be a drawing somewhere on net. 
29775 re leaf spring car paul front eye should be about 6 1 2 in the see afco's site 
29776 please don't make me use ebay j block ebay. people there never understand what we racers do or a data acq system can for us. okay if 6200 is out of your reach won't someone give 5800 after all it 17 700 tool. i'll even help you analyze car and let take the webinars as many times wish free . i used this actual at brickyard took over half second off professional driver's time. tool will faster doesn't then should not be racing email autoware aol.com below list goodies multi channel beacon w carrying case bogen 3047 high end camera tripod 1 sensor 2 meg memory card download cable commander ii 38-s logger 32 analog channels 5 rpm trigger switch msd style engine 3 axis accelerometer x y z g yaw water temp oil pressure throttle string pot steering 8 travel linear suspension sensors pots 10 wheel speed magnets 4 four junction boxes 14 various length extension cables brake pro above -------------------------- additional items spare mini dash display aero one air tap on slightly damaged 24 dwyer pitot tu mounting hardware rr ir tire individual amplifiers lr rear amplifier rf lf fuel analyzer misc brackets clamps grommets etc. note software included but available depending needs 
29777 re modified suspension cam josh k. anybody else notice the flex in chassis. if you watch upright that panhard bad is mounted on it clearly appears to move when under throttle. hard believe how much rotation there rear never expected them rotate drasticaly. cool video indeed. 
29778 spring rate rcj how much does a full rubber in 1200lbs increase 
29779 re spring rate gene enough that you could install it in a railroad boxcar. if the has 10 coils stuff rubber taking away 1 or i'd guess affect 2 next by 50 . so 160 for coil then 80 adjoining would be 1600 +320 1920 lb spring. want to send me i'll throw my tester and measure you. 
29783 re erratic ignition timing 22racing not sure if anyone mentioned this but what about the mechanical advance system is it locked out i had a brand new dist. that little sliders under weight wasn't secured properly and would hold after run with enough rpm to them. always just ran lock kit set total at 3500 rpm. 
29784 re spring rate 34 is it one of them big black ones like ya get at autozone ...they actualy sell rubbers with different rates... would be impossible to tell how much stiffer will make unless you put the rubber in a checker...depending on amount coils ..the placement also effect more be. 
29785 holley 4412 stockcar37 i'm going from a stock gm carb to and need the filter fitting that screws into you attach fuel line too.has anyone have part number manufactor or name of is there make model factory car has same 
29786 oil filled rotors old man i saw a street stock car gm mid size metric terminator chassis friday night with what appeared to be front they had machined aluminum caps bolted on where the dust cover would normally and fill drain plug. can only assume that are instead of standard grease packed bearing. havent seen them before has anyone else sure appreciate any information about you willing share. thanks 
29787 re oil filled rotors swaybar i've seen this. it's another way to reduce friction. the hubs wheels will spin more freely than they with a grease packed bearing. i haven't tried it - thought of losing an inboard seal and having gear lube spill out that close my tire contact patch bothers me little. 
29788 re oil filled rotors 44dwarf go kart guys have been doing this for years but i'd never on the contact patch would scare me too. 
29789 re oil filled rotors 00joe same here too...i would never use them great idea bad consequences. if you pack and preload yor bearings right there is no problems. my frt tires spin pretty freely i just dont put alot of on the nut enuff to take up freeplay 
29790 re holley 4412 00joe capital motorsports warehouse- cmwraceparts.com part xrp700106. its just a fitting there is no filter you will have to run an aftermarket setup. fram makes one housing with replacable cartridge 
29791 right rear wheel hop on decell rick what causes going into turn only way to slow it down is get back the gas 77 cutlass 800 springs up front race shocks rears 160 rr 200 lr 3400 lb car shaved radial tires maybe not heavy enough shock and radials do you guys run with success 
29794 re holley 4412 dirtinla i searched everywhere... couldn't find one. then low and behold found it sitting on the shelf at autozone in filter section. before that everyone looked me crosseyed when brought carb asking for fitting. don't remember part number just take to look shelf. it's a ford believe or not. if you want use as drill out. good luck - fred 
29795 re oil filled rotors old man anyone know who makes them sells 
29796 re right rear wheel hop on decell pacecar23 is this a stock 4-link suspension if so common problem that difficult to solve without modifying the mounting points. best advice find way reduce brake bias. use more front brake. 
29797 water pump problems john first time on track all 4 bolts in my 602 crate came loose and blew the gasket..put a another pump...lock washers backed off again at end of feature....question..same pulleys alternator as old motor no problems..only diff is fan spacer that inches compared to 2and half inches..would this be making problem... cant figure it out... 
29798 re oil filled rotors swaybar the ones i've seen are homemade. 
29799 re water pump problems dan riley bingo.....sounds like you've solved it yourself. even 2-1 2 is too long at racing rpms. you're asking for trouble with that set-up. one day halfway down the back straight fan will screw itself thru radiator. get yourself a shorter rig and longer radiator shroud. good luck......dan 
29801 re right rear wheel hop on decell mnmale1972 i would look very closely at the frame just infront of wheel. where cross member attaches to hump....usually near down bar your cage. these cars like crack there......if is cracked it will cause severe hop. also try swapping drums from side make sure one isn't out round. 
29803 ford 9 fastguy our class is now allowing the to be installed. i'm currently running a stock 10 bolt in 77 monte carlo so this should good upgrade. we have keep forward mounting points at frame but rear axle can modify. looking for info on how do with 4 link that i don't run into wheel hop problems. any suggestions thanks. 
29804 re oil filled rotors old man the ones i saw were most certainly not home made. 
29805 re oil filled rotors lm15 not sure about 5x5 or metric sized stuff but wide-5's have been around a few years now. winters and joes both make them for sure. i'm others do as well. i wouldn't be surprised if these guys the same thing car. 
29806 re oil filled rotors lm15 there's an article in circle track that uses the winters wide-5 hubs. search their site for wheel hub assembly upgrade - lighten up language filter won't allow me to post link article. 
29807 re right rear wheel hop on decell 00joe dont let up so much that is what i was told when had problem and it worked 
29808 re right rear wheel hop on decell hogracer3d air bubble trapped in a brand new shock dirt car though 
29809 re ford 9 racer_dave other than buying one ready to go my decidedly lo-tech way worked for me. i got the rear and welded lowers mounts axle tubes. made sure block car at ride height. then attached lower trailing arms squared rear. set pinion angle or clamp it so won't move on you. rotated upper meet end wanted. from there fabricated brackets hold bushings. was done. wasn't too hard but does take some time. saved a bunch of 
29811 stagger experience todd i know each car is different....blah blah blah... but...anyone have examples of what they run for size track am running a stock clip pavement on 1 4 bullring track. just looking some other peoples experiences. thanks. 
29812 top link spring rating guest installing loaded and need suggestions on rate. unit comes with 2500 but also have 1600 1000 option. would the softer work better a harder tire to reduce wheel spin i think stiffer be for wider sticky tires any thoughts asphalt 3 car. 
29813 re stagger experience guest too many variables like tire compound type of car but around here 3.5 4 is normally run at a local bullring w 9 hoosiers. 
29816 re stagger experience todd thanks that is what i am looking for....just personal with different cars. 
29817 re stagger experience swaybar 3 with a full spool. 
29818 re stagger experience guest 4 - 4.5 
29819 roll center - fact or fiction j block between the magazines and books this parameter has been blow way out of proportion even to point changing its name. when it comes your front suspension there are priorities much higher than but thing gotten so popular people loosing sight what is important. basically concept 80 year old technology honest started in 1920s that should be traded on a newer model. new wave back 1980 s not popularized. one reason why i race car college. find more give me call 505 890-8708 x 201 sign up for session starting wednesday 27th. info comments from other racers go home page www.auto-ware.com ps. thanks supporting warboard 
29821 re stagger experience peetee don't care...not locked....never measured. 
29822 re stagger experience lm15 here's what we run 2 tracks here and the same actually tends to work at both tracks. one is a 1 4mi 12 bank tight paperclip. other 3 8mi 14 banked track that's almost circle. about in late model 104 wb 65 width 10 tire with spool 2-1 4 detroit locker 1-7 8 gleason style diff. metric chassis 108 62.5 2-3 . that being said i know for fact there are several fast cars all classes running as low high years ago was trailing my rr 7 rear roll center p h bar like 12.5 only ran 1-1 locker. never won feature but timed qualifying times setup. 
29823 re stagger experience todd thanks for the info....it is good to here different ways of tackling same issues. 
29825 re oil filled rotors old man thank you all 
29828 re oil filled rotors 22racing winters 007 
29829 re stagger experience 34 i have always gotten the best results with no stagger..my car has a locker..so most wouldnt be surprised zero stagger...my nephews is street stock mini spool...also ...it amazes me that people will run huge numbers..only to offset it alot of crossweight.. heres what found..stagger makes your one groove car. lossens on throttle...and its at worst time..corner exit... think if would outside box little..they very happy results. 
29830 re right rear wheel hop on decell 34 bad angle as in too much the upper trailing arms..also like was mentioned...ease off gas... 
29832 re right rear wheel hop on decell guest what are the ride heights a stock gm 4 link if run too low will way in. lower arms probably angled down towards front of car. quickest fix is to raise 
29836 help fan belts ja can some-one give me a list of possible reasons why i keep breaking sbc 350 6000 rpm alternator-fan water pump-crank belt ps is separate . multi-groove - had v-belt before but kept them. pulleys appear to be lined up there good way check them the stock with clutch removed- hub welded. it does not vibrate. could too heavy this really getting annoying. thanks. 
29838 re help fan belts dan riley bingo.....you just answered your own question. cause you don't see or hear it vibrate doesn't mean that isn't shaking the snot out of and pulleys. harmonics are a strange thing. get back to basics without any fans spacers if improve. i always say in doubt yourself less spacer more shroud. should be mounted as close pump can it. good luck..........dan 
29839 bilstein shocks dave can someone tell me what the part number means i cant find a conversion chart b460210d found out its 220 120 does that mean compared to 200 180 thanks 
29840 tires mw hello i was looking at does anyone have any good ideas for a treaded tire street stock 
29841 re bilstein shocks ae what type of car how much does it weigh where is the shock going on and i may be able to help you. spring rates are you using that make a differance because stiffer less work in turn softer more has do so good with right valving should faster 
29842 re tires 34 what do your rules state ...is there a min max compound on pavement if like most street stick rules...they want dot tire... goodyear g-2's . firestone fire hawks is competition running 
29843 re help fan belts 34 are they shredding or snapping kind of an odd problem 
29844 re help fan belts 00joe is there any accessories flexing when you rev up the motor i have had that problem and to make additional bracing.. 
29845 re tires ae we have to run a dot tire no made for racing dots low banked ashfault 1 4 mile. it varies out here alot of guys are running the old raggata but they dont make them anymore. some enderos and you got like me what ever i can find thats soft nothing those 
29846 re help fan belts ja you're probably right about the vibration. it could very well be vibrating at high rpm. hub of is only an inch from pulley and blades are belt so i really can't get much closer there. half it's original weight with clutch off but find a lighter one. used to run plastic until got shredded in wreck. thanks for reply 
29847 re help fan belts ja shredding 
29848 re help fan belts ja the only accessory is alternator but i'll see if there's any way i can brace it better. thanks 
29849 found the problem bill in our haste to get car up and running we failed examine module replaced later upon examining that small variable resistor is rev limiter control broke off fell down distributor also one of spade terminals came loose from rivet solder failed.installed other back-up motor runs great won feature last nite.murphys law strikes again thanks for help 
29850 re found the problem 00joe nice find...will do it every time....congrats on win..makes all worth 
29851 re help fan belts dan riley smokey yunick once filmed a new timing chain lit by strobe light. he said it was tight but at rpm whipping around like snake. you never know about harmonics......... 
29852 re bilstein shocks dave im asking how the valveing numbers work on i never ran them before and they offer more then wb pros run now would a shock with softer spring it slows down speeds up wait tranfer so understan thanks 
29853 re help fan belts 97bubba thats why i will run a gear drive when ever the rules allow. had alot of issues over years with chains and variable not by design cam timing. lol dave 
29854 inspecting a fan matt i ran into guy who lost his motor at the top of 3-4 and it took out my radiator. radiator pushed back hit causing engine to shut off. know that broken can pull off water pump. should look for anything in particular when inspect 
29855 re help fan belts matt when i first went through tech they banged me for aluminum pulleys so had to get some cast iron ones. a friend donated an old one which the slightest wobble you could not really see it. threw left and right. time ran feature with alternator belt inside out. it never came off 14 volts whole time. found better pulley have thrown since. 
29856 transmission modulator heloguy vacuum is leaking so i will replace it. problem that all the parts have seen are red stripe or just gold color. mine blue. it special stock. thanks in advance cheers 
29857 re transmission modulator burt brown what type of ransmission gm ford etc. most gms are red strip but it will work because the aftermarket replacements adjustable. even aftermarkets adjustable also. 
29858 re transmission modulator heloguy sorry burt. its a turbo 350 that i run in second gear. was noticing smoke from the exhaust and pulled vacuum line sure enough there tranny fluid. i'd like to replace it but if not needed can just plug off. cheers 
29860 re transmission modulator burt brown if you plug it will have to manual shift it. 
29862 re transmission modulator matt i have a turbo 350 which run in second also. hit right around when the grid pulls out on track. it is nice to keep my hands wheel and not play with shifter. big b m shifter looks like something of ups truck. would replace your vac mod they are under 20. bend up some brake line for vacuum will work perfectly. 
29863 sway bar vs. no rcj when i first started dirt track racing years ago ran a front bar.the only reasoning behind it was trans ams and z28s had them.wouldn't car with lift the l f little more add crosswieght in middle of corner.the softer springs will let rise under accleration raising center gravity transfering weight to rear.i think smaller version bbss setup would work good on smooth track. 
29866 re spring rate rcj i took a 1000lbs put full rubber in it springthane was the name on stiff preload at 100lbs increased 50lbs preloaded to 700lbs 150lbs. 
29867 re howe camaro clip help rcj i'm switching my dirt car to a hollow 1 3 8 sway bar from no bar.i'm at 1200r f 1100l going 600r 500l f.i'm winning races with current set up but i want win all of them 
29869 re tires rick the regattas are available from tirerack.com and walmarts viva is same tire as regatta both of those need to be shaved will bite well a race consistant at end. rick. 
29870 re leaf spring j-bar gene sure you could run one but why would ya keeps the axle and frame tied together by changing pitch can alter side bite. springs hold in also. with mounts lowering blocks arch shackles leafs do same. if both it be very hard to know what adjust make a proper change. install nonfunctional made of bright aluminum that does nothing look impressive just get others talking complaining. 
29872 re howe camaro clip help guest that is pretty stiff for a dirt combo 
29873 re bilstein shocks ae valve number 1-9 1 80 2 120 3 160 3.5 185 4 210 4.5 235 5 260 5.5 290 6 320 6.5 350 7 380 8 500 9 600 when you read the valving numbers first for bilsteins is rebound dampening and second compresion dampining how much weight shock will unload or soak up. so with a lighter spring works harder because it dose not have any assistant in absorbing all of car force track pushing back to speak. 
29874 vapor lock cook i really need help with this my car has a 350 chevy stock heads intake and exhaust. run on tight 3 8 mile track. the runs 200 degrees hot day. cannot duplicate problem at home but after running 30 laps or more out of 100 lap race if they throw caution does not want to idle have keep it above 3000 rpm even there sputters like is lean stop us will bog gas quit restart until sits for 20 min. changed everything diffrent carbs distributors fuel pumps lines exhaust made sure was near line cell totally motor oil pan air cleaner transmission. feels starts acting up floor wakes right up. no foam in plenty cell. performs great top three qualifying every week. 
29875 re vapor lock dan riley the easiest way to confirm vaporlock is put in a full tank of airplane gas. avgas made especially not vaporlock. it won't hurt your engine as many folks like imagine. also blended prevent knocking detination and stabilized so go bad if sits for awhile. alot guys believe race gas when they tell all sorts stories about how their engines. truth it's got an additive package that prevents running problems damage comes octanes over 100 at much less than most fuels. let logic be guide. no engines need produce more power have trouble oil company going product used planes. try you may love it. good luck.........dan 
29876 re vapor lock gene sounds like until you floor it to clean out that flooding. is when liquid gas turns in the carb such a volume unable meter proper air fuel mixture and engine stops because of lack fuel. so cure for remove heat causing problem. quick raise right corner left side blasts hood all hot gets flow away. also rubber sealer strip keeps vapors off windshield prevents from flowing away too. this fix however may cause some aero push on 3 8 mile track i don't know how but we are lucky dan airplane guru here solve sort 
29877 re vapor lock matt what is your motor turning when you stall 
29878 gear ratios matt has anyone had success with a ration milder than 3.73 i run on 5 8 dirt track 14 inch rims. know that 15s would be better but the 14s came car. am still having problems my topend. heads are culprit want to explore before next big change. 
29879 re gear ratios 00joe what are you running for a tranny is it an auto or manual 
29880 re stagger experience chassisdude jesse i'm just curious what is turning the car in middle i know can be all a matter of choice and some times used as crutch to help bad set-up but normally even with gleason or detroit you need little for right turn car... 
29881 --ae-- dave someone told me to try this what do u think all bilstein lf r5c7 rf r4c2 left front and right sound backwards lr r5c4 rr r2c2 i found set of numbers on the internet his springs are almost same as mine 220 120 200 180 230 78 208 72 
29882 air plane fuel vapor lock gene raceny.com discus messages 13 157923.html 1243512925 its about 
29883 re air plane fuel vapor lock dan riley thanks gene i've blown engines on vp race and run well avgas. there are two distinct types. 130 octane 100ll low-lead . i was runnimg 10.5 compression so bought the to be safe plus have my distributors set-up a sun machine. never had any problems with it. last engine blew five years ago. using fried all pistons. temps were normal it running pretty till lost power retired for evening. live about half hour from mobil refinery r d center. we used take our students field trips. asked few gasoline engineers before bottom line is you what works your engine. lower grade of gas use more can squeeze out each ounce fuel. only need packages because boost get higher rpm or faster response. look box study diesels dragsters figure what's going those different fuels. ya know i'm just glad still own enough freedom in this country go races when want to. that may coming an end soon but now it's racing season..........good luck.........dan 
29884 re gear ratios 00joe i forgot to add that your final drive should be around 5.17 give or take 
29885 re gear ratios dirtrunner i ran my motor around 6700 rpm or so on a 1 2 mile dirt track with high bank 3200 lb car that had 529 15 inch tires. 
29886 re vapor lock 97bubba stock cast intake exhaust crossovers blocked off egr pasagges what kind of carb gasket and how thick it is an insulator. last but not least does have adaptor spacer material that made the answer in one these or a place to start. good luck dave 
29887 you're right gene glad you took my post as it was intended i also agree on your comment about lucky to still have tracks race on. our society is in for one giant change that we common people will pay dearly. btw dan if given a choice i'd rather run car propane. 
29888 re vapor lock cook hey guys thanks for all the help to answer questions stock gm aluminum intake with no modifications heat crossovers are blocked off egr is removed a block plate installed q-jet spacer and replacement gasket. car only acts up after 30 lap run or more then brought back idle. if it caution i let my foot gas clutch in will stall push keep at 2500-3000 ok but anything less than that feel like running out of have pumping when comes over 2500 life. agian your help. 
29889 re stagger experience 34 howdy i guess would rather turn the car with front end...than have rear end do it .... 
29890 re gear ratios matt i have a turbo 350 running in second 1.52. started with 2.73s and that was sad to watch on the track. upgraded 3.42s for final drive of 5.19. rule went run high 4s low 5s final. one racer trust took it step further. he advised me do 4 14 inch rims 5 15 rims. thought going steep by doing 5.19 my usually pass guys right at end straight rarely turn exit or first 100 feet off turn. would rather win play defense straight. time can set up really should be choosing lane 
29891 re gear ratios matt i can't crack 6000. a lot of smart people say it is because my 58cc heads. want to explore every possibility before tearing the heads off. 
29892 re vapor lock gene i'm guessing you are not at 100 if the hood deal won't cure it put a heat insulating gasket under carb. summit sells them for about 12 bucks. their number is 1 800 230-3030 
29894 suspension webinar reminder j block howdy several of you wanted a when the june class was running. it will be this wednesday 3rd 8pm eastern - 7 central 6 mountain 5 pacific. email or call me to get log in information. thanks john 
29895 re you're right dan riley gene now that would be cool...er. my boss wants me to build a diesel pace car used at the new jersey motorsports park. go figure. i told her ok if she pays for it and get credit using bio-diesel make in classroom. think friend. when bills come due we're going have hyper inflation. means 8- 10 gallon street gas 6 milk. 5 loaf of bread you idea. glad i'm rent controled situation. fear there will no more racing our level after this administration is done raping us. let's all race we can watch between days. bring out as many friends family every chance enjoy season its fullest. way tell younger folks about how was people around who've been seen us stories along with life america we've known soon thing past thanks government. while can. wish very happy healthy season. enjoy...... ps hey where info on comverting s-10 propane 
29896 re vapor lock dan riley i was just going to suggest at least a 1 spacer. many tracks allow up 2 use plastic or make one out of wood. no kidding don't metal. it sounds like you're boiling the gas in bowl low rpm and still runs high because using enough hot fuel so that cooler is constantly entering higher rpm. that's sort lock. good luck with it......dan 
29897 re gear ratios dan riley we run a 5 8 mile track using high with 5.13 rear. have no problen breaking 6000rpm. i think it's because of the size and condition. you really can only compare your self to other cars running same are. interesting but foolish for us our yours since all under different conditions. great info get from here is just guide line in most cases good wishes are real honest. yourself some fun out there........dan 
29898 re gear ratios matt dan i have a fun time every saturday night. some guys at my track flirt with 7000 turn. the good thing is that am relatively fast without wearing out motor. this rate could probably go 100 races before needing rebuild. thanks 
29901 re gear ratios guest if they are the 305 58cc gm head done about 5800. 
29902 re gear ratios matt i think am living proof of the limitations a 58cc head. have heard stories guys in division up from me running these heads and pushing 7200-7300. people at track will tell you all kinds things. 
29903 re you're right matt dan i envision a future where refined petrofuels are niche item only used by racers. in the meantime let ranks of true stock classes swell. 
29904 to all - where else do you go j block i ve been looking around for some ideas improve the site here. while out there noticed familiar names. so obviously get more than do. please let me know other places and what like dislike we can make old war board better. will have trick editor use ww-w or htt-p etc it ding naughty language sorry but if don't limit those things nothing post every por-n . thanks janitor 
29905 re to all - where else do you go 00joe ww w.jeff-pearl.com w.thechromehorn.com w.modseriesscene.com w.speed51.com 
29906 58 cc heads kenneth i ran a set on 377 in my purestock. also used the factory aluminum 305 intake. could turn 6700 no problem. it might have gone more but was always out of track or balls by that point. 
29908 re 58 cc heads big bore bigger chamber gm stock 350 will make more power than 58cc 305 heads. if you are getting 6700 rpm with that head and making have something most don't. those flow the worst of any head. compression increase won't up small port issue. 
29909 re 58 cc heads kenneth i tend to agree with you and so does everyone else talked to. did it just because said wouldn't work. for me did. i'd build that same motor again anyday as was definetly a horse. maybe had the exact right combination of parts work may be majic who knows. 
29910 re to all - where else do you go 44dwarf grassrootsmotorsports. flatheadpower. dwarfcarracing. newenglanddirtbikes. and some times 4m.net but rare now that oners changed they get highjacked offten now... 
29914 to all - where else do you go gene racestud. com forums index.php s 2908f23ccf7738c3ef2755e149fcf65e act idx supersprints. .ismasupers. .pitgate. forum i put a space in front of trick security 
29915 re to all - where else do you go dirtinla the dirt forum dom com and 4m dot net 
29916 re to all - where else do you go dirtinla one more good hotrodders dot com 
29917 rochester 2 bbl newbee007 i have a hobby stock and run the barrel. after 12 lap feature ended up with couple quarts of fuel in oil. any ideas why thanks 
29918 re rochester 2 bbl rich walling fuel pump diaphram broke. 
29919 re stagger experience richardpetey we run a high banked 1 3 mile paper clip and our feature is always at night. through trial error have found starting with little 4 to 2 inch reverse helps the cars loose off condition. as race goes on track gets tighter right side tires heat up help loosen car in closing laps. 
29920 cross wait dave im thinking about tring less just to fine other ways make car faster we run 55.5 that matchs are left side i want try 50. match rear so here my what would you do tighten it back up this is 3300pound street stock on pavement 1 stager 2 springs soft heaveyer wheel 3 shocks 4 sway bar 5 could use more heat in lf and rr 
29921 lost reverse newman racing i am running a 700r4 street stock on very short dirt track. locked the into 1st gear by eliminating govener gear. is loss of result bypassing what can check or replace to get back have ran few races without but just worried may not be able myself out bad situation. my 17 year old son also drives car sometimes and has hard time remembering park in pit ready for quick escape. 
29922 re lost reverse burt brown there are a few things that it could be the reaction shell broke out in center burnt up clutches broken revere side of piston damaged or blown seals. if you ground corn comb teeth on govenor to leave right and spacing i would have say this is not wahy no reverse. best way tell remove pan tcc switch get when pulling pump. sure your self purchase 700-r4 4l60 cheap paper back instruction manual. 
29923 re lost reverse burt brown here i go again on a circle track message board 
29924 re lost reverse dan riley listen i'm really not wise guy but why are you using a 700r4 on track that small trans has alot of potential for your hauler use powerglide the better choice in mho. good luck......dan 
29925 re lost reverse burt brown dan i agree just learned not to ask. anytime have recommended a powerglide most people keep getting the same answer they are legal at our track .burt 
29926 trailing arms on third link bbss setup jp working with this new we keep having same issue going during practice and warmups car is just slightly loose apex off. now here comes the problem race conditions keeps between being to tight not point driver can't drive but enough be pain. tire temps are coming up pretty good. i'm thinking were arm issues our traditional ran 2left 5right 6thirdmember degrees. all research says run these angles. you foks have anythought 
29927 re lost reverse kenneth it might also be what he has available. the deep gears in 700 or 200 beneficial. no wise guy here either just sayin'. 
29928 re trailing arms on third link bbss setup richard 23 try 3 degrees left and 1 degree right. your right rear shouldn't be squating much is likely over center pulling the lr forward under squat. 
29929 re lost reverse newman racing i am running a 700r4 because my powerglide took crap burt you walked me step by through the pg rebuild and gave great deal on parts back in 1999. ran that trans for almost 10 years. while were biz selling built pg's time to help out this guy have never met deepest respect you. thank again own small biz. funds are weak is short. dropped it was only working had left. 3 th350's all need rebuilt. gear ratio woke up car. fastest qualifer first night several since. rpm range sweetest spot 
29935 re lost reverse dan riley i can sure relate to run what you have racin'. hey at least one tranny left best of luck with it........dan 
29936 re 58 cc heads dan riley you're not supposed to crash push your car up alongside the other guy and lean on him assuming he's outside . we call it using ther as a berm. lol i can't say i've never done but don't really try drive that way. consider set of cheapie 882's you'll like them. best luck you.........dan 
29937 re lost reverse burt brown i can under stand the lack of funds. we only do maybe 1 3 business use to. this economy sucks where is all bail out money for middle class american people and small business. wouldn't even give myself a bonus if received stimulis or grand from our government to help my 
29938 re 58 cc heads matt dan last week i saw someone do that to a buddy of mine exiting 2 while was entering 1. huge section the wall came down causing long red. it looked me like he got stuffed. anyway 882s where did those get used 
29939 re 58 cc heads matt i have never degreed a cam. is it hard 
29940 re 58 cc heads degree cam 44dwarf .iskycams. com degreeing.php best write up i've ever seen as it explains all before telling you how. 
29941 re 58 cc heads degree cam matt it is funny you should mention that because i run an isky installed straight up. will take a look at the article. would feel better to watch someone do least once. 
29942 re 58 cc heads degree cam 44dwarf matt. where are you from what track do race at i'm sure someone on the baord is local to and might help show how. 44 
29943 squaring car - right side tires todd when you all square up your rear end and line the tires....what is method reason i ask because there are so many ways to interpret lining tires. do contact patches by measuring bottom sidewall of tire measure at hub height any other it rf camber plays tricks with those am just trying get feedback on how some it. thanks. 
29944 re squaring car - right side tires 44dwarf i keep a carpenters chalk line without the added in tool box. hook end to body panel behind rear wheel and run it at hub height over tire go front height. move pan hard bar heims get walls inline. calk is nice cause you wind up string not tangled mess that takes time just flip out handle re-wind it. 44 
29945 re 58 cc heads degree cam matt i live in lower new york state and race at lebanon valley speedway. am close to several experienced racers who can show me when the time comes. wrote gain some insight into process addition these friends of mine. have owned many hondas over years done all my own work since high school. japanese build a powertrain so never properly learned engine work. know how do suspension brakes pull motors trannies they finally go. thanks for your interest real help each other out. 
29946 h pipe matt my team partner wants to put in an pipe. we have dual exhaust which runs and exits separately. me pipes only help when the two banks run into one tailpipe. does anyone any ideas 
29947 serious pinch j block okay guys i can wait no longer i've got to have an operation this friday and raise some cash. you seen my posts here try sell data system now i'm in a pinch. totally loosing shirt but won't somebody give me 4900 for the thing call with offer 505-890-8708 x201 
29948 re h pipe swaybar pipes will almost always help a dual exhaust system without any time of crossover pipe. even better would be y the proper dimensions for motor. 
29949 re 58 cc heads dan riley 882's were found on late 70's 350-400 engines especially trucks. they aren't high compression but flow a ton. i always have them milled .010 -.020 and use the very thin factory steel head gaskets with just light coat of aluminum paint for sealer. come 1.94 2.02 valves. do occasionally crack around exhaust valves are cheap to buy easy use. don't drive intentions leaning anyone we wide track fast long 3 4 mile outside sometimes enter corners across. at times you any choice lean... ours is clay bridgeport speedway in new jersey. one thing admire driver who can bump me speed spin out corner finesse. i've been spun without ever feeling from behind. only knew was because buddy watched behind as rubbed. never hard feelings against drivers little rubbing clean most time. course am fun. life way too important take racing so serious put it ahead other things like family paying bills or emotional health. it's thrill competition not pressure win. oh also hear comments how well built my car when i'm tech sitting pits. remember gang if having fun need re-evaluate your program. best luck everyone here board.........dan 
29950 re serious pinch dirtrunner hi john one of the tracks i race at is owned by a school. e-mailed them and told about your data acq. they have 4 cars run track. try e-mailing yourself. ww w.limaland.com 
29951 re squaring car - right side tires dirtrunner i take mine to work and use the alignment machine. camber plays a small roll put back zero them string. 
29952 re new gear jeremy if i pay for and bearings u want to put it together or have someone do guy who did my tranny will 200 
29953 re serious pinch lm15 i really wish had the finances to buy it myself right now. i'll mention car owner. we've been talking about how beneficial a data acq system would be but his business is slow and i'm struggling just get my 40hr week in. have you listed on ebay racing junk also best of luck with everything john. god bless 
29954 re squaring car - right side tires lm15 i put a 90 laser on the rr hub and measure to faces at spindle height. do this with front end full dive bump stops . is an asphalt super late. also set my camber so have fair amount of consistency. 
29955 re h pipe 34 yup...agree with the last post ...an h-pipe will give you more ..and add to your torque curve... a 2 into 1 system is by far best...and put merge collector as close exhaust manifolds headers possible. 
29956 re h pipe matt my understanding is that the should be no further than one third total distance of system. thanks for thoughts. 
29957 re serious pinch j block have not done ebay yet but maybe soon. i would rather sell it to a racer that understands the incredible impact. on some buzzard will take appart and pieces for more. 
29962 valve train dennis smith i have a 355in chevy and just changed the springs then measured for pushrod length got diffrent readings on intake exhaust. put straight edge across one bank of ends they were not even. is this normal or do you think bad job like to far into seat probably talking 30 thou. dif. some them 6000rpm max rollers 450 lift thanks in advanced 
29963 re swaybar summer street stock tried that already. 
29964 re 58 cc heads degree cam jam remove timing cover find tdc. i always use a three key crank gear where you have choice of straight up advanced or retard. the dot on should be lined with mark pull push rods and chain off rotate so it now lines reinstall. instead going thru these steps can also buy offset bushings that fit onto camshaft stud don't know what call little thingy more choices how much to advance aftermarket bushings. it's probably good idea check piston valve clearance afterwards but never do. just do down here in redneck land actually bet search internet pictures stuff it... 
29965 re valve train dennis smith please omit the question got it figured out just frustrated first time builder. thanks 
29971 re h pipe matt thanks for the suggestion i will take a look at diagram. just picked up some ramhorns so have big job getting them to fit into 81 camaro front clip. after that project should feel easy. 
29972 re to all - where else do you go matt j block i think this site is great. simple beautiful. it like comparing a purestock fancy new car that runs terribly despite lot of technology. 
29973 re 58 cc heads degree cam matt jam i appreciate your well-written instructions on how to a cam. get nervous the first time do anything and want it right so not need learn expensive way. thanks. 
29974 re h pipe matt 22racing i found a diagram called 2 into 1 exhaust systems is that the one you are talking about 
29975 re 58 cc heads degree cam dirtrunner he is telling you how to advance a not cam. if don't have dial indicator and wheel are guessing. maybe the wrong 
29976 re 58 cc heads degree cam dan riley first you have to find tdc. need a wheel and something use as piston stop the from coming all way up top. this on net with search engine you'll probably get diagrams install make pointer out of piece coat hanger. record reading top against stop. would be good time set zero. now turn crank backward until is again tight at degrees showing wheel. let's say two stops are 26 apart. just s figure i picked air. zero your then other till you've moved it 13 half distance between right left. that should go there. it's also check harmonic for tdc accuracy. dial indicator lifter. usually measured .050 lift following maker's recomendations can timing. before start easier if book about read it. bookstore free to. over understand take notes. even after doing dozens times still directions freshen my memory note cheapie notebook spec's info parts numbers brands etc.. keep log junk or sell engine. our brains poor books. best luck it......dan 
29978 rear spring and shock angle dennis smith does anyone have any info on what the of should be from vertical asphalt imca type mod 1 3 mile 12 degree banking link set up. steve says 15 is that close or old tech it matter much. thanks in advance 
29979 re rear spring and shock angle richard 23 10 degrees is what i use as a rule of thumb 
29980 re 58 cc heads degree cam matt he does mention the offset bushings that is where adjustment right wheel part what scares me. 
29981 re rear spring and shock angle 44dwarf the less better. as increases rate dift from there speced rates it adds loads of side load on panhard rod. if is vertical has 200lbs inch axle travel 2 inches 400lbs but its angled might be 175 for first 325 second inch. note i didn't put in calculation machine 44 
29982 re 58 cc heads degree cam 44dwarf matt. try this jegs.com i comp+cams 249 4796 10002 -1 - comp cams kit and accessories it has everything you need a video too 
29983 re rear spring and shock angle alan i believe on portcity race cars it's 5 the left 8 right. straighter better u know it can go in deeper . 
29984 re 58 cc heads degree cam matt cool thanks. 
29986 power steering question john went with aftermarket setup this year on my street stock...sweet powering pump 12-1 box....stiff to turn alot harder then the stock setup...even tryed a diff sweet pump...same result...could it be box itself valving problem.. thanks 
29987 re power steering question gene not to be a smart but did you reverse the lines 
29988 re rear spring and shock angle dennis smith thanks for the info guys your rite alan lol 
29989 re rear spring and shock angle rich walling anything less than 15 degrees. 
29990 re power steering question john i did ya...they are on right.... 
29991 re h pipe 22racing sorry for the delay i don't get a chance to on computer every day yes was just echoing 34's comment about 2 into 1 being best system. diagram you found is one talkng about. there are written instructions as well can download 
29992 fwd on dirt kenneth 91 hyundai excel 1 4 mile slightly banked clay. absolutely no mods to car allowed completely begineer class. how do you drive these cars i raced bombers pure stock very similiar imca hobbystock for a couple of years but never fwd. air pressure settings 
29993 re h pipe matt 22 thanks again for your thougts. we already have a plan in place to copy their design with our own found cheap or free parts. i see different exhaust setup every car look at. like most teams rushed through the project because by then were so drained building rollcage. working on much less designing custom configuration is rigorous that people live setups. intend earn some horsepower and better running motor this approach. 
29994 re power steering question 00joe i would imagine that its kinda like a clutch master slave combo. one can only push accept so much fluid. check to see if the have recommended pump box combo 
29995 spring rates matt is it safe to change the front springs without changing rears also 
29996 re spring rates todd sure. what are you trying to accomplish on kind of car 
29997 re spring rates lm15 is it safe yes. what are you trying to accomplish make sure reset your ride-heights and cross weight after change. it's usually easiest change 1 the height for that corner then repeat process other spring. 
29998 question locked rear end but no stagger bandit our rules allow a we can not run different size tires. i have played with tires and only come up 1 2 inches of still be legal need more. tried to unlocked get much wheel spin off the corner competitive. anyone any ideas 
29999 re spring rates matt i have an 81 camaro which is tight on entry and loose exit. it seems to me that am oversprung. want put a softer in the right front as well springs rear. do not time for rear leaf job nor try remove leaf. faster simply install new up hope better turn entry. current setup lf 1100 rf 1300 lr 200 rr mistakenly bought these rate my 3040 pound will probably perform with set of springs. crossweight percentages need use scales at track get idea. what cross weight percentage you guys recommend light steeply banked 1 2 mile dirt thanks your responses. 
30000 ignition modules matt i know nothing about modules. need to run a delco hei. wonder if this classification has some different part numbers that have operating characteristics. should bother myself with or just be happy my legal module 
30001 re question locked rear end but no stagger 34 dirt ..pavement ... having to run is a myth ...i dont any ..havent for years.. whats the handleing problem 
30002 re ignition modules 34 there are plenty of after market available..accel pertronix msd..etc ...all offer more fire power than the oem stuff .. msd horse shoe is a nice piece...and well worth ... if tech checks your distributor often and you want stock appearing but with high performance...dui makes something for you... 
30003 re question locked rear end but no stagger alan hey bandit try adjusting your cross weight to complement stager. rember adjustments are a trade off. you have give and take get package. 
30004 re spring rates 34 it's more than safe ..it's how you tune your car... swapping front springs will accomplish exactly what are trying to accomplish...try it ..then come back and thank me. 
30005 re ignition modules matt they are all over the module every week. i know about stealth and am sure a few guys at my track have them. don't money for product you mention was trying to figure out if different from various years applications could be more competitive or do want avoid certain apps because rev limiters 
30006 re spring rates matt you got it 
30007 re question locked rear end but no stagger bandit it's asphalt 3 8ths 80 firebird street stock type class. it pushes. i have reduced the wedge enough to where loose getting in still pushes under throttle. 
30017 re question locked rear end but no stagger 97bubba unlock the and put biggest tire on left soften rf spring 50 s or so more shock compression lf. just some ideas. reverse works well you might be suprised at how many guy's do this even when they can lock get stagger. dave 
30029 re rf tie rod angle richard 23 x2 more caster will do it 
30030 re power steering assist adjustment matt do you have any different size pulleys to mount on your p s pump 
30033 re power steering assist adjustment gene the z box off a jeep is i've used for years without problem. i'm assuming you just put it on as replacement and need lots more effort to turn wheel compared other box. 1 with wheels of ground can lock no bind or crunchy feeling if so okay probably low pump pressure 2 different ratio than 3 may be bad never seen one that looked but wouldn't work. let us know what ya find. 
30035 re shorter tie rods alan maybe you could accidently apply some heat and it be bent in the direction want. now smart repaint brace some. 
30036 re question locked rear end but no stagger alan if you are racing on asphault and probably this will work dirt---put a stronger spring the right rear. i promise it work. 
30037 re power steering assist adjustment ted yes seals on the original pump went bad tried to rebuild not so successfull. put a box it that was slower but same type feel. got this ratio as just lot more effort required. odd thing is bench could be spun by hand other 2 not. i expecting much easier box. all items have been checked for binds etc nothing found. only think of servo portion in needs adjusting stuck something. doesn't seem getting got. besides z what boxes are comparable had run since 89 and can't remember came off of. thanks help. 
30038 re rf tie rod angle ted on pinto type spindles in stead of moving the inner we heat and mover outer. 
30039 re rf tie rod angle 97bubba taller lower ball joint more caster are about the only ways without moving stuff. dave 
30040 re power steering assist adjustment gene ted can you e-mail me xsteele wcnet.org remove the x i have a new z box if you'd like to try it. 
30042  for 34 dave you said dont run any stager can u tell us what kind of car and track do have to very little cross springs the reason im asking is i just change my setup went from 56cross 50cross 3in 1in also changed shocks we had rain outs havnt yet thanks 
30043 re for 34 hello dave... i run a 3 8 asphault track with 7 degrees of banking in the turns...this late model stock front clip 3link rear...my cross weight is 51 my nephew runs on same street stock..metric monte..all suspension...he also no rear stagger.. 705 american racers ..his just under 52 .. 650lb lf 500lb rf 250lb lr 125lb rr he has mini spool start there ..then adjust your cross. +5 deg caster both right and left side... this will almost eliminate dreaded apex push that these cars are known ...you may have some shake at about 45 mph...but it disapears 50-55 mph faster. we found use stagger makes car able to any groove ... try out ...feel free ask questions ya want. 
30044 re for 34 dave thanks im going to save that page and ask alot of lol i run a paved 30deg bank track with chevelle street stock we 1200 1500 front springs 275 200 rear what are your shocks trailing arm angels or any tricks nephew likes do the never really messed just so you no were not new racing have many wins old setup but there 4 car 2 3 tens faster now then us all camaros got keep tring thing cant seem get my even thou it was well balanced time 
30045 re for 34 i sent you an email to the addy listed on your profile. 
30046 re for 34 dave got it 
30047 web book dave racingsecrets.com street_stock_racing.shtml has anyone read this is it worth thanks 
30048 camaro master cylinder nick odell just curious if anyone knows which port is for the front brakes. i may have it backwards but am not sure. thanks your help. 
30049 re camaro master cylinder swaybar the port into largest reservoir is for front brakes - usually toward of m c 
30050 re camaro master cylinder dave i get a better pedal when switch the lines 
30051 re camaro master cylinder nick odell i have the front line on rear and front. think is bypassing internally. could never get a good pedal. new one coming though. thanks for replys. 
30053 re camaro master cylinder 44dwarf rear port on the goes to front brakes. it's small overall bore due push rod volume for other port. this gives you most psi's 44 
30054 re camaro master cylinder nick odell i thought was right just wasn't sure though. thanks guys 
30055 re camaro master cylinder swaybar 44 i'm not sure i follow what you're saying. the bore in a stock m c is same for front and rear brakes. reservoir has more reserve fluid volume because of larger needed to operate as you can tell sticking by my setup - port 
30056 re camaro master cylinder rich walling it just so happens that i broke a rear brake line on my 78 suburban. the chamber closest to radiator front was one affected. don't believe more fluid is required move pads. pads only about .015 total of an inch where as drums have because spring pressure retracting shoes. in case suburban both chambers are same. 
30057 re camaro master cylinder lucifer aka. lou i found swapped lines on cars even from experienced builders. one used car recently bought was plumbed wrong. the seller went out of his way to mention that brake pedal had always felt a little spongy him... yikes ports bled thing and like magic we brakes. my gave me fits time also. built myself raced it for two seasons broke track record before parking it. been sitting while sank under pressure when next obviously bypassing master... manual rebuilts were sleeved with lifetime guarantee zoners. liked idea stainless sleeve plus core charge cheaper than new. because they special order only have spare shelf. installed couldn't bleed save life. very fluid volume or pressure. kept messing thinking air trapped in but wouldn't take up at all. still better feel old so lost brakes after few laps front totally cooked. must put gallon through stupid finally pulling off putting second rebuilt then same happened... race fabricated are notorious bubbles high spots. you really fast get enough if want all out. another is bench car. don't you'll play hell trying couple quarts without improvement warrantied both cylinders thats how problem. disassembled masters look obvious defects intermediate pistons tiny radial holes thought suspicious see what replacements would like. already turned original as nothing compare to. sure opened fresh solid piston inside those holes. once part right great just magic... incorrectly again. told partsman problem suggested he contact rebuilder advise them guy didn't write down him doubt got back rebuilder. suppose sooner later having mass returns number some bright individual might wonder why getting parts back... came maybe figured themselves. lessons learned... now disassemble inspect any hang onto cores bit until replacement working correctly. trust not new ones work 
30058 re camaro master cylinder pacecar i knew swaybar was cheatin'. he has his hooked up backwards... reminds me of the day when installed my 68 trunk lid upside down to create spoiler effect.. 
30059 re ignition modules lucifer aka. lou use the pertronix performance module and peel sticker off. stock replacement coil. our track has a no msd ignitions rule. originally it was meant to exclude multiple spark discharge hei part viewed blessed by tech when first installed. how long do you think took before techs changed some new pup with brown for brains re-interpreted wrongly. so after having been battle being dq'd twice explaining them brand only one event original rule blessing from past etc. they re-re-interpreted mean circuit board . what laugh maybe they've never opened module. obviously couldn't understand simple principle that an of any type is just on off switch. simply higher amp its insurance have heavy duty high quality in race car. this making look like dufusses were re-re-re-interpreted i pulled out smog exemption showing legal re-re-re-re-interpreted perfomance ok totally spite openly telling going finally switched peeled put my tool box all see. black housing different features other than absence gm number. next time rolled through made big deal about looking at cap told racing inside dared publicly prove stock. even invited over verify had sticker... but declined saying believed me that. conceded looks can run it. 
30061 re camaro master cylinder dirtrunner the bigger reservoir is for disc brakes on front drum to reservoirs are same. you only need after pads wear and piston move out more hence needing fluid in caliper. 
30062 venture trans lines ja sorry for the non-racing post but i have a 2001 chevy that has both transmission cooler and power steering return line leaking. dealer wants just under 1000 to replace them vehicle is hardly worth that. 252 50 fittings 192 ps found one at rockauto.com 20.79 320 labor about 140 in taxes. also would be couldn't spend on racing so we can't can someone tell me if are low pressure or high i'm thinking of cutting out leaking areas replacing with rubber hose. there one-way valve steel ball brass seat fitting coming trans. this critical like put without mess it up van only get through summer. once again post. thanks 
30063 re venture trans lines 44dwarf cooling are med presure but extremly hot oil. never use feul line it will not last a day. they sell oil cooler ruber its about 6 foot. better off to buy roll of steel tubing and double flare tool an do right once. 
30064 re camaro master cylinder 44dwarf yes bore diameter of both port are the same however rear has a portion fluid face use as push rod for front thus volume is smaller. if you calculated square inches active surface area part will have smaller even with od. running lines swaped might help your brake balance but its not oem. 
30065 re camaro master cylinder nick odell well either way i got the new master. bench bleed and install tomorrow see what happens. is that rich walling of illinois....grundy illiana 
30066 re camaro master cylinder nick odell this is a quick take up type off of an 84 that im using on metric car. the way cage fabbed i can't use stock monte master. 
30067 re camaro master cylinder swaybar it's not cheating pacecar....but either way i can tell you i'm changing it lol 
30068 re spring rates swaybar sorry for the delay in replying matt. i started watching dang master cylinder thread and got thoroughly confused myself. lol it sounds like you're running on a well prepped smooth dirt track have zero experience actually tuning car. seems most racers run without sway bar but if was you can bet i'd one. my guess is that din't notice much of change because were very light with heavy springs. to answer at least part your question bigger stiffer more roll resistance car will front. effect changing anything else tigher throughout corner. preload left side by shortening end link add cross weight pull chassis down further tighten hope this helps 
30069 re venture trans lines burt brown no biggy. i you do not want to content yourself with hard the radiator for transmission would be much better off running trans-cooler into radiator. purchase a cheap external cooler hook your small leaving out of all together. we this alot same reason mention how many times have seen or heard about anti-freeze water it from faulty power steering can repaired way. bend couple feet tubing replace cooler. one does need anything fancy. 
30070  of the day 97bubba ok we are really good in race but car sucks qualifying. just can't seem to get 2 laps right out box. feature is enough that won last week. about 4 tenths off fast time qualifying run near faster than . what do you qualifyers your for i have 25 lap now need find a go with it. losing many points thanks all thoughts. dave 
30071 re ignition modules matt lucifer thanks for your thorough response. i can tell you have been racing a long time. 
30072 toe in or out matt we are just getting started with adjusting our toe. have no experience. i observed a guy at the track using two plates on his tires and measuring tape measure. want to do same thing. it seemed as if he was running an 1 8 toe-out type of car gen2 camaro . asked said run between 0 4 what you think how should go about doing this 
30073 re spring rates matt thanks brother. 
30074 re spring rates matt swaybar let me put the new in and i will you know how it goes. thanks for taking time to write. 
30075 re of the day lm15 there's lots little things you can do to car but biggest improvements will likely come from driver. it's very difficult run fast lap times on cold tires without any other cars down . driver needs get rid thoughts that qualifying is hard and have total confidence he sail it off into corner harder than normal stick bottom nail gas sooner normal. as for itself consider how behaves during a longer run. if start loose tight reaching neutral handling point someplace mid-run then you'll want tighten up slightly so reach right away. just an example. tire pressures seem be mystery some people. at short local tracks i like look back my practice notes. where drove best note hot pressures. i'll sides about 2psi lower lefts 1-1.5psi lower. ex came in 18lf 29rf 19lr 29rr. 17lf 27rf 18lr 27rr. this way build their optimum operating pressure. aside taping nose does make difference long don't overheat engine. try cool cooling system much possible before qualifying. intake carb area possible. heat oil near temperature. rear end fluid transmission. really fancy keep 5gal fuel ice trailer drain out replace with your goes track. depends carried away get. weekly shows all going bigger asa type races go out. i've qualified p1 late model many doing nothing more adjusting nose. also tell myself floor not lift 'til back. lol 
30076 re toe in or out swaybar 1 8 is a good starting point most of the time. it helps to know bump steer characteristics your car so you if tends during bump. that will give some direction about where go from point. 
30077 re of the day dan riley and dump a five gallon pail ice cubes on intake just before you go out. but honestly most it is in driver's head. have to learn your way .around without anyone else being there show even when we run first place other cars as visual mental aide. it's alot for brain handle alone out doing well. drivers tendency do little r d find new faster line we're there. hand another look at like this. maybe car really slower than others timed event qualifying. driver that much better traffic others. things think about huh. good luck...........dan 
30078 re toe in or out richard 23 bump steer and ackerman will affect the static settings on a car that can be massaged. for stock steering component gen 2 camaro at say about 5 ride height set it 3 16 go race. 
30079 re toe in or out rcj i don't use the plates because a slight bend wheel could give you bad reading.i put sharpie marker against tire and then spin it to mark around tire.1 8 is what start more makes car responseive add help push on turn entry. 
30080 temp reading john just checking to see if my water gauge was working last night.....the sensor is in the intake....had a guy with gun shoot spot on intake where goes in...it read 200 car 220....are guns accurate doing that way so then off 20 degrees right thanks 
30081 re temp reading 44dwarf well yes and no... what color is the manifold it needs to be a flat black smooth right on temp. some nicer guns have settable emissivity but you know number set gun to. 44 
30082 re ignition modules matt lucifer i spent some time going over your response again. when first read through my buddy and were so amused by the sticker on toolbox part that did not think everything completely. we also gaining ground a twelve pack . am impressed with level of understanding parts. now know racer can approach tech from different angles. he fool them be good little indian or try to make his case based right wrong reasoning. enters battle wits engineering expertise tech. sometimes you are even right. thanks again 
30083 re toe in or out matt swaybar how do i check my bump steer using common household tools 
30084 re toe in or out matt richard i really should know this one but here goes anyway how and where do check for ride heights 
30085 re toe in or out matt rcj i will keep the bent-rim consideration mind. thanks 
30086 re temp reading 34 i'm a havcr guy ..i use those things daily the guns ..there general item ..and not even close to being as accurate your sending unit on guage panel...the gun only measures surface temp. sensor is measuring water there are alot of variables that will give bad readings...like was mentioned ..the material..if its dirty..shinny..etc. worst radiant heat coming off motor..any light source effect it. i have seen more than one person them for taking tire temps ..ha 
30087 re toe in or out 34 1 8th is the status quo.. if your worried about bent wheels..turn wheels a 2 turn and measure it again..toe plates tape meaures are pretty cheap...and critical set up tool. 
30088 re toe in or out dave i made a home gauge that measure the inside of tires had electrician bend havey wall pipe 1in smaller then cut ends for center tire hight welded to nuts so could put threaded rod thru them when one side on and ajust just touch other move bar front see how much have 1 8 gap means run anywhere from 0 make sure your link is centerd frame take lowers off bolt holes tie mark line up checking if its frist time doing it string left with marks lined rf some people like good luck 
30089 re toe in or out swaybar the overall scheme of what you'll spend on racing one season a bump steer gauge is not very expensive investment and well worth it. you can make your own with some magnetic laser levelers steel plates. might try google search for ideas. 
30090 rear wheel hop rick i am still having on decelleration in my pure stock 76 cutlass it is running a shock and cant run race shock. maybe too soft of spring 125 180 left 3450 car control arms are close to level lowers any suggestions 
30091 re rear wheel hop richard 23 you need a stiffer shock. try truck back in the day one guy at my track put 2 shocks on each side and it made huge difference. he finally got caught when totalled his car. 
30092 eagle i beam rods guest anybody running eagle's 5140 will they hold up in 7000 rpm 12-1 motor on 1 4 mile pavement track 
30093 re eagle i beam rods swaybar i've had good luck with them in a 11 1 2bbl motor running 7000. 
30094 re toe in or out dirtinla when setting by using the board and tape method... if you have 84.25 on back 85.5 your front that is 1 4 of toe... do divide 2 so 8 - fred 
30095 re eagle i beam rods richard 23 they will probably hold up for a while but if you don't already have them would buy something else. 
30096 re toe in or out richard 23 no you don't divide by 2. it is the total out. 
30097 re of the day 97bubba thanks for thoughts. driver has raced many years in modifieds. he tried alot stuff to get our car qualify well and is not having any success. his last year qualified says that best ever driven at track we race just can't it good. looking ideas but some reason i am getting many. dave 
30098 re eagle i beam rods dirtrunner 6700 rpm for 5 years never changed rod bolts either. 
30099 re rear wheel hop 00joe either you got a bad shock or are letting off the throttle to much. what shocks do run style track is it. spring package any hits that may have tweaked frame 
30100 re eagle i beam rods racer_dave use them too. i'm 12.5 to one and have turned over 7000 for three years on them. using of their forged cranks it was a kit from midwest motorports. all the dimensions were spot bearing wear has been perfect. don't any complaints. ran motor in my sportsman car 2900lbs 3 8 mile paved tracks seasons still 
30101 re toe in or out lucifer aka. lou to minimize error from bent rims raise the car and spin each front wheel on chassis check for largest run wobble . mark tires with some tire crayon chalk. turn so that point is up down then set back ground. do this both sides toe. you will have roll forth a bit unload any bind use grease plates. get very close... 
30106 re toe in or out matt i will do that thanks 
30107 re of the day matt pay close attention to old lucifer he understands this stuff. 
30108 re toe in or out matt excellent thoughts as always. 
30109 re toe in or out matt dirtinla richard23 swaybar rcj lucifer i really appreciate all the great tactics you guys shared with me. this is my first experience setting up front end and it helps to have someone hold hand. take pride a well-built well-running purestock. hopefully can get thing go faster. thanks 
30110 re of the day rcj your driver may be looking for a certain feel during qualifing.when he gets that know car will good in race.we set our up so track comes to. 
30112 re rear wheel hop rick we have to use stock in purestock 
30113 disc front drum rear newbee007 any ideas how to get more brake and less when running with stock gm master cylinder on dirt thanks 
30114 news information j block howdy just in case you can't find the info need here on war board i finished adding over 50 pages of setup engine tips and other stuff to reference library section company home page go www.auto-ware.com techref lib_index.htm see these goodies. also hope add about another 108 materials by end july. john 
30115 re disc front drum rear matt try installing steel braided in the with rubber hoses up front. will expand a little under pressure and exert less braking those lines. it may not be much but should provide some legal cheap bias. 
30116 re temp reading matt remove the radiator cap and stick a thermometer into water. 
30117 mini spool summer street stock pulled apart 10 bolt chevy rear end to replace bent axle. found the was about let go due excessive axle play. put new in and comapred with old both are 28 1 2 26 spline. problem is i have play on each when install spline blocks if futher pin still get 4 side . this appears be way too much shim. any ideas 
30118 re disc front drum rear dave for a cheap fix you could drill hole between the two resovoirs. 
30119 re rear wheel hop dave i use shocks for an impala police car on a like yours and they work well. you can find heavier stock just have to look through the parts catalogs. 
30120 re 4-link racer_dave the wedge adjustments will not affect your angles per se but ride height for sure. also make sure when you measure that are using correct stagger and tire sizes as those impact too. get it down to with right tires let us see new numbers have checked rear steer check if off introduce a lot of axle into it. getting lower arms closer level is certainly going help. i'd leave some angle in uppers. good pinion angle. normally should increase or stay even suspension compresses. aren't letting lessen springs compress. 
30121 re news information gene boy john i can only guess that you are bed ridden with nothing else to do after your medical deal. take care buddy 
30122 shock rebuilds - recommendations todd anybody have suggestions on who to rebuild some shocks. they are nothing fancy just pro and carerra straight valved steel bodied i new ones order would like the old for spares. any idea cost thanks. 
30123 re disc front drum rear dirtrunner cut some of the shoe off and put a shut valve on lines under car to lessen pressure rear. 
30124 re camaro master cylinder rich walling yes i'm the one. 
30125 re camaro master cylinder rich walling are you related to dan 
30126 re toe in or out lucifer aka. lou yes absolutely right. i noticed an interesting thing happened when we were setting the on lake car at el mirage. roll back and it would give a different reading than rolling forward. found some slop lower a-arm inner pivot corrected but still tendency is there... 
30132 re mini spool matt i would think a paved track will beat up rear faster than dirt but maybe am wrong. having hard time visualizing the problem. have 8.5 10 bolt with also. had to bang one of c-clips in hammer get it fit. very little end play axle installed. thing can say is that lot these mail order places like speedway and capital buy parts from china. not saying good or bad quality consistent. chinese felt when was working it. you right 
30140 re camaro master cylinder rich walling i thought that was you. remember you when were just a little tyke. your dad and had some great times talking racing. he also helped me to get started. where in virginia are 
30141 re camaro master cylinder nick odell stationed at oceana in virginia beach.